The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll
 

Scenario (hypothetical):

It has become obvious that the Chiefs will pass on a QB with the top pick and will address the QB need (a) later in round 1, (b) in round 2, or (c) by signing a veteran. No trade down is planned either.

There seems to be the following three names on top of the draft. Among these three which one would you want the Chiefs to use their 1st pick on:

1- LT Luke Joekel (meaning Albert will walk)

2- DE Star Lotulelei (meaning T-Jax will be cut)

3- Jarvis Jones (meaning we are thinking transition to 43 soon)

4- Other (name and explain)

KEEP IN MIND

This is not a Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson discussion. Keep that argument in the hundreds of other threads about it. This is about IF WE DON'T PICK A QB AT THE TOP! Just curious to know which of the picks mentioned makes more sense compared to the others IYO. If you are a staunch Geno fan, for example, this does not paint you as a traitor to the cause.

Tyler > Geno

:p

Why exactly would drafting Jarvis Jones mean that we are transitioning to a 4-3? He's a 3-4 OLB.

It has????

There is no other pick. There is no need on this team greater than our need at quarterback. Don't buy the talk the windowlickers throw out about how no QB is worth the top pick this year. If a QB is good enough to be picked anywhere in the top 20, then for this team, he's good enough to be picked first overall.

FYI,

I myself have picked Lotulelei in that scenario. Just think there's a better chance of keeping Albert than keeping T-Jax.

Damontre Moore then. Can never have enough pass rushers.

It really doesn't as the only possibility. I just didn't have room to mention others like a pass rushing rotation ala Giants (though in a 34), and grooming a young guy to take over for Tamba eventually.

For ****'s sake, why?

This is what is wrong with this fan base. Ignore the most important position on the field just to throw another ****ing defensive tackle from a high pick into the mix. This is how we've become programmed over the years.

I sincerely hope you're trolling, Frankie.

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How come "smack babies" isn't one of poll choices?

**** it, I won't even care. Draft Milliner I guess then.

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Demontre Moore, DE/OLB Texas A&M

this gives mother****er a WHOLE new meaning, by the way.

Which one of THE OTHER TWO do you prefer then? Joekel or Jones? Tell you what, name anybody else who is NOT A QB per the conditions of this topic.

If we don't take a quarterback first overall, then I will have my doubts if we have upgraded over the last regime with the new regime.

Joeckel reminds me of Robert Gallery coming out of Iowa. He only gave up one sack his entire college career, then proceeded to suck so bad at tackle that htey moved himto guard. Just re-sign Albert and be done with it.

In this sad hypothetical, give me the best pass rusher between Jones and Moore. Then give me a fifth of 151 rum to drown my sorrows in.

i don't know, man...i really think they need to take a qb.
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Demontre Moore.

Hali's not getting younger and he's only one more lost step away from not being an effective standup pass-rusher anymore, IMO.

Moore serves a season-long apprenticeship under Hali with the idea that Hali eventually moves back to the D-line as a 1-gap 3-4 end (though at 6'3'' without a monster reach, he may not make that transition terribly well).

Really, the answer should probably be Joeckel. If you don't take the QB, you take the LT instead and use the money you save by not re-signing Albert to perhaps re-do some contracts in a manner that will allow us some clean cap space for the next couple of years (hoping that a good FA QB option surfaces), but I just cannot get myself to say 'draft Joeckel'.

The answer is to take the damn quarterback.

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This

And definitely this

This. There is no other option to selecting a QB except giving up hope.

It used to be in the last 20 years that only three positions justified a #1 pick: QB, LT, or pass rusher.

The NFL has evolved and the positional value of a QB is now far greater than it was when "conventional wisdom" came up with the foregoing.

QB is success-determinative. There is no other position on the field that will dictate success. You can win by using an average LT easier than winning with an average QB.

It has to be a QB for a team whose most desperate need is QB. It is too bad that there is no consensus QB superstar in this draft, but the choices are good enough to justify taking the QB #1.

we have a top 7 LT

we have 3 probowl LBs

we've spent 3 top 11 picks on the DL in 5 years, including last ****ing year

i can't even hypothetically entertain such a ****ing disaster scenario

If no QB, the pick is Milliner, and it's not close. Then, I'm assuming we're drafting a QB in round 2.

I won't immediately call for the heads of Reid and Dorsey, but they have to be right. That round 2 QB would have to be tits, and he'd have to achieve this status in year one.

If the Chiefs pass on a QB at #1 overall, I expect them to trade back and take Milliner. He has the potential to be an above average starter opposite Flowers, which would only leave a few holes on defense to fill (Safety and ILB).

In this scenario...

I probably stop fucking paying attention to the Chiefs, because it looks like this regime is just like the last one (at least in my mind).

None.

Kill it with fire.

Dee Milliner. We be hurtin' at CB.

I would kind of agree with the Milliner pick if for some reason every promising quarterback in college football was killed in a series of improbable plane crashes.

Why do you think it's become obvious that a QB will not be taken #1?

Why would we want to keep T-Jax?? Other than a one year vet minimum why resign the abomonation of a draft pick?

Yeah....this is probably right now that I think about it.

Milliner helps us in both the short and long terms. I like Moore, but I really do think he needs to displace Hali to be effective and then I don't see where Hali goes. So really, Moore becomes a sub-package player for the foreseeable future.

Milliner is an immediate impact player that also plays a pretty critical position.

