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Ace Gunner 10-03-2012 11:01 AM

During 2010, Cassel had what this whole team had -- a leader in Todd Haley & three very good coords to pressure each squad into weekly focus & execution.

What we see now, is what this team really is. Losers. Fumbling, bumbling losers.

When the new staff arrives, there will be changes that will startle fans.

suzzer99 10-03-2012 11:04 AM

With Weis at OC and Crennel at DC, I think we could've put Donald Duck at head coach and been fine. It really sucks that Haley is apparently such irascible douche that he ran Weis off and the whole thing unraveled.

suzzer99 10-03-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by boogblaster (Post 8972788)
2010 was a fluke ... carry on ....

Apparently 2010 was Cassel's version of Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers in a playoff game where they go like 32 for 35 with five touchdowns and zero punts. He was playing at his absolute ceiling.

BoneKrusher 10-03-2012 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 8973129)
During 2010, Cassel had what this whole team had -- a leader in Todd Haley & three very good coords to pressure each squad into weekly focus & execution.

What we see now, is what this team really is. Losers. Fumbling, bumbling losers.

When the new staff arrives, there will be changes that will startle fans.

whatever it takes.
i just dont wanna see anyone get a free pass like Cassel got with Pissholi.

mcaj22 10-03-2012 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 8973138)
With Weis at OC and Crennel at DC, I think we could've put Donald Duck at head coach and been fine. It really sucks that Haley is apparently such irascible douche that he ran Weis off and the whole thing unraveled.

egos like Weis and Crennel never should have been brought in the first place (hindsight 20/20)

thats Pioli's fault bringing in all his Pats tree buddies and smothering Haley with a bunch of egos versus Haleys own ego

it is very clear now after almost a decade+ that Weis and Crennel cannot ****ing coach their way out of a paper bag, Pioli cannot GM worth a shit and Todd Haley is insane.

Todd Haley is at least finding success elsewhere, the other 3 are done and are a bunch of proven losers without Tom Brady

bevischief 10-03-2012 11:14 AM

Because his Depends don't fit as snugly as they did in 2010. He sucks and always will.

DaneMcCloud 10-03-2012 11:18 AM

He sucked in 2010, it's just that Charles was so good that it hid his inadequacies to most people.

When it mattered, like in the Texans game, he shit himself. When it mattered, like in the Baltimore game, he shit himself. This was all pointed out by a few people during that season.

Ahem.

tooge 10-03-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8973183)
He sucked in 2010, it's just that Charles was so good that it hid his inadequacies to most people.

When it mattered, like in the Texans game, he shit himself. When it mattered, like in the Baltimore game, he shit himself. This was all pointed out by a few people during that season.

Ahem.

Pretty much. When you have a killer running game, you can dink and dunk your way through shitty defenses. The stats looked great, but the actual play didn't. Sort of like Peyton Manning right now. Big stats dinking and dunking his way through a really crappy defense. Shits bed otherwise.

cdcox 10-03-2012 11:25 AM

I'm a stat guy, but I'm going to say ignore the stats and look at his fundamentals. They were always weak. And for that reason, I was never on the Cassel bandwagon, even in 2010.

Garcia Bronco 10-03-2012 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8972591)
Now, I think we can all agree that while not great, he was at least serviceable in 2010, even decent in spurts. What did Weis/Haley do that got better production out of him? Most importantly, he didn’t turn the ball over nearly as much. What was their secret and what is different now?

Two things: Weis is a an excellent QB coach
Second: With the absence of good coaching and an upgraded lifestyle...Matt isn't trying hard enough or working smart enough.

Hammock Parties 10-03-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 8973229)
Two things: Weis is a an excellent QB coach
Second: With the absence of good coaching and an upgraded lifestyle...Matt isn't trying hard enough or working smart enough.

Not true. He hit the flash cards hard this offseason. He worked with a pitching coach trying to improve his release.

He did this shit with other QBs.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_as...07602_melt.jpg

He tried hard to suck badly.

mcaj22 10-03-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8973271)
Not true. He hit the flash cards hard this offseason. He worked with a pitching coach trying to improve his release.

He did this shit with other QBs.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_as...07602_melt.jpg

He tried hard to suck badly.


there are some nice steamy turd QBs in that picture

BoneKrusher 10-03-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8973271)
Not true. He hit the flash cards hard this offseason. He worked with a pitching coach trying to improve his release.

He did this shit with other QBs.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_as...07602_melt.jpg

He tried hard to suck badly.

looks like they're getting held up at gunpoint in a dark alley. :D

Cannibal 10-03-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8972668)
I think Weis/Haley did a good job of protecting him. I think its been reported/mentioned that Weis dumbed down the system and worked on his mechanics as best he could. Basically got as much out of him as he possibly could. I do remember his mechanics and his throws seemed to be stronger in 2010.

I remember when Weis was brought in, he said "the first thing I have to do is 'fix' the quarterback".

His "fix" was to throw short passes and run the ball on obvious passing downs. It actually worked pretty well because it masked Cassel's weaknesses and Weis was a good play caller.

Hammock Parties 10-03-2012 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8973183)
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When it mattered, like in the Texans game, he shit himself.

http://i56.tinypic.com/23uwnex.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2r5su9u.jpg


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