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You're confusing genres. |
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(like, 'alternative' back in the day included Jane's, Sonic Youth, Nirvana, Pumpkins, etc. Then, they started calling all the bands from Seattle 'grunge' in order to capitalize on the fad you alluded to...) |
Wasnt grunge originally just the Seattle bands? Then later you had bands like Bush who were basically ripping off that sound...then there was the big alternative movement in the mid 90s......which became mainstream, so it wasnt really alternative anymore.
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Those bands are the major precursors to the Nirvana/Smashing Pumpkins/Soundgarden wave of the early 90's - FNM really deserves a TON of credit for getting the first 'alternative' video into heavy rotation onto Mtv ('Epic') and then Jane's came with 'Been Caught Stealing', and 'alternative' was the new catchphrase. Nirvana going to number 1 was the moment it all changed... And yes, by 1994 you had the Bushs and Green Days and Candleboxes and Collective Souls and whatnot, that capitalized on the supposed 'grunge' sound...but imitators are most always pale shadows of the originals... They still pump it out, though - Godsmack, Nickleback, Chevelle, etc.; lots of bands now try to carry that 'grunge' torch...and it all sounds the same. Like the same producers use the same plug-ins and the bands patch the same tracks into their live rigs... Hey hey...my my... |
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"Grunge" was also a marketing tool used by the promotions departments at record labels. Before that term, no one knew how to categorize those Seattle bands. I spoke to the head of AIC's promotions department in 1990 and they had no idea as to how to market them. They started out as a "college alternative" band, even though they were touring with Extreme. |
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Green Day had more in common musically with Nirvana than they did with Black Flag or GG Allin. Calling Green Day 'punk' is like calling Sonny & Cher 'psychedelic' - you CAN, technically, but... And yes, I know you're 'in the industry' and that you know Rob Cavallo. Good for you. Personally, I'd be torn if Rob C. wanted to produce my band's record; on the one hand, people in the industry would pay attention and it's a great way toget heard and put on tours. On the other hand, it would probably sound like it was produced by Rob Cavallo... |
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Warner Brothers marketed them to alternative radio as a punk band. They were a Berkeley Punk band. In January 1994, BAM Magazine, which was hugely influential, named Dookie as best album of the year. GD had absolutely nothing to do with the Seattle movement, which was nearly dead at that point, anyway. Quote:
And if Rob wanted to produce your band (which would never happen, anyway), you'd be fool to pass up that kind of opportunity. |
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The kids LAUGHED at the term. I remember when DOD came out woth the 'Grunge pedal' for guitar. A $200 pedal, designed to make your gear sound like cheap dogshit. And the flannel + Doc Martens were for the 'mall kids' and the jet set. I had hand-me-downs and shit from Wal-Mart. The 'grunge fashion line' was readily available at Wally-World...but they didn't call it 'grunge.' I remember watching AIC debut with Man In The Box...on the Sat they debuted it on Headbanger's Ball, and on the Sunday they ran it on 120 Min... I know this because I watched both shows - I even recorded the headbanger's ball episode that had AIC onto VHS. Butthole Surfers, Danzig, and Mötorghead were on that episode, too. Old times were good times. |
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Guns 'N' Roses wasn't pushed at all, initially. Geffen felt that Rock City Angels (which at one point featured Johnny Depp on guitar) was the "IT" band, not GNR. "Appetite" cost $90k to record and until they broke through via touring, there was very little promotional money spent on them. Furthermore, Geffen knew that market was "available" or they wouldn't have hired Butch Vig to transform Nirvana's sound, put money into their video, etc. Plus, Geffen had the reputation of being on the cutting edge in regards to new bands and sounds, so radio stations had no issue playing their releases. |
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You appear to know just enough to think that you know more than you do. EVERYONE, every stinkin' producer that's producing, uses the same plugins, including UA, Waves, McDsp, Lexicon or Melodyne, etc. Any producer that's working has everything in their arsenal. And using backing tracks is nothing new. Bands have been doing it for decades. The overwhelming majority of people go to see a "show", not to critique whether or not the guitarist played the solo note-for-note or the drummer didn't lose a beat or time. |
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Candlebox wasn't pushed as part of the 'grunge/Seattle scene' either, but experienced huge commericial success in the 'post-grunge era', if that makes sense to you. Quote:
I've been fully immersed in music all my life. No, I don't have all the experience and stories about rock stars that you have...but that doesn't mean that you should completely disregard me. Yeah we're obviously not commercial enough or 'cute' enough for Rob Cavallo. Don't have the right sound. Probably 'too raw' - maybe don't even play good enough. Surely don't write good enough songs. What do you think, Mr. McCloud?? Is it even worthwhile, ir should some dumb young **** from the middle of MO hang up my spurs and get a job at the chicken farm?? |
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But hey, you were in the know in '86 when Zutaut brought them to Geffen, I'm sure you were at the first meeting. |
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Ever. Hell, I'd love a drummer that's good enough to roll without a click... |
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20 years ago, there was no internet. There was no way for me, a kid in Kansas, to communicate directly with people in Hollywood that worked in music business. There were no mentors in KC because quite frankly, pretty much no one had a career and cover bands were king. That's not the music business. So, I had to pack up, move to a shit apartment in Hollywood, learn the business, network, grow my skills, etc. and so on. I would have killed to have had a mentor but I had to learn everything the hard way, although I met a shit ton of people along the way that did help shape my career. The bottom line is that snide remarks only make you appear to be an egotistical know-it-all jackass. And that's a combination that won't likely get you far in this business. |
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