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htismaqe 01-09-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9299379)
To me, 4 is enough and anything more than 8 would be awful.

4 really isn't any different than what we have now.

DaKCMan AP 01-09-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 9299324)
There should be no independent teams. Everyone needs to be on the same playing field.

There is no such thing as a level playing field. There are strong conferences, weak conferences, independents, conferences with championship games, conferences without championship games, teams that play strong non-cons, teams that play weak non-cons, etc.

Bearcat 01-09-2013 09:54 AM

Terrible article.

ND had the highest computer ranking in the nation, so SoS wasn't an issue. Padding their schedule with USC? Hindsight is awesome. If it was so easy being independent, we wouldn't be arguing about it for the first time in 25 years. The SoS thing comes up just about every year... it has nothing to do with independent teams.

DaKCMan AP 01-09-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9299399)
4 really isn't any different than what we have now.

Sure it is.

In 2006 only OSU, UF, and Michigan were discussed as title-worth and then there are the "individuals" who wanted Boise St too. (3-4 teams)

2007 was a complete mess, even with an 8-team playoff.

In 2008 there were only 4 teams with 1-loss or less (Boise State excluded since they lost to undefeated Utah). (4 teams)

In 2009 there were 5 undefeated teams - Alabama, Texas, Cincinnati, TCU, and Boise State.

In 2010 there were only 3 undefeated teams. (3 teams)

In 2011 there were only 4 1-loss or less teams (1-loss Boise State & Houston excluded). (4 teams)

Does a 4 team playoff solve everything? No. But, in most years it's enough - and those years where it may seem like more is needed it's debatable.

notorious 01-09-2013 10:09 AM

16 - No Way

8 - Maybe, but it might let in team that shouldn't be there (sound familiar?), and it would lessen the importance of the season. I would love to have 3 weeks of college playoffs, though!

4- Good Start

htismaqe 01-09-2013 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9299427)
Sure it is.

In 2006 only OSU, UF, and Michigan were discussed as title-worth and then there are the "individuals" who wanted Boise St too. (3-4 teams)

2007 was a complete mess, even with an 8-team playoff.

In 2008 there were only 4 teams with 1-loss or less (Boise State excluded since they lost to undefeated Utah). (4 teams)

In 2009 there were 5 undefeated teams - Alabama, Texas, Cincinnati, TCU, and Boise State.

In 2010 there were only 3 undefeated teams. (3 teams)

In 2011 there were only 4 1-loss or less teams (1-loss Boise State & Houston excluded). (4 teams)

Does a 4 team playoff solve everything? No. But, in most years it's enough - and those years where it may seem like more is needed it's debatable.

The problem is that a 4-team playoff is fine when you look at the FIRST ROUND matchups, but mathematically 4 teams isn't enough to create good SECOND ROUND matchups.

Who wouldn't want to see Alabama, Georgia, Louisville, Oregon, Texas A&M, and Stanford in a playoff right now?

notorious 01-09-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9299445)

Who wouldn't want to see Alabama, Georgia, Louisville, Oregon, Texas A&M, and Stanford in a playoff right now?


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DaKCMan AP 01-09-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9299445)
The problem is that a 4-team playoff is fine when you look at the FIRST ROUND matchups, but mathematically 4 teams isn't enough to create good SECOND ROUND matchups.

Who wouldn't want to see Alabama, Georgia, Louisville, Oregon, Texas A&M, and Stanford in a playoff right now?

You can't look at it that way. You have to look at it prior to the bowls. If you had a true 8-team playoff, Louisville & Florida would never have played.

The 4-team playoff this year would have been:

Notre Dame v. Oregon
Alabama v. Florida

2nd round probably would have been Oregon v. Alabama.

Win.

munkey 01-09-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 9299069)
Because they were the only undefeated team this year?

Not talking about this year...I'm not a Boise State fan but they are in a conference of which they've won and gone undefeated numerous years yet never given a shot at the title. I admit their schedule has been as cupcake as ND's in the past but that still doesn't explain it...

notorious 01-09-2013 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9299455)
You can't look at it that way. You have to look at it prior to the bowls. If you had a true 8-team playoff, Louisville & Florida would never have played.

The 4-team playoff this year would have been:

Notre Dame v. Oregon
Alabama v. Florida

2nd round probably would have been Oregon v. Alabama.

Win.

What about Kansas State?!

DaKCMan AP 01-09-2013 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by munkey (Post 9299456)
Not talking about this year...I'm not a Boise State fan but they are in a conference of which they've won and gone undefeated numerous years yet never given a shot at the title. I admit their schedule has been as cupcake as ND's in the past but that still doesn't explain it...

Yes it does.

htismaqe 01-09-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9299455)
You can't look at it that way. You have to look at it prior to the bowls. If you had a true 8-team playoff, Louisville & Florida would never have played.

The 4-team playoff this year would have been:

Notre Dame v. Oregon
Alabama v. Florida

2nd round probably would have been Oregon v. Alabama.

Win.

Right, and one could argue with hindsight that Florida should have never been there, based on what happened with Louisville.

Sure, Alabama vs. Oregon would have been more entertaining than ND vs. Bama was. But those 2 hypothetical first round games STINK.

DaKCMan AP 01-09-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9299458)
What about Kansas State?!

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9299092)
Meh. At the end of the season A&M and Louisville both had two losses. K-State would have been the only 1-loss (debatable deserving) team left out and, consequently, they'd be the only 1-loss team that was 1) blown out and 2) blown out by an unranked team.

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munkey 01-09-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9299455)
You can't look at it that way. You have to look at it prior to the bowls. If you had a true 8-team playoff, Louisville & Florida would never have played.

The 4-team playoff this year would have been:

Notre Dame v. Oregon
Alabama v. Florida

2nd round probably would have been Oregon v. Alabama.

Win.

This....

notorious 01-09-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9299465)
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LMAO


Just baiting ya, buddy. They obviously didn't deserve to be in a playoff.


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