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houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:09 PM

Romeo Crennel As Defensive Coordinator - SP Fired Spagnuolo
 
Sean Payton ain't playing around.

He just got reinstated this week and today he fired DC Steve Spagnuolo and said they are moving to a 3-4.

Lots of Saints fans think they should hire Romeo.

What's your honest opinion of that?

Seemed like Romeo was lost as a HC but don't really know his history as a DC.

Please elaborate.

SAUTO 01-24-2013 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9348938)
Sean Payton ain't playing around.

He just got reinstated this week and he already fired DC Steve Spagnuolo and said they are moving to a 3-4.

Lots of Saints fans think they should hire Romeo.,

What's your honest opinion of that?

Seemed like Romeo was lost as a HC but don't really know his history as a DC.

Please elaborate.

They hired rob Ryan.
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houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9348942)
They hired rob Ryan.
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No.

Rob Ryan went to St. Louis.

Idahojim 01-24-2013 08:12 PM

Who Dat? Romeo
 
Take him in a heartbeat. Not a good HC, but great DC. I could see him fitting well with the Saints. Really well.

RealSNR 01-24-2013 08:13 PM

Make sure you don't have any "loose cannons" at LB

houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Idahojim (Post 9348949)
Take him in a heartbeat. Not a good HC, but great DC. I could see him fitting well with the Saints. Really well.


Yeah that's what fans there seem to think.

They also talk about Lovie Smith but I think Lovie runs a 4-3, not a 3-4.

wazu 01-24-2013 08:14 PM

He'd be a very solid hire if he actually wants the job.

Deberg_1990 01-24-2013 08:14 PM

He was a great DC in 2001

In 2013....not so much.

Strongside 01-24-2013 08:15 PM

He's a good Defensive mind. Just don't ever think about promoting him to HC. Ever.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-24-2013 08:15 PM

Nice guy.

That's all.

SAUTO 01-24-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9348946)
No.

Rob Ryan went to St. Louis.

**** me you are right.

I got two texts in a row one about the saints and one about the rams lol
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Canofbier 01-24-2013 08:17 PM

Yeah, Saints fans should be happy if they get the guy as a DC. He did a nice job in that role while he was here in KC, and I almost wish that he were never promoted in the first place so that he'd have stayed here in that role. It would be a hell of a lot better than what we ended up hiring.

Hammock Parties 01-24-2013 08:17 PM

A 2-gap with an attacking offense? Should work well!

mdchiefsfan 01-24-2013 08:17 PM

I think his system is outdated, but you could still do worse.

-King- 01-24-2013 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9348946)
No.

Rob Ryan went to St. Louis.

Funny thing is...I'd take Romeo over him at DC any day.

houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 9348966)
He's a good Defensive mind. Just don't ever think about promoting him to HC. Ever.

Sean Payton's back so don't worry about that.

But the Saints need a DC now.

I can't imagine SP firing Spags without someone else in mind.

SP has been sitting back and watching the Saints D flounder all year and it probably made him furious.

If the Saints had an even mediocre defense this year they would have been in the playoffs.

DTLB58 01-24-2013 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9348938)
Sean Payton ain't playing around.

He just got reinstated this week and today he fired DC Steve Spagnuolo and said they are moving to a 3-4.

Lots of Saints fans think they should hire Romeo.

What's your honest opinion of that?

Seemed like Romeo was lost as a HC but don't really know his history as a DC.

Please elaborate.

How old is someone not to know RAC's history of a DC? Holy crap!
ProFootball Reference.com is good.

RunKC 01-24-2013 08:18 PM

He would be a great hire for the Saints.

He's been able to get under the skin of a lot of elite QB's and frustrate them, namely Peyton Manning.

He didn't have an offense worth a shit to help him here. Having Brees and the Saints offense backing him up would be perfect for RAC.

-King- 01-24-2013 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 9348980)
I think his system is outdated, but you could still do worse.

You could do A LOT worse than Romeo at DC.

Titty Meat 01-24-2013 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9348963)
He was a great DC in 2001

In 2013....not so much.

What? His defense was 11th without his best player 2 years ago.

houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9348985)
How old is someone not to know RAC's history of a DC? Holy crap!
ProFootball Reference.com is good.


I wanted to hear you guys first hand experience.

SAUTO 01-24-2013 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9349003)
What? His defense was 11th without his best player 2 years ago.

DJ was out for a season?
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mlyonsd 01-24-2013 08:22 PM

Romeo is way overrated at anything he does.

Fritz88 01-24-2013 08:23 PM

He's a good DC despite what some say here.

I'd hire him.
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Sorter 01-24-2013 08:25 PM

Well, the Saints are going to see a lot of Roman Harper up in the box and being victimized by TEs.

