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chiefzilla1501 09-26-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10022730)
Where also the Giants and Ravens QB are throwing for close to 4000 yds or over and 20 + TD's

Which is going to happen when you loosen up PI rules. It doesn't change the fact that efficient offensive teams are enjoying just as much success as explosive offensive teams, yet somehow we keep talking as if 5,000 yard QBs are the way of the future.

The way the Ravens and Giants have played, Joe Montana could easily step in and win multiple Super Bowls. That tells you the game has not changed nearly as much as people want to pretend it has.

keg in kc 09-26-2013 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10022738)
I'm sure Aaron Rodgers and Eli Manning will throw for a ton if yards this year, but won't win much. team game.
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Total tangent. God. Can you imagine Aaron Rodgers behind center for this Chiefs team. Christ. We'd probably be averaging 35 ppg. Even with shitty line play. Because it's not like he hasn't carried GB in the past behind god awful lines.

Hammock Parties 09-26-2013 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10022738)
I'm sure Aaron Rodgers and Eli Manning will throw for a ton if yards this year, but won't win much. team game.
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I'm not asking for 5,000 yards.

Just the ability to consistently threaten a defense past 10 yards.

So far we don't have that with Alex.

chiefzilla1501 09-26-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10022728)
Elite teams are winning because their QBs are threatening defenses at key moments.

Period.

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Yes, that's true. Like I said, I haven't seen Alex Smith bring that and that's always been my concern. But I disagree that that's any different from previous eras. Joe Montana was an efficient QB for most of the game, but when you put the ball in his hands in the 4th quarter, he was going to score on you at every time.

Bearcat 09-26-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10022738)
I'm sure Aaron Rodgers and Eli Manning will throw for a ton if yards this year, but won't win much. team game.
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Of course elite QB play isn't all you need, but it's pretty much a prereq if you want to play for a conference championship. The other parts then matter more deep into the playoffs, since everyone's QB is playing at an elite level at that point.

chiefzilla1501 09-26-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10022733)
Hell, even Herm ****ing Edwards has acknowledged it's a passing league.

Biggest myth in the NFL. Many elite teams run the ball very well. One of the most dangerous teams in the NFL right now, the Seahawks, are a pretty old school "run the ball down your throat, play great defense, and play efficient at the QB position" teams.

Brock 09-26-2013 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10022773)
Biggest myth in the NFL. Many elite teams run the ball very well. One of the most dangerous teams in the NFL right now, the Seahawks, are a pretty old school "run the ball down your throat, play great defense, and play efficient at the QB position" teams.

Denver doesn't run the ball AT ALL.

chiefzilla1501 09-26-2013 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10022783)
Denver doesn't run the ball AT ALL.

So because one team doesn't run the ball, that's proof that running teams can't be successful?

dirk digler 09-26-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10022773)
Biggest myth in the NFL. Many elite teams run the ball very well. One of the most dangerous teams in the NFL right now, the Seahawks, are a pretty old school "run the ball down your throat, play great defense, and play efficient at the QB position" teams.

Really? Is that why when you look at the Top 10 Passing Yards in a Season only 1, 1984 by Marino, didn't happen in the last 5 years.

<table data-crop="50" data-freeze="20" class="stats_table nav_table"><tbody><tr class=""><td align="right">1.</td> <td>Drew Brees (32)</td> <td align="right">5,476</td> <td align="right">2011</td> <td align="right">NOR</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">2.</td> <td>Tom Brady (34)</td> <td align="right">5,235</td> <td align="right">2011</td> <td align="right">NWE</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">3.</td> <td>Drew Brees (33)</td> <td align="right">5,177</td> <td align="right">2012</td> <td align="right">NOR</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">4.</td> <td>Dan Marino+ (23)</td> <td align="right">5,084</td> <td align="right">1984</td> <td align="right">MIA</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">5.</td> <td>Drew Brees (29)</td> <td align="right">5,069</td> <td align="right">2008</td> <td align="right">NOR</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">6.</td> <td>Matthew Stafford (23)</td> <td align="right">5,038</td> <td align="right">2011</td> <td align="right">DET</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">7.</td> <td>Matthew Stafford (24)</td> <td align="right">4,967</td> <td align="right">2012</td> <td align="right">DET</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">8.</td> <td>Eli Manning (30)</td> <td align="right">4,933</td> <td align="right">2011</td> <td align="right">NYG</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">9.</td> <td>Tony Romo (32)</td> <td align="right">4,903</td> <td align="right">2012</td> <td align="right">DA</td></tr></tbody></table>

