Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 4869288)

They're all scared of him?

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 4869288)

They're all scared of him?

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 4869308)

This is very interesting. Would Kansas City hire THREE stupid head coaches would would hire Gunther?

Well, to be fair, Vermeil didn't count. But he was stupid for wanting to promote Peter Giunta, so Gunther was a much better pick.

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 4869305)

That, and he's good at what he does.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4869325)

Not really. Hes a survivor more than anything.

Its telling that the Chiefs are the only organization that ever seem to really want his services.

When he left KC as head coach, all he could get was a job coaching LB's? Thats quite a demontion if you ask me. Why didnt any other teams at least offer him a coodinator position??

Gunther is a whole lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 4869329)

Greg Robinson ruined our defense. Gunther came back and suddenly the Chiefs D wasn't a laughing stock. Coincidence?

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 4869329)

Greg Robinson ruined our defense. Gunther came back and suddenly the Chiefs D wasn't a laughing stock. Coincidence?

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4869331)

They are not a laughing stock anymore but hes hardly done anything truly special and hes had 4 years to turn it around! Hes had every excuse in the book. Im tired of his act.

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 4869340)

Wow. Sorry guys. I Guess Gunther is a crappy coach. Bad thread. Sorry.

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 4869357)

I get your point. I'm not suggesting he's the best DC in the league ... I think he can make defenses better. and I'm glad we have him. I am just surprised he's survived so many "regime changes" ...

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 4869357)

I am just surprised he's survived so many "regime changes" ...

Originally Posted by 88-31-10 (Post 4869361)

What one thing has remained constant during said "regime changes"?

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4869367)

Ode To Gunther

By FAX.

Oh, Gunther, Oh Gunther, you are batshit nuts.
Some say you're a genius. Some say you're a putz.
You tell us you need just one player or two
And all will be well if Carl listens to you.

But those players come and they stink up the place
While you're sitting upstairs with chaw in your face.
And you spit and curse and then you spit some more
All in the name of a good team rapport.

Then next year you tell us it's all about scheme
And things will be better with our fav'rite team.
But that plan implodes as opponents score thirty
And our players whiff and don't even get dirty.

And when we fans say that it's all gone to hell
You tell us to screw off, we've got Kendrell Bell.
And if you don't like it, come in for a meeting
So you and your 'backers can give us a beating.

Then finally you have a big sit down with Herm
Who tells you, "It's okay." you just must be firm.
So you yell and blaspheme and kick fat cabooses
'Cause you're out of players and plays and excuses.

You've got it! You claim! It's not runs it's the passes!
(And the fact you can't find anymore big orange glasses.)
So you draft fat linemen who can't even run
And announce they're the answer. It's what you do, Gun.

FAX

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4869367)

Ode To Gunther

By FAX.

Oh, Gunther, Oh Gunther, you are batshit nuts.
Some say you're a genius. Some say you're a putz.
You tell us you need just one player or two
And all will be well if Carl listens to you.

But those players come and they stink up the place
While you're sitting upstairs with chaw in your face.
And you spit and curse and then you spit some more
All in the name of a good team rapport.

Then next year you tell us it's all about scheme
And things will be better with our fav'rite team.
But that plan implodes as opponents score thirty
And our players whiff and don't even get dirty.

And when we fans say that it's all gone to hell
You tell us to screw off, we've got Kendrell Bell.
And if you don't like it, come in for a meeting
So you and your 'backers can give us a beating.

Then finally you have a big sit down with Herm
Who tells you, "It's okay." you just must be firm.
So you yell and blaspheme and kick fat cabooses
'Cause you're out of players and plays and excuses.

You've got it! You claim! It's not runs it's the passes!
(And the fact you can't find anymore big orange glasses.)
So you draft fat linemen who can't even run
And announce they're the answer. It's what you do, Gun.

FAX

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4869367)

Ode To Gunther

By FAX.

Oh, Gunther, Oh Gunther, you are batshit nuts.
Some say you're a genius. Some say you're a putz.
You tell us you need just one player or two
And all will be well if Carl listens to you.

But those players come and they stink up the place
While you're sitting upstairs with chaw in your face.
And you spit and curse and then you spit some more
All in the name of a good team rapport.

Then next year you tell us it's all about scheme
And things will be better with our fav'rite team.
But that plan implodes as opponents score thirty
And our players whiff and don't even get dirty.

And when we fans say that it's all gone to hell
You tell us to screw off, we've got Kendrell Bell.
And if you don't like it, come in for a meeting
So you and your 'backers can give us a beating.

Then finally you have a big sit down with Herm
Who tells you, "It's okay." you just must be firm.
So you yell and blaspheme and kick fat cabooses
'Cause you're out of players and plays and excuses.

You've got it! You claim! It's not runs it's the passes!
(And the fact you can't find anymore big orange glasses.)
So you draft fat linemen who can't even run
And announce they're the answer. It's what you do, Gun.

FAX

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 4869376)

King Carl. But I have no idea what Carl thinks of Gun, otherwise I wouldn't have posted this thread. Maybe that's the simple answer: Carl likes him.

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 4869376)

Maybe that's the simple answer: Carl likes him.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4869387)

Ahh.....u learn quick young grasshopper. Wise beyond your years. :)

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4869388)

Carl likes him so much he fired him over the internet. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 4869344)

Look, hes not the worst coach in the world, but hes hardly anything special. Special coaches are the ones that win championships.

Do you remember our Run Defense the past few years?? They still suffer from the same breakdowns at critical times. How about the 3rd down defense? Or lack of a 3rd down defense.

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4869384)

Be fair; in his glory years Gunther had tremendous DTs which freed up his ends and backers to create plays. For the last decade, we have been trying to find the answer at DT to no avail. It is my belief that a franchise DT is at the core of Gun's genius AND that Dorsey could be that DT. Al will RUE the day he gave Gun his ticket back to dominance.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4869367)

Ode To Gunther

By FAX.

Oh, Gunther, Oh Gunther, you are batshit nuts.
Some say you're a genius. Some say you're a putz.
You tell us you need just one player or two
And all will be well if Carl listens to you.

But those players come and they stink up the place
While you're sitting upstairs with chaw in your face.
And you spit and curse and then you spit some more
All in the name of a good team rapport.

Then next year you tell us it's all about scheme
And things will be better with our fav'rite team.
But that plan implodes as opponents score thirty
And our players whiff and don't even get dirty.

And when we fans say that it's all gone to hell
You tell us to screw off, we've got Kendrell Bell.
And if you don't like it, come in for a meeting
So you and your 'backers can give us a beating.

Then finally you have a big sit down with Herm
Who tells you, "It's okay." you just must be firm.
So you yell and blaspheme and kick fat cabooses
'Cause you're out of players and plays and excuses.

You've got it! You claim! It's not runs it's the passes!
(And the fact you can't find anymore big orange glasses.)
So you draft fat linemen who can't even run
And announce they're the answer. It's what you do, Gun.

FAX

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 4869397)

If players like Simms:cuss: & Siavii:cuss: lived up to their picks maybe we could have had a better D. Those guys were lush and not even Gunther could get them to be worth a Raiduhs

Now we got Glenn Dorsey :toast: and hopefully we struck gold with this pick.

Originally Posted by JuicesFlowing (Post 4869329)

Greg Robinson ruined our defense. Gunther came back and suddenly the Chiefs D wasn't a laughing stock. Coincidence?

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4869367)

Ode To Gunther

By FAX.

Oh, Gunther, Oh Gunther, you are batshit nuts.
Some say you're a genius. Some say you're a putz.
You tell us you need just one player or two
And all will be well if Carl listens to you.

But those players come and they stink up the place
While you're sitting upstairs with chaw in your face.
And you spit and curse and then you spit some more
All in the name of a good team rapport.

Then next year you tell us it's all about scheme
And things will be better with our fav'rite team.
But that plan implodes as opponents score thirty
And our players whiff and don't even get dirty.

And when we fans say that it's all gone to hell
You tell us to screw off, we've got Kendrell Bell.
And if you don't like it, come in for a meeting
So you and your 'backers can give us a beating.

