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milkman

01-13-2013 07:59 PM

I think Andrew Luck's rookie season was overhyped because of the draft hype.

That team didn't pay a tough schedule and he threw a ton of picks and he only completed 54% of his passes.

Both RGIII and Russel Wilson had better seasons.

Hootie

01-13-2013 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9315865)

How big is the gap between aaron rodgers and Kaepernick? Going into last night, I'd say a huge one. But Kaepernick looked really good, and he has the best quarterback mind coaching him. He's going to be really, really good.

I'm not the guy who thinks you need a body of work to be considered the current best. I said the Packers Super Bowl year and the next year Rodgers was the most talented QB I had ever seen in my entire life.

I think I'm still taking Rodgers by a considerable margin because he is more traditional and makes passes that no one in the world can make.

I think he needs to work on taking less sacks. I don't think that is on his offensive line, I think it is on him. People always talk about Cutler having a terrible line in Chicago but I disagree. I think a QB can make a line look a whole lot better, or worse (like Cutler) than it really is.

If Kaepernick QB'd the Packers last night and Rodgers the 49ers, I still would have picked the 49ers to win. I thought the defense the 49ers have (FAST) presented a HUGE matchup problem for Rodgers.

I think Rodgers is on an elite level and he can carry a team to a championship with little help. I'm not sure I'm ready to elevate Kaepernick there yet BUT he's really, really close.

I mean, you can't defend a guy who is accurate with the deep ball, can throw it a mile and 100 MPH, and can run like Cam freaking Newton...and generally has made the smart decision 9 times out of 10. (and has a QB friendly head coach to help along the way)

Deberg_1990

01-13-2013 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9315840)

How did he get passed on so many times?

It's has been discussed many times already, but the 1st few rounds of the draft especially the first round are all about measurables. It's because for the most part, most of the hits do fit into a certain measurable. It's all about playing the odds, but yes, every now and then a player will rise above his perceived ability. For every Wilson, Brady or Montana, there are about a thousand who fail.

Hootie

01-13-2013 08:02 PM

all I know is Kaepernick and Wilson make me sad because I want my very own one of those

thinking Geno doesn't have that speed, am I right?

Prison Bitch

01-13-2013 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9315857)

like I said, I'm omitting Brady and Manning from all future lists, but here are my 2013 QB power rankings in terms of who I'd want running my team for ONE season.

1. Russel Wilson
2. Aaron Rodgers
GAP
3. Colin Kaepernick
GAP
4. Drew Brees
5. Andrew Luck
6. Eli Manning
7. RGIII
8. Matt Ryan
9. Cam Newton
10. GSIII (of course!!!)

Lol at taking him over Rodgers

Hootie

01-13-2013 08:04 PM

you know that's fine and dandy and I'm the last mother ****er on this board that goes "oh man we should have taken Gronk!" when he was taken a few picks after McCluster because it's so unrealistic...

but we had Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn...we needed a god damn QB. I'm fine not reaching and taking the 4th best QB prospect where we took Poe if he wasn't rated high...

but we have no excuse for not drafting a QB...and to think by the time we should have drafted one the guy would have, or at least should have been Wilson sickens me

tredadda

01-13-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9315688)

Fixed it.

^ This X100000. Wilson would have been a Top 5 pick had he been 6' 3" instead of 5' 11".

Hootie

01-13-2013 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9315899)

Lol at taking him over Rodgers

I love me some Aaron Rodgers.

if he fixes the 'holds the ball' too long problem, I'd take him #1 in a heart beat

what I saw today out of Russel Wilson?

I don't think anyone on this planet is capable of that.

like

I'm head over heels.

Hootie

01-13-2013 08:07 PM

well at the very least this should change how scouts think

they said the same shit about Brandon Flowers and he turned out to be quite the 2nd round steal

tk13	01-13-2013 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9315791)

There isn't even a comparison between Wilson and what Roethlisberger and Sanchez did as rookies, even if both won games and a lot of them. Wilson was also asked to win games and did it. He threw far fewer interceptions and more touchdowns than Luck, had a higher YPA, completion percentage (by 10 points), and he didn't have the benefit of a galvanizing force like ChuckStrong behind him.

Indy was a mirage. The debate is over how much of that credit you give to Luck as opposed to aberrational factors. If you look at FBO, for example, Indy is not only the worst 11-5 team in like 20 years, they were worse than any 10-6 team over the same time span. That suggests a team that was significantly worse than their record. Their Pythagorean W-L was 7-9. They were outscored by opponents. They got destroyed by the Jets and lost at home to Jacksonville. They barely beat the Chiefs.

Keep in mind that teams that often outperform Pythag often crater the next year. The 2011 and 2012 Chiefs are examples of that.

That's not to say that Luck is not an exceptional QB prospect. However, I think his team's BABIP this year was about .410. I realize that a counterargument could be made that Luck's late-game ability helped elevate the team, and I think there is some merit to it, but if i were a gambling man I would POUND Indy's under next year.

I completely agree with all this, and I guess you weren't around... but you could find posts where I make several of these points over the last month or so. They might have been one of the worst playoff teams of any record of all time.

But they still made it. Part of it was the lack of decent teams of the AFC. But part of it is having a QB who played well under pressure for the most part. They are not a good team, but Luck carried them to 11-5. I think that actually aids my point.

If you gave Luck a top 5 running back and defense, he may have been good enough to get to a Super Bowl THIS year. He is a robot put on this earth to play QB.

Cephalic Trauma

01-13-2013 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9315893)

I'm not the guy who thinks you need a body of work to be considered the current best. I said the Packers Super Bowl year and the next year Rodgers was the most talented QB I had ever seen in my entire life.

I think I'm still taking Rodgers by a considerable margin because he is more traditional and makes passes that no one in the world can make.

I think he needs to work on taking less sacks. I don't think that is on his offensive line, I think it is on him. People always talk about Cutler having a terrible line in Chicago but I disagree. I think a QB can make a line look a whole lot better, or worse (like Cutler) than it really is.

If Kaepernick QB'd the Packers last night and Rodgers the 49ers, I still would have picked the 49ers to win. I thought the defense the 49ers have (FAST) presented a HUGE matchup problem for Rodgers.

I think Rodgers is on an elite level and he can carry a team to a championship with little help. I'm not sure I'm ready to elevate Kaepernick there yet BUT he's really, really close.

I mean, you can't defend a guy who is accurate with the deep ball, can throw it a mile and 100 MPH, and can run like Cam freaking Newton...and generally has made the smart decision 9 times out of 10. (and has a QB friendly head coach to help along the way)

I agree with pretty much everything you said. The first bolded paragraph is spot on, especially because aaron is really, really good. The reason I think Kaepernick is close is because he's making a huge difference now and he hasn't even started a full season. Couple his athletic ability with his composure, where he is at currently, and most importantly having Harbaugh, and you have one hell of a future QB.

And the second bolded paragraph played into my point well, so I bolded that too:thumb:

Deberg_1990

01-13-2013 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks (Post 9315900)

Well, this is why Pioli is out of a job.

Hootie

01-13-2013 08:09 PM

I think the only thing I would have liked to see out of Wilson today, and this is nitpicking, is buying a bit more time on that hail mary to give his receivers a fighting chance.

Cephalic Trauma

01-13-2013 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9315899)

Lol at taking him over Rodgers

Did you see what russell wilson did today with most would consider inferior talent?

I would take the packers' supporting cast over what russell wilson has to work with.

I think its a fair point, though I don't exactly agree.

Hootie

01-13-2013 08:11 PM

I was pretty sold on Kaepernick after the Bears game. I don't really believe you can be THAT good and it be a fluke.

Sanchez would have "good" games statistically but they never passed the eye test for me. Same with Cassel (obviously)

and another guy who doesn't pass the eye test to me, at all, is Ryan Tannehill.

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