RealSNR 01-24-2013 08:26 PM

That defensive line of the Saints is going to be completely unfamiliar to 2-gapping.

houstonwhodat, you guys should trade for Tyson Jackson. We'll take Jimmy Graham off your hands. With Jackson, the transition to Romeo's scheme will be eased quite a bit. Sound good?

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9349005)
I wanted to hear you guys first hand experience.

Romeo's a real sound defensive mind. But what you're going to get is an overly conservative defense with very well coached players. He's not going to attack a whole ton. And by the way, it means you have to restructure your offensive line to bring in slow defensive ends and big OLBs.

No team should be transitioning into 2-gap right now. There's a reason why no team runs it. The only 2-gap guys left coordinating are Sutton and Bowles. And I'm 99% sure Sutton isn't running 2-gap.

houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9349018)
That defensive line of the Saints is going to be completely unfamiliar to 2-gapping.

houstonwhodat, you guys should trade for Tyson Jackson. We'll take Jimmy Graham off your hands. Sound good?


Lot's of people would love to have Jimmy Graham. That dude is a BEAST and he still doesn't know what he's doing yet.

houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9349023)
Romeo's a real sound defensive mind. But what you're going to get is an overly conservative defense with very well coached players. He's not going to attack a whole ton. And by the way, it means you have to restructure your offensive line to bring in slow defensive ends and big OLBs.

No team should be transitioning into 2-gap right now. There's a reason why no team runs it. The only 2-gap guys left coordinating are Sutton and Bowles. And I'm 99% sure Sutton isn't running 2-gap.



Something has to be done about these "running quarterbacks" and the read option.

It's only going to get worse until someone cleans Englebert Humperdink's clock.

Someone from the Ravens should take care of that.

Gravedigger 01-24-2013 08:29 PM

When he focuses on his craft, he's a motivating coach that gets the best out of his players. If he's asked to do too much, like most coordinators, he gets overwhelmed. I'd take him as DC over Sutton imho.

RealSNR 01-24-2013 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9349024)
Lot's of people would love to have Jimmy Graham. That dude is a BEAST and he still doesn't know what he'd doing yet.

True, but you'll need a guy who knows what he's doing in order to make Romeo work.

Okay okay okay. We'll throw in Matt Cassel to sweeten the pot. Brees needs a capable backup.

houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9349017)
Well, the Saints are going to see a lot of Roman Harper up in the box and being victimized by TEs.


Not sure if Harper will be back. Too old and slow.

Payton has some major changes in mind.

Daddy's Home And He's Angry.

Sorter 01-24-2013 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9349036)
Not sure if Harper will be back. Too old and slow.

Payton has some major changes in mind.

Daddy's Home And He's Angry.

He should be kept as depth but not for what he's making.

Bummer, as I really like the guy.

houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9349033)
True, but you'll need a guy who knows what he's doing in order to make Romeo work.

Okay okay okay. We'll throw in Matt Cassel to sweeten the pot. Brees needs a capable backup.



:LOL: ROFL LMAO :shake:

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2013 08:31 PM

By the way, on Spagnuolo. Pretty shitty situation to be fired after what the Saints went through.

It's a shame the Chiefs have Gibbs. I'd take Spagnuolo as a LBs coach in a heartbeat.

Coogs 01-24-2013 08:31 PM

Drew Brees vs Gus Cassel.

Which city would Romeo rather be the DC for their local NFL team?

:hmmm:

Rasputin 01-24-2013 08:32 PM

The guy is a rock when it comes to emotion altho he did have a hell of a * terrible season * he stayed strong for himself and the team. I don't know how much his heart is in to return to coaching after a season like that.

Andy Reid not taking a year off so I wouldn't be surprised the same for Romeo. He is up in age and could just retire. The defense would play hard for him as players really take to him as a father figure.

RealSNR 01-24-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9349039)
:LOL: ROFL LMAO :shake:

*sigh* Fine, but this is my last offer:

Tyson Jackson, Matt Cassel, and Dexter McCluster for Slim Jim

houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9349041)
By the way, on Spagnuolo. Pretty shitty situation to be fired after what the Saints went through.

It's a shame the Chiefs have Gibbs. I'd take Spagnuolo as a LBs coach in a heartbeat.

Something had to be done I guess.

SP has been watching this all season.

IDK, but if you don't have the personnel for your scheme then change scheme's.

No way they should have been that bad.

How many points were they up on the Chiefs and they lost that damn game.

Too many games like that this year.

houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9349051)
*sigh* Fine, but this is my last offer:

Tyson Jackson, Matt Cassel, and Dexter McCluster for Slim Jim

Throw in some BBQ and maybe we'll talk hahahaha

Hammock Parties 01-24-2013 08:36 PM

The Saints play in a division with the Panthers and Bucs, so Romeo's 2-gapping ways might actually help them 4 games a year.