Then finally you have a big sit down with Herm
Who tells you, "It's okay." you just must be firm.
So you yell and blaspheme and kick fat cabooses
'Cause you're out of players and plays and excuses.

You've got it! You claim! It's not runs it's the passes!
(And the fact you can't find anymore big orange glasses.)
So you draft fat linemen who can't even run
And announce they're the answer. It's what you do, Gun.

FAX

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 4869481)

Too bad those were guys that Goonther signed off of (Siavii in particular).

I don't know how Goonther still has a job as D-Coordinator of the Chiefs. Yes, put up huge numbers in 1995 & 1997 but with that much talent on D (and Marty as head coach) who wouldn't?

Gunther needs Baltimore-like talent to field a top ten defense, which basically says he's a product of his players, not the other way around.

He's nothing special and probably below average. Which is why he could only get a job as a LB coach once he was fired from KC.

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4869540)

He's an excellent playcaller. His 95 and 97 defenses were historic; I doubt there's a D-coordinator out there who could have done more. Marty just particularly complements him well because Marty is the end-all be-all of talent evaluation.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 4869575)

Um, I take it that this is sarcasm?

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4869577)

I'm totally serious.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4869367)

Ode To Gunther

By FAX.

Oh, Gunther, Oh Gunther, you are batshit nuts.
Some say you're a genius. Some say you're a putz.
You tell us you need just one player or two
And all will be well if Carl listens to you.

But those players come and they stink up the place
While you're sitting upstairs with chaw in your face.
And you spit and curse and then you spit some more
All in the name of a good team rapport.

Then next year you tell us it's all about scheme
And things will be better with our fav'rite team.
But that plan implodes as opponents score thirty
And our players whiff and don't even get dirty.

And when we fans say that it's all gone to hell
You tell us to screw off, we've got Kendrell Bell.
And if you don't like it, come in for a meeting
So you and your 'backers can give us a beating.

Then finally you have a big sit down with Herm
Who tells you, "It's okay." you just must be firm.
So you yell and blaspheme and kick fat cabooses
'Cause you're out of players and plays and excuses.

You've got it! You claim! It's not runs it's the passes!
(And the fact you can't find anymore big orange glasses.)
So you draft fat linemen who can't even run
And announce they're the answer. It's what you do, Gun.

FAX

Originally Posted by rad (Post 4869765)

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 4869481)

Yes, put up huge numbers in 1995 & 1997 but with that much talent on D (and Marty as head coach) who wouldn't?

Gunther needs Baltimore-like talent to field a top ten defense, which basically says he's a product of his players, not the other way around.

He's nothing special and probably below average. Which is why he could only get a job as a LB coach once he was fired from KC.

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 4869784)

I frickin LOVE Gunther. LOVE him. He's a great DC.
But I also love this poem. Bravo FAX!

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 4869845)

I disagree. First of all, do you remember Dave Adolph? The putz that Gunther replaced. That man did not know how to coach a defense. I remember how ecstatic I was when San Diego hired him away from us. I never did understand why. As far as him needing top talent to succeed, I think that can be applied to most any coach. I don't think anyone could have done anything with the turds that Gunther had when he came back.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4869916)

I'm going to focus on that word "myopic" for a while.

FAX

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4869388)

Carl likes him so much he fired him over the internet. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4869540)

He's an excellent playcaller.

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 4869845)

I disagree. First of all, do you remember Dave Adolph? The putz that Gunther replaced. That man did not know how to coach a defense. I remember how ecstatic I was when San Diego hired him away from us. I never did understand why. As far as him needing top talent to succeed, I think that can be applied to most any coach. I don't think anyone could have done anything with the turds that Gunther had when he came back.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 4870224)

The dude has got more mileage out of the 4 plays inside of the 10 yard line late in the game against Todd Collins and the Bills than any other DC in history.

Anymore all we get is second half breakdowns game-after-game-after-game. I know.... it's not because the other team is making better adjustments to his defense at halftime... it's because our defense is just tired.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 4870224)

The dude has got more mileage out of the 4 plays inside of the 10 yard line late in the game against Todd Collins and the Bills than any other DC in history.