Yeah, I'd go with Dee.

i just picked from the 3 listed; if we were taking one of those, I go with Jones.

this is all assuming a lot of course; primarily that Albert is retained to a long term deal.

wow, SOMEBODY got the Frankie's mom joke! YES!

all he watches is ESPN and all he listens to dipshit draft guys

**** you. I'd draft Geno Smith twice.

would he bring the chocolate pain to frankie and/or his mother?

At least Milliner would make sense. I went with Jarvis Jones. And I could live with Star. But everything feels empty unless the QB is there. Honestly id rather trade down to #8 for example and take Nassib or Glennon then draft anybody else. Its a depressing scenario.

Why couldn't Damontre Moore bulk up a bunch and be that gap-penetrating DE we've been searching for all this time? He's got the arm length to do it, and his current weight is 250/260ish. He doesn't need to be a 300 lber in the 1-gap

I'd take Milliner from Bama,BPA with need in equation

In this hypothetical scenario where I have to choose someone other than a QB, I still choose Geno Smith.

If it isn't Smith, I won't even care anymore so I'll say Luke Joekel.

Put me on board with Millner as well. We are almost as bad at #2CB as we are at QB.

In this scenario I went with Star. We will have Albert and we do have Hali/Houston. But the real pick is Geno.

Cornerback, pass rusher or receiver.

We need all three, as DJ stated, Tamba isnt getting any younger and any measureable loss of quickness will really hurt him.

this

Eh, much below 290 would be pretty tough to play at for a 3-4 DE, even a 1-gapper. Adding 40 lbs would be a freakin' ton of weight and would almost certainly rob him of enough of his speed to make him significantly less effective in that regard.

I just don't think you end up with a very good player there.

QB or bust, **** your hypothetical.

That first sentence is disgusting btw.

Nassib and/or Glennon should be available at the top of the 2nd. At least one of them.

A cornerback? When has a cornerback ever gone #1 overall?

None. I won't settle for anything other than QB.

Their isn't a single other position that makes a lick of sense at the spot, so you've got to take a risk.

These ****s wouldn't have thought Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers worthy of this pick, so **** em.

Nassib or Barkley.

Didn't read the OP either.

Tell the racist dumb****s we are drafting Geno and moving him to reciever and they'll get on board....then play him at QB

I'll sig bet you that neither are available in the second round.

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depends on what happens w/ Albert

If no Albert...you have to draft the LT

If Albert resigns, then you go w/ Star

Do any of these players increase our offensive production?

What? no? Ok then, **** 'em, we don't need them.

But since i joined this thread to play along, i would take Star.

I didn't see this option so I'm not voting.

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Ice pick, please.

Here are the results for just one team...

http://www.chargers.com/news/article...4-f2fd357d0140

Thats quite a few in just 15 years or so.

There's literally no good pick, that's why Geno makes infinite sense. Hell, I've argued with myself that, hey, we could upgrade some position at #1 and trade into the 20s for a QB, but **** that, because who goes #1? Bookend tackles plus two Pro Bowl pass-rushers, and a donut draft at WR and CB? Only the Chiefs.

I like Moore, but it just doesn't make sense.

I'd rather pick my nose TBH

Geno is a good pick. I'm not going to take this thread off-topic though. I just want Frankie to come back and accept my sig bet.

He's going to look good with some Boxxy.

CB Milliner would be my pick then.

Though it would be funny seeing Frankie's face in your sig doing the same motion as Box ROFL

I'd chuckle at it.

Damontre Moore and then trade a 4th round pick to move back into the 20-25 range and select Nassib/Wilson/Barkley.

I refuse to vote in idiot poll. No QB no vote.

refuse to vote.

A&M fan here. Milliner

A week ago I said it might be DT Star, now I am going with LT Joeckel because listening to Brandon albert whine on the radio last week struck me as, well, a guy that wasn't happy with what he was told by the new staff and is on his why out.

So, Albert out -- LT Joeckel in.

Joeckel is a good LT, he's going to be a good one in the NFL too. Dare I say on this board Joeckel is going to be better at LT than Brandon Albert ever will be. The man has good good feet and better hands. He has good technique, consistent leverage. Smart lineman.

No. You don't.

Wouldn't you, assuming the situation of the thread is applied? If we lose Albert and don't take a QB at 1, we better ****ing draft Joeckel.

I'm surprised Donald Stephenson's sphincter works right now, considering he was raped 24/7 at all times in December.

I can't describe how big of an abortion ending up with Jekyll as the number one pick would be. Wow...just wow. Talk about an absolute waste of a 2-14 season.

People should embrace other ways of obtaining offensive linemen.

Fans are so eager to pursue a QB via free agency or in other rounds of the draft. If we let Albert walk, why the **** can't we do the same at the LT position?

It's a double standard brought on by true fan tardery and fear of a star QB. That's it. That's all it's ever been. And it's something that KC fans need to get the **** over.

"You start by building the offensive line" is an outdated philosophy that needs to die in a fire

#1 overall, not just 1st round
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A cornerstone left tackle will help make any quarterback we find ourselves with look good. Acquire a hall of famer like Willie Roaf, and all of a sudden Trent Green becomes Trent Green. Mmmm

Why? In that scenario we don't have a QB or a starting LT. Why does LT have to come before QB. It's like everyone's memories are erased after every season. People remember the results but have no memory of our QB's part in our franchise's history.