But I'll bet his D gets smoked every time by the Falcons.

houstonwhodat 01-24-2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9349059)
The Saints play in a division with the Panthers and Bucs, so Romeo's 2-gapping ways might actually help them 4 games a year.

But I'll bet his D gets smoked every time by the Falcons.

Sean Payton is in Mike Smith's head.

I expect the Saints to win the division again this year.

We'll see.

Sorter 01-24-2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9349059)
The Saints play in a division with the Panthers and Bucs, so Romeo's 2-gapping ways might actually help them 4 games a year.

But I'll bet his D gets smoked every time by the Falcons.

Leaving the saints DBs on islands against Julio/Roddy seems like a great plan. I mean, it worked well for us!

RINGLEADER 01-24-2013 08:41 PM

Romeo seems to be as good as he wants to be. Unfortunately, most of the time his mind is on jelly doughnuts and buttered popcorn.

DaneMcCloud 01-24-2013 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9349041)
By the way, on Spagnuolo. Pretty shitty situation to be fired after what the Saints went through.

It's a shame the Chiefs have Gibbs. I'd take Spagnuolo as a LBs coach in a heartbeat.

You're reeruned

Sorter 01-24-2013 09:03 PM

Wasn't Spags a DBs coach anyways?

Regardless, he, like Fewell have made their names off of having excellent pass rushers.

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9349150)
You're reeruned

I am not saying the Saints are wrong to fire him. But he's been a DC for only one year in a year where they were missing a head coach, where their team was under scandal all year, and they lost several defensive players to meaningful time due to suspension.

And he's still one hell of an experienced positions coach.

I'm not sure what's reeruned about any of what I said.

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2013 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9349161)
Wasn't Spags a DBs coach anyways?

Regardless, he, like Fewell have made their names off of having excellent pass rushers.

He was a LBs coach for the Eagles as well. The reason I brought his name up as someone I'm sure Reid would have considered, if Spags was fired earlier.

Sorter 01-24-2013 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9349169)
He was a LBs coach for the Eagles as well. The reason I brought his name up as someone I'm sure Reid would have considered, if Spags was fired earlier.

Didn't know he was a LBs coach too, thought it was just DBs.

While I could see Reid hiring him in some capacity, I wouldn't really want it. JMHO

Mr. Laz 01-24-2013 09:10 PM

You put Crennel's defense with a high-powered offense and he could do well.

His bend-don't break defense won't force the other team to make mistakes unless you have a lead.

DaneMcCloud 01-24-2013 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9349167)
I am not saying the Saints are wrong to fire him. But he's been a DC for only one year in a year where they were missing a head coach, where their team was under scandal all year, and they lost several defensive players to meaningful time due to suspension.

And he's still one hell of an experienced positions coach.

I'm not sure what's reeruned about any of what I said.

You're reeruned.

You've always been reeruned.

You're a verbose douche **** that thinks he knows more than anyone and everyone else, due to your verbosity, but you're still reeruned.

You're exactly like Blackbob, except your vocabulary is slightly more extensive.

But make no mistake: You are a reerun.

The Bad Guy 01-24-2013 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Idahojim (Post 9348949)
Take him in a heartbeat. Not a good HC, but great DC. I could see him fitting well with the Saints. Really well.

He's not a great DC.

Not even close anymore actually.

JoeyChuckles 01-24-2013 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9348983)
...If the Saints had an even mediocre defense this year they would have been in the playoffs.

Let's be honest, any team that was beaten by the Chiefs last year was not that close to making the playoffs.

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2013 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9349193)
You're reeruned.

You've always been reeruned.

You're a verbose douche **** that thinks he knows more than anyone and everyone else, due to your verbosity, but you're still reeruned.

You're exactly like Blackbob, except your vocabulary is slightly more extensive.

But make no mistake: You are a reerun.

I... don't understand how anything I said justified this kind of a response. But okay.

The Bad Guy 01-24-2013 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9349041)
By the way, on Spagnuolo. Pretty shitty situation to be fired after what the Saints went through.

It's a shame the Chiefs have Gibbs. I'd take Spagnuolo as a LBs coach in a heartbeat.

Yeah, real shame we have a guy who's improved the talent at the position and done his job exceptionally well.

Are you for ****ing real?

The Bad Guy 01-24-2013 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9349222)
I... don't understand how anything I said justified this kind of a response. But okay.

Make no mistake. Saying you're sad we have Gibbs because you'd rather have Spagnulo when Gibbs has done a wonderful job here is ****ing stupid.

The Bad Guy 01-24-2013 09:22 PM

Romeo's going to have a hell of a time in NO. That's not a talented defense and not one that's going to make a smooth transition to a 3-4.

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2013 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9349224)
Make no mistake. Saying you're sad we have Gibbs because you'd rather have Spagnulo when Gibbs has done a wonderful job here is ****ing stupid.

Ok, fair enough. That was probably not the right way to say it.

Sorter 01-24-2013 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9349226)
Romeo's going to have a hell of a time in NO. That's not a talented defense and not one that's going to make a smooth transition to a 3-4.

Yup.

The Bad Guy 01-24-2013 09:25 PM

Spags had one good run with the Giants. He was a product of Jim Johnson, much like Sean McDermott when he was a position coach.

His schemes last year were ****ing horrible.

He's another coordinator that needs elite talent, ala Gunther, to produce.

KCwolf 01-24-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9349193)
You're reeruned.

You've always been reeruned.

You're a verbose douche **** that thinks he knows more than anyone and everyone else, due to your verbosity, but you're still reeruned.

You're exactly like Blackbob, except your vocabulary is slightly more extensive.

But make no mistake: You are a reerun.

Man I Loved it when U were gone.............

O.city 01-24-2013 09:32 PM

Spags is a name at this point.


And no, Romeo isn't a good DC. We built, for 4 years a defensive lineup based on his schem and it still was dirty hair. Read and react defenses aren't shit unless you have elite talent.

SAUTO 01-24-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KCwolf (Post 9349240)
Man I Loved it when U were gone.............

JFC, maybe you should go then.
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KCwolf 01-24-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9349251)
JFC, maybe you should go then.
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STFU

SAUTO 01-24-2013 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KCwolf (Post 9349259)
STFU

Why don't you? You are the one coming off like a little bitch.

Ohhhhhh it was so much nicer when the big meanie Dane isn't hurting idiots feelings...boo ****ing hoo
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Sorter 01-24-2013 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 9349248)
I don't think the coordinator is gonna matter in N.O.....the player personnel is what's lacking on that D.

I think it is both.

Bump 01-24-2013 09:43 PM

he's a fantastic DC.

Don't forget the miracle he pulled on our defense when he got here.

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2013 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9349265)
I think it is both.

Could be. But he was also teaching zone to a defense used to attacking, and was missing his defensive captain, head coach, and LBs coach to help teach it. I'm not a huge fan of his scheme, but still fair to wonder if it was scheme, or if players were just lost or not fit for the scheme.

I think he'll still be a terrific positions coach.

The Bad Guy 01-24-2013 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9349284)
he's a fantastic DC.

Don't forget the miracle he pulled on our defense when he got here.

How about the next year when his defense gave up basically 40+ to the Lions and Bills to open the season?

The guy's schemes are suspect in today's NFL. In an aggressive NFL, it's not a shock that bend don't break rarely works anymore.

RealSNR 01-24-2013 09:52 PM

He's a confused old man

chiefzilla1501 01-24-2013 09:54 PM

What's interesting is that Payton is a Parcells disciple. So back to the OP... wouldn't surprise me if Romeo was very high on Payton's list.

Sorter 01-24-2013 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9349289)
Could be. But he was also teaching zone to a defense used to attacking, and was missing his defensive captain, head coach, and LBs coach to help teach it. I'm not a huge fan of his scheme, but still fair to wonder if it was scheme, or if players were just lost or not fit for the scheme.

I think he'll still be a terrific positions coach.

From a personal standpoint, Spags philosophies and mine differ too much; I wouldn't want him in any capacity.

He could probably have some success and help players in a 4-3 zone based scheme at both the LB and DB position.

el borracho 01-24-2013 11:57 PM

Not a fan of Crennel's scheme (too passive). Players love him but that doesn't necessarily translate to playing well. Crennel should probably retire.

DaneMcCloud 01-25-2013 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KCwolf (Post 9349240)
Man I Loved it when U were gone.............

Who the **** are you?

And what's your counterpoint, ****ball?

DaneMcCloud 01-25-2013 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9349222)
I... don't understand how anything I said justified this kind of a response. But okay.

Finally.

A two sentence response.

Sign of things to come?

DaWolf 01-25-2013 12:40 AM

Romeo is bend but don't break. When everyone is doing their job properly, the defense can definitely slow opponents down and confuse them. But too often the D broke down because of missed assignments or whatnot. Also it didn't cause many turnovers or sacks, so it is what it is...

bevischief 01-25-2013 07:41 AM

But the Chiefs went to the playoffs in 2010...

Reerun_KC 01-25-2013 08:00 AM

ROFL Crennel is god freaking awful... Dude needs to quit while he can.

He makes GROB look compentent.

SAUTO 01-25-2013 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9349575)
Who the **** are you?

And what's your counterpoint, ****ball?

and then he calls me gay. LMAO

htismaqe 01-25-2013 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9349299)
How about the next year when his defense gave up basically 40+ to the Lions and Bills to open the season?

The guy's schemes are suspect in today's NFL. In an aggressive NFL, it's not a shock that bend don't break rarely works anymore.

This.


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