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DJ's left nut 09-26-2013 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10022231)
gannon made plays when he was running around

all i've seen from smith when he runs around is that he runs out of bounds...i'm waiting to see him identify WRs downfield under pressure

I feel like everybody needs to read Urban Myers comments/criticism of Alex Smith.

It really does explain a ton and coming from his college coach it carries a lot of weight with me.

Smith's not going to make those plays while running until he feels 100% comfortable in the offense. Sure, we'd like him to be there immediately, but you can see that he isn't. With SF - he got there. There's a reason the guy was able to complete 70% of his passes last season (and Kap is at 56% this year under the same 'guru').

He's not gonna hammer the accelerator if he can't see the apex and the exit to the corner. It's just not who he is.

But his history does suggest that he'll make those plays, just like Gannon, when he feels like he knows the offense. He's a poor-man's Manning; he doesn't want to 'feel' the offense, he wants to run it according to the script. He's the Anti-Favre.

aturnis 09-26-2013 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by crossbow (Post 10020565)
Chiefs Tight Ends are all injured too. Think that could have an impact on the running game?

No. McGrath is a better blocker than Fasano. I guess it's be nice to see what Kelce could do as a blocker.

chiefzilla1501 09-26-2013 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10022241)
They maybe similar in style but can't we all agree the NFL has changed into basically the CFL? Passing records are going to be shattered this year. This is a completely different league than 10-12 years ago.

That is no guarantee that you're going to win deep in the playoffs. Seattle, Baltimore, Houston, the Giants, the Alex Smith niners, and now KC and Tennessee... these are teams that are doing really well playing more of an efficient game. The Steelers (pre-Arians) did as well.

So much attention is paid to this electric passing game. But the fact is that efficient teams have been just as successful in the playoffs of late as explosive offenses. I brought up before that apart from one Super Bowl run, both Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees have a really lousy playoff win-loss record.

saphojunkie 09-26-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10022252)
it is telling that the best we can do is compare him to dilfer and gannon...for 2 sceond round picks

What QB has been as good or better that has been traded for less?

BigCatDaddy 09-26-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10022252)
it is telling that the best we can do is compare him to dilfer and gannon...for 2 sceond round picks

Come on man, we are chipping away that the True Fan. We've gotten them to move off the Trent Green comparisons. Baby steps.

BigCatDaddy 09-26-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10022274)
What QB has been as good or better that has been traded for less?

It's similar value for what we have up for Green.

DJ's left nut 09-26-2013 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10022276)
Come on man, we are chipping away that the True Fan. We've gotten them to move off the Trent Green comparisons. Baby steps.

You're chipping away at a straw man.

Nothing more.

But keep patting yourself on the back.

DaneMcCloud 09-26-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10022255)
Holy shit, did you really just say this?

Maybe I'm imagining things, but people who worship at the altar of mediocrity spent all summer saying that AS was their first choice, because "there was no one better".

People were more worried about getting the fans back to Arrowhead, and wanted to win now, instead of developing a guy for the future.

Now you have that guy, and you claim that he was NOBODY'S first choice?

Holy shit.

I meant in the grand scheme of things, not just this offseason.

You sure have an itchy trigger finger as of late, ready to jump anyone. What's up with that?

Who was the better choice this offseason, BTW?

Ace Gunner 09-26-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10022270)
I feel like everybody needs to read Urban Myers comments/criticism of Alex Smith.

It really does explain a ton and coming from his college coach it carries a lot of weight with me.

Smith's not going to make those plays while running until he feels 100% comfortable in the offense. Sure, we'd like him to be there immediately, but you can see that he isn't. With SF - he got there. There's a reason the guy was able to complete 70% of his passes last season (and Kap is at 56% this year under the same 'guru').

He's not gonna hammer the accelerator if he can't see the apex and the exit to the corner. It's just not who he is.

But his history does suggest that he'll make those plays, just like Gannon, when he feels like he knows the offense. He's a poor-man's Manning; he doesn't want to 'feel' the offense, he wants to run it according to the script. He's the Anti-Favre.

and this is why QB's are referred as a "field general".

AS is just more meticulous about how each player fits into the game and he expects blockers to perform with success, to some degree.

I'd appreciate any links or quotes re your "Urban Meyer" comment.

Frosty 09-26-2013 03:09 PM

I don't see the Hasselbeck/Smith comparisons made earlier. If anything, Hass was too reckless throwing the ball downfield. He definitely wasn't a safe and conservative QB.

DeezNutz 09-26-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10022270)
But his history does suggest that he'll make those plays, just like Gannon, when he feels like he knows the offense. He's a poor-man's Manning; he doesn't want to 'feel' the offense, he wants to run it according to the script. He's the Anti-Favre.

We're patiently waiting to develop, in a sense, our 29-year-old QB.

I love change in KC.

This year is going to be fun because at least we'll see some wins and a playoff loss. No bullshit. It beats 2-14, and I don't think this team will ever bottom out again under Reid's watch because he's too damn good.

But man I'm tired of seeing middling shit at QB. The first 3 1/2 quarters in Philly were flat painful. One great throw changed the entire point of discussion for the night.

But at least we had that moment, so we cannot discredit it.

Hammock Parties 09-26-2013 03:10 PM

The Rich Gannon comparisons need to stop.

His first season in Oakland they were 8th in points and 5th in yards. We aren't close to that.

They were also sixth in net yards gained per pass attempt. Currently we're 27th.

Whee, ****ers.

Sorter 09-26-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10022289)
I meant in the grand scheme of things, not just this offseason.

You sure have an itchy trigger finger as of late, ready to jump anyone. What's up with that?

Who was the better choice this offseason, BTW?

Duh, Hoyer.

dirk digler 09-26-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10022272)
That is no guarantee that you're going to win deep in the playoffs. Seattle, Baltimore, Houston, the Giants, the Alex Smith niners, and now KC and Tennessee... these are teams that are doing really well playing more of an efficient game. The Steelers (pre-Arians) did as well.

So much attention is paid to this electric passing game. But the fact is that efficient teams have been just as successful in the playoffs of late as explosive offenses. I brought up before that apart from one Super Bowl run, both Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees have a really lousy playoff win-loss record.

You make a good point but I would add you have to be able to move the ball in chunks at various times and you have to put up points. I just don't believe dinking and dunking down the field isn't going to cut it in the NFL anymore.

BigCatDaddy 09-26-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10022285)
You're chipping away at a straw man.

Nothing more.

But keep patting yourself on the back.

No, sadly these strawman are alive and well strolling down the red and gold brick road of CP.


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