Deberg_1990 09-26-2013 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10022773)
Biggest myth in the NFL. Many elite teams run the ball very well. One of the most dangerous teams in the NFL right now, the Seahawks, are a pretty old school "run the ball down your throat, play great defense, and play efficient at the QB position" teams.

This. Bottom line, there are lots of ways to win games.

Wilson doesn't put up huge stats, but he's a top QB. Elite doesn't mean stats. Elite means you make plays at critical points in the game.
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Hammock Parties 09-26-2013 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10022806)
Wilson doesn't put up huge stats, but he's a top QB. Elite doesn't mean stats. Elite means you make plays at critical points in the game.
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He's excellent at throwing the ball down the field.

That's all I want.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-26-2013 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10020614)
i'd like to apologize to our sensitive fans for posting an article about football on a football message board...

i clearly have mental issues, and will now go commit myself to inpatient therapy along with Aldon Smith...

it is harmful to discuss football with football fans, I will also attempt to contact the author of this article and explain to him that his life is miserable and that he should kill himself...

LMAO Nailed it.

dirk digler 09-26-2013 06:51 PM

It is not a passing league but the rookies came in and threw the ball all over the field last year. Hell Luck passed for 4375 yds and 23 TD's.

But it is not a passing league

chiefzilla1501 09-26-2013 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10022798)
Really? Is that why when you look at the Top 10 Passing Yards in a Season only 1, 1984 by Marino, didn't happen in the last 5 years.

<table data-crop="50" data-freeze="20" class="stats_table nav_table"><tbody><tr class=""><td align="right">1.</td> <td>Drew Brees (32)</td> <td align="right">5,476</td> <td align="right">2011</td> <td align="right">NOR</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">2.</td> <td>Tom Brady (34)</td> <td align="right">5,235</td> <td align="right">2011</td> <td align="right">NWE</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">3.</td> <td>Drew Brees (33)</td> <td align="right">5,177</td> <td align="right">2012</td> <td align="right">NOR</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">4.</td> <td>Dan Marino+ (23)</td> <td align="right">5,084</td> <td align="right">1984</td> <td align="right">MIA</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">5.</td> <td>Drew Brees (29)</td> <td align="right">5,069</td> <td align="right">2008</td> <td align="right">NOR</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">6.</td> <td>Matthew Stafford (23)</td> <td align="right">5,038</td> <td align="right">2011</td> <td align="right">DET</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">7.</td> <td>Matthew Stafford (24)</td> <td align="right">4,967</td> <td align="right">2012</td> <td align="right">DET</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">8.</td> <td>Eli Manning (30)</td> <td align="right">4,933</td> <td align="right">2011</td> <td align="right">NYG</td> </tr><tr class=""> <td align="right">9.</td> <td>Tony Romo (32)</td> <td align="right">4,903</td> <td align="right">2012</td> <td align="right">DA</td></tr></tbody></table>

Just because most of those QBs are putting up record-breaking yardage seasons, doesn't mean it's a formula for success. How many playoff wins do Romo and Stafford have? Apart from one Super Bowl run, the Saints have been horrible in the playoffs.

Yes, some QBs are putting up monster numbers. But last year, 7 of the 12 playoff teams were in the Top 11 in rushing. You don't think that means something?

Bearcat 09-26-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10022806)
This. Bottom line, there are lots of ways to win games.

Wilson doesn't put up huge stats, but he's a top QB. Elite doesn't mean stats. Elite means you make plays at critical points in the game.
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Russel Wilson threw for 385 yards 2TDs/1INT and still lost a 30-28 game in the playoffs. You can win a lot of regular season games all sorts of ways, because the league is so mediocre... but, when you start playing the big boys, you need to put up points.


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