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milkman 07-27-2005 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER
An MLB Salary Cap and CBA has been my mantra for ages. Still, IMHO it isn't that Glass DON'T HAVE the money to spend, it is that he WON'T spend it for fear of losing money on his team.
I don't really know anything about Glass, but I'm betting that he didn't get rich by spending money stupidly.

And it would be stupid for him to spend a ton of jack on the Royals if he has no chance of making a profit.

CHIEF4EVER 07-27-2005 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SideWinder
I don't really know anything about Glass, but I'm betting that he didn't get rich by spending money stupidly.

And it would be stupid for him to spend a ton of jack on the Royals if he has no chance of making a profit.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, he spends money to keep his talented players and fields a winning team that makes the playoffs most of the time. Do you think he will LOSE money on the team?

Anyong Bluth 07-27-2005 05:43 PM
yeah, but Glass deals with a company committed to volume discount - you don't goto Walmart for premium items. you get "utility players. Same mindset. I don't think glass is against spending money should they have a salary cap with revenue sharing, and he's being smart in not throwing his money down the drain to overpay on a few players which will only raise expectation and lower the chances of the owners having any real balls to make baseball a sport & less an economic certainty in motion

Valiant 07-27-2005 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement
From Poz's article.


The real truth is if the Royals had the stadium downtown - even as it is now with viable businesses around it, bars, & young people living down there, it would greatly improve. Working people could goto a number of day games.

I think with the reality of a new ballpark downtown it would mean higher ticket prices and people seem to bitch about that, but if you want a winner you have to pay for one. Corprate tickets would def. go up if the location was better. Arrowhead is where it should be b/c its setup for tailgating and an 8 game schedule. For 82 games, a Wrigley, St Louis setup is so much better.

If you told me they could be a replica of the K downtown by the Sprint Center and the new entertainment district and the only two differences would be wider concourses and more bathrooms I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Anyone else hear that the new entertainment district just approved open containers- you can move from bar to bar with booze!

See, I know alot of people that hate going to the city.. I know I will not go more if it is moved to downtown... That is why I am so glad about Zona Rosa and the establishments moving up here.. Tom Foolerie's, Gran Falloon, O'doyds(sp?), Hoolihans, Pete's Inn,one or two others being built and a slew of smaller shittier bars in the northland.. Only reason why I go to downtown area is the Point, and Westport beach club...

milkman 07-27-2005 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER
Let's say, for the sake of argument, he spends money to keep his talented players and fields a winning team that makes the playoffs most of the time. Do you think he will LOSE money on the team?
I can't say with any certainty either way.

But I do know that other small market teams that do regularly field competitive teams still can't hold onto all of their marque players, and are always having to replenish their major league talent with up and coming young players, so that would suggest that the finances aren't there, even if you are consistently competitive.

Valiant 07-27-2005 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER
Let's say, for the sake of argument, he spends money to keep his talented players and fields a winning team that makes the playoffs most of the time. Do you think he will LOSE money on the team?

Yes, when we were in the hunt two years ago no one came out to the games... NO One...It will takes years of a constant winning atmosphere to build back up the fan base at games... I also think the RSTN hurts ticket sales alot... I know I would rather sit at home, drink and watch then go to the game and spend a lot there...

Anyong Bluth 07-27-2005 05:50 PM
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Let's say, for the sake of argument, he spends money to keep his talented players and fields a winning team that makes the playoffs most of the time. Do you think he will LOSE money on the team?

Without raising ticket prices probably. They don't make enough off merchandising, tv & radio revenue, concession & parking to probably sustain a team in the 50-60 mil range. Factor in the decrease in the peanuts payroll tax they get now by bumping up their payroll and he probably does take a loss.


Ohh - and the downtown K would obviously need more suites and should have field level suites to maximize corp dollars. What it doesn't need is a bunch of fan's zones stuff that will take up valuable space in a new park, detract from the focus of the game and can easily be setup outside in the parking lots which = saving that stadium room for crowd entry/exit or seats without sacrificing the beautiful sitelines

VonneMarie 07-27-2005 07:28 PM
That game and the BP was kick@ss! :clap:

beavis 07-27-2005 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement
Without raising ticket prices probably. They don't make enough off merchandising, tv & radio revenue, concession & parking to probably sustain a team in the 50-60 mil range. Factor in the decrease in the peanuts payroll tax they get now by bumping up their payroll and he probably does take a loss.


Ohh - and the downtown K would obviously need more suites and should have field level suites to maximize corp dollars. What it doesn't need is a bunch of fan's zones stuff that will take up valuable space in a new park, detract from the focus of the game and can easily be setup outside in the parking lots which = saving that stadium room for crowd entry/exit or seats without sacrificing the beautiful sitelines
Yeah, what you said.

The field at the K is nice. The concourse and surrounding areas are pretty much a dump when you get right down to it.

Saulbadguy 07-27-2005 09:00 PM
No Royals thread is complete without mentioning David Glass.

ChiTown 07-27-2005 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by beavis
Yeah, what you said.

The field at the K is nice. The concourse and surrounding areas are pretty much a dump when you get right down to it.

Yep.

Narrow concourses, lack of amenities, no place you'd like to hang out after the game except for the fuggen Adams Mark hotel bar. Move em downtown. Build a 32K seat stadium, and make it an intmate setting where the crowd is part of the game.


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