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Brock 06-22-2012 04:06 PM

July 12 - Your ISP starts monitoring your downloads
 
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/...rting-july-12/

BigMeatballDave 06-22-2012 04:11 PM

I just love how the government goes out of their way to protect Corporate America.

jspchief 06-22-2012 04:11 PM

Why in god's name would ISPs cave to RIAA lobbying?

BigMeatballDave 06-22-2012 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 8695776)
Why in god's name would ISPs cave to RIAA lobbying?

$

Brock 06-22-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8695775)
I just love how the government goes out of their way to protect Corporate America.

This is actually one part of corporate america protecting another part of corporate america. I'm pretty much okay with it, depending on the particulars of how this is going to be done.

BigMeatballDave 06-22-2012 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8695785)
This is actually one part of corporate america protecting another part of corporate america. I'm pretty much okay with it, depending on the particulars of how this is going to be done.

This affects me in no way. I don't use any peer-to-peer stuff.

I just hate the internet being ****ed with, and people monitoring my shit.

Live and let live.

KChiefer 06-22-2012 04:23 PM

ISPