Jets exploring trade options for Revis?
 

Jets owner Woody Johnson to explore trading Darrelle Revis
By Jason La Canfora | CBS Sports NFL Insider
January 23, 2013 7:28 pm ET

The New York Jets, fresh off an exhaustive hunt for new general manager John Idzik, will explore options to deal star corner Darrelle Revis this offseason, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

Revis, whose contract voids after the 2014 season, is set to earn $6 million in 2013 (between salary and bonuses), and owner Woody Johnson has strong reservations about the ability to extend Revis's deal, the sources said. Johnson has expressed his desire to attempt to land value for Revis now, rather than risk losing him as an unrestricted free agent a year from now, most likely seeking as much draft-pick compensation for him as possible.

The Jets are very much in transition mode, they have cap issues moving forward and are trying to embark on a rebuilding processafter firing former long-time general manager Mike Tannenbaum. Revis, who missed almost all of last season after suffering a torn ACL, engaged in a long holdout in 2010 that resulted in a contract extension that was more of a Band-Aid than anything else.

Revis signed a seven-year deal then that voids to a four-year pact, thus making him an unrestricted free agent after the 2013 season. The deal also precludes him being hit with the franchise tag or any other such mechanism. Johnson has made it very clear he would like to pursue a means to reap rewards for Revis now, sources said, and it is likely to be an immediate part of Idzik's initial job duties.

Revis is considered by many to be the best defensive player in the game. And with pass rusher Mario Williams earning$60 million guaranteedfrom Buffalo a year ago, Johnson understands how financially restrictive it would be to retain him. His team desperately needs young, cheap, impact players to help reposition the team for the future, with 2013 a year of transition.

Revis is the only real trading chip that he has. Knee injury or not, there would be no shortage of teams interested in securing his services and no shortage of rebuilding teams sitting on massive cap space in 2013. The Jets are also likely to be hard-pressed to retain free agents like tight end Dustin Keller, running back Shonn Greene and defensive tackle Mike DeVito, though they will make a push to retain DeVito, the sources said.

Getting Revis signed to an extension would be a possibility to trying to remedy this situation, but the sources said Johnson has established his desire to move him if he can secure fair value in exchange.

Dealing Revis would incur a $9 million cap hit due to some option-bonus prorations involved in the contract -- thus Revis would count an additional $3 million against the cap than he is currently scheduled to -- but the Jets could navigate that relatively easily according to sources familiar with their cap situation, via a restructuring or by releasing a veteran. The team is using 2013 as a year for cap and budgetary housecleaning, to get situated for the future. It stands to reason that come 2014, both Revis and head coach Rex Ryan, are gone.


Any interest?

#1 overall for Revis?

Nah.

I would not give up draft picks for him. They can use a QB say a Matt Cassell & throw in Brady Quinn deal done.

Not really
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Holy shit. La Confora is losing some weight.

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Branden Albert?

Honestly, with us keeping Emmitt Thomas on staff and with us moving to a more attacking defense, I'd rather us spend the pick on a Corner in the draft. If the Jets would take our third and Revis is healthy and would sign a reasonable extension, I'd do that...but otherwise I'd just go get our own kid.

Maybe I'd do something like our second for Revis and a couple kid rounders.

Someone will pay dearly for him...

Rather it not be us, although he is amazing.

I don't think he's fast enough to be a corner
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Reid already picked the best CB in Assamoah. Not sure how he liked that.

LOLWUT?


And they wonder why we neg rep these n00bs.

Paging Daniel Snyder....

:spock:

If he could be had for a 3rd? Yeah, for sure.

If he's healthy, I'd send out second for him. The guy is a legit shutdown half the field corner.

28yrs old (in football terms)
Coming off acl repair
Would be on a 1 year deal and will be looking for the largest contract ever for a cb.
Would require premium compensation in a trade.

I'd love to have him, but I'm not sure about all the costs involved being worth it.

It just sucks that ***** let Carr walk because he didn't want to hurt Flowers feelings...these conversations shouldn't even be taking place.

I just don't view ACL's the same. I think he'll be fine, injury wise.


And he probably deserves the contract he is gonna get, dudes a great cover CB.

You would have the best CB tandem in the league, IMO. Flowers and Revis? Sure. If he's not worth it, who is?

Let me ask this, would you be getting an equal talent if you draft a CB in the second round?

The Broncos will make a run at him after Chump Bailey got smoked.

YES. LET US TRADE A PLAYER THAT WE DO NOT HAVE UNDER CONTRACT LOL

I'd trade our 2nd + some later picks or some other player for him.

What?


And wtf is football terms?

^ This

Hell, he tore up his knee in October. He'll be fine by the time the opener rolls around.

That was my first thought as well.

Exactly, who wouldnt want a player like him... but it will be a "the moon & stars" situation.

I'd give up our 2 rounder this year, maybe a 2 or 3 next year.

I have no doubts that he will return to be a good player, but the question is how good?...he will want ELITE money, not "really good".

John Dorsey has been able to identify top notch corners in GB in the mid rounds.

I'd rather have a "Tramon Williams" for 10 years at a lower cap rate than a lesser version of Revis for 4, at the largest contract for a corner...especially when you factor in Emmitt Thomas.

He is a diva. Every year he wants to renegotiate his contract. He is good and all but is also a distraction.

I wouldn't give up what someone else would. And for an organization whose leadership has publicly stated that you build through the draft, you aren't going to give up picks for a CB coming off ACL. Or any CB. You trust your scouts to find the right guy and draft him.

Why would he not return to be elite? In this day and age, guys are coming back to be just as good with a new ACL as they were before.


And to be honest, I don't give a **** about the "cap". It can be manipulated either way to make room for guys. Also, it's not my money, so ****ing spend it.

So I'll take the best CB in the league, and draft one later on who can be developed by Emmit Thomas. Hell, you can get a top CB in next years class if you want.

Pioli slipped during an interview (I'm not gonna dig it up, just trust me) and mentioned that he let Carr walk because he didn't want Flowers to feel "one upped" by Carr getting a larger contract than him. Silly, I know...but the truth.

"In football terms" meaning we would be trading for a player that is currently 27, but would be 28 by the time the 2013 season starts.

Dorsey also went out and got Charles Woodson, so it's possible. I wouldn't be mad as long as we don't move our first rounder.

And who gives a damn if he wants elite money. If he's an elite player, I'd probably want elite money too.


The guy is 28 or will be when the season starts. 3 or 4 years of elite play from Revis, youve got time to find your next CB.

He's one year older than Brandon Carr. BFD.

Well, no they can't have the first rounder.


But CB is a huge need. So if you gave a 2nd this year and a 2nd or 3rd next year, you'd be filling a need with BPA so to speak. Yeah, he'd cost more.

Do Not Want. Revis won't be the same next year. Can't think of an elite CB that ever came off ACL reconstruction surgery and continued being an elite corner right afterwards.

Especially if you are taking a CB in the 2nd this year, I'd really think about it.


Hell if they would go for it, I'd call the Jets the day after the draft and offer them picks from next years draft. LOL.

Same with RB right?


:rolleyes:

As others have mentioned, his age has to factor in at least a little. Given the cost, trade for him wouldn't be worth it unless you sign him to a long-term contract. Considering his talent, it would probably be at least 4 or 5 years long, meaning that you're stuck with an expensive corner for at least a few years after he has potentially passed his prime.

Regarding "not giving a **** about the cap", I think you're oversimplifying the idea of moving money and players around. Signing a guy like Revis to an expensive-long term contract doesn't just mean "moving some guys around"; it could mean not resigning someone like Albert or Bowe, or missing out on a highly sought-after free agent.

I agree with those saying that he's a good player and will probably play well for whatever team he's on next year, but I just don't think that it's worth what is sure to be a very, very high cost.

Another factor into this is that Sutton comes from the Jets...

Corner's have to backpeddle and twist more than RB's.

You mean like the unquestioned best CB in the NFL?


Length of contracts aren't as important, it's all about guaranteed money. We've paid top dollar to shitstains like Cassel and Jackson, yet some of you aren't ok with paying top dollar for hte best CB in the league?

The ACL is all about cutting ability. Which it seems RB's do the most of.


Therefor, if a RB can come back like Charles, AP, etc, I'm really not worried about Revis.

I'm not saying in year 2 after the surgery that Revis could'nt return to form, i just don't think he will next year.

Unless you trade him and sign a friendly extension at the same time, what's the point? In effect we would trade a second rounder for one year of Revis on a rebuilding team and the right to negotiate for a year.

The guy is obviously going to go to whoever pays him the most, so either wait a year and open up the pocketbook (and devote $140 million to CBs) or let someone else trade assets for him.

It's the type of deal fans love and that gets GMs fired: short-sighted band-aids.

You mean the guy who isn't a free agent?

Also, you can't possibly believe that a player like Revis would agree to a contract that didn't include large sums of guaranteed money.

Where is the 140 million coming from?

$60 million for Flowers+the other trash on the roster+$80 million for Revis.

Well, yeah obviously he would want alot. So pay him.


And he'll be a free agent next year, then would you pay for him?

He WAS the best corner in football, 2 years ago.

Here's another factor...under Crennel we played RCB/LCB and didn't move guys around to shadow top receivers while the Jets did.

We get Revis, he gets the top guy and Flowers would almost always get the #2 WR.

That's a big factor when you figure in the quality of our potential as a disruptive front 7.

It also violates a pretty good de facto rule: Unless the guy is a QB, don't give him a third contract.

Well, you aren't likely to end up paying him all that money. Depending on what you guaranteed him, you could front end the money.

Well, yeah. But technically this is his 3rd deal, but he's still 27

Cassel for Revis! We'll even throw in Quinn! :titus:

If we could get him for the first pick in the third round, I'd jump on that...trading our second rounder would be worth it if he agrees to sign.

This.

It just isnt a good idea for this team, if we were a top corner away from contending it'd be a different story.

Draft honey badger

Team him up with our puff puff pass rush

Profit

This is where I fall. You can also make the argument that players of Revis' talent are a fit anywhere, but for a team that has a ton of holes, giving up the opportunity for cheap, cost-controlled young players for a player probably at the tail end of his prime pulls us in two separate directions.

I'm also assuming he's gonna stay in his prime until he's 32,33. Probably won't, but if that were the case, I'd be more inclined.

Cue my usual "Cornerbacks don't win titles" rant. I don't feel like typing it anymore.

In reality, they can help... but teams that shoot their wad on CB never win. Although I know I've enjoyed watching Brandon Carr in the playoffs the last couple weeks.

Say we do trade for Revis. What are the odds he actually signs in KC for anything less than the biggest contract he'd get?

What are the odds he would not take KC's offer of the biggest contract if he were in New York, Dallas, or Tampa?

He'll go where the money is, IMO. Therefore unless one year of Revis> 4-5 of a #65 pick and the surplus money from not paying for that year, you don't make the trade.

I don't see how that equation points to us trading for him, unless for some reason the guy likes holding out for reasons other than money.

I get that, and I grudgingly probably agree, but he would upgrade a hole, significantly.


And on defense, I'm not exactly sure the holes are ones that need to be filled with high draft picks. A core of Revis, Flowers, Berry, Tamba (who's on the tail end), DJ (also tail end), Poe, Berry, and Houston, you could potentially fill in the rest with "role" guys.

And to be quite honest, alot of this from me is coming from the fact that we've have "cap hits, cost fits can't spend for this guy etc" shoved down our throat by Pioli , then he turns around and spends on Jackson and Cassel, that I don't give a damn about the cap.

I also think it might be possible to give up less, draft pick wise, for him than we might think. If the Jets know they aren't re signing the guy, they might be a little more willing to dump him.

I wouldn't touch Revis, especially with the #34 overall.

Let some big market team like the Giants or Redskins or Philly overpay for his services.

Even if you planned on taking a CB wiht that pick anyway?


Is it because of the injury? Age? Price?




P.S / picked up that book you told me about, currently reading. Almost finished with it, hoping it works out.

I've always thought it's a good idea to trade with teams that are historically awful and ask for draft picks in return.

A sneaky awesome trade:

Our first round pick in 2014 for Revis and the Jets' first in 2015.

The Jets pretty much always suck, and I'd bet on that pick being top 10.

Not sure if serious here?

If you are, yeah, would sound pretty good.

Depending on what pick we had.

Yeah, I'd rather have a 22 year old with no injury issues over a 28 year old with recent ACL replacement looking for a huge contract.

IMO, he's a one year rental. He'll likely be 29 by the time he's fully recovered and at that age, other health issues become a concern.

IMO, he's not a good investment for the Chiefs.

I bet they would take Charles for Revis like the Donks took Champ for Portis. If Revis had never been injured, I would really consider it. The Donks came out awesome in that trade and shut down corners are hard to find.

I would give a draft pick for him IF they really just want to unload his contract for a 4th or something close. Kind of like the 7th the Falcons gave for Samuel. Someone else would probably offer more but, I don't think they'll get a first for him coming off an injury.

On a side note, I just read the Pack might cut Charles Woodson because he is due $10 million this year. He would be nice at FS for a couple of years...

Before I read anything other than the title of the thread, let me just say this.

NO!

If they turn that down, we can do better and offer them McCluster.

Right, BlackSpongeWoodbozochuckPantsBob?

When you say "right" what are you referring to? I'm not being a smartass man. I question whether you actually read my post. I gave some examples of similar trades from the past, the Jets need to unload some money, and I was very frugal about what I would give.

Where are you coming from man?

Especially when almost everyone 'feels their way' through the first season after the injury.

Revis will be decent in 2013, IMO - but he won't be completely back until 2014 and by then he'll be nearing his 30s and starting to decline.

Revis is a great player, no question. But with the health risks, financial commitment and inevitable decline, he's just not a terribly valuable asset.

I might give up our 3rd for him, but I won't swear by that. We're just not at a point right now where we can give up assets for an immediate fix. In the end, there are teams that are a corner away from being contenders and they have picks in the teens/20s so they can beat us by a round.

The Chiefs would be insane to give up their 2nd for him - but the Packers sure as hell wouldn't. We can't bid with those teams so we should stay out of the running.

He was more useful when he was bitching about the social groups...

"I bet they would take Charles for Revis."

Yes, I bet they would. Why the **** would WE do that trade, though? It ****ing sucks for us even if it's only a hypothetical offer.

A guy with an ego the size of the city he plays in, coming off a serious injury, on a rental plan? Not worth either our first or our second.

Sadly, if we hadn't let Carr walk for nothing, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Nor would we if we could evaluate talent in the draft like we could back then, sorry to say.

I can just see Elway sitting in his office thinking about ways to get Revis to Denver. Big bucket of hay sits next to his chair. He looks down his huge ass horse snout at the number-crunched paper trying to find a good offer as he takes a big clump of hay and shoves it past his bigass horse teeth.

I'll admit I haven't read through the thread but what about flipping first rounders with the Jets? Jets get the #1 pick, we get Revis and their first rounder... then we can still draft a QB in the first. What pick in the top 10 is the Jets and does the value match on a move like that?

They draft 9, and if they have first pick they take Geno, no questions asked. No thanks.

ROFL

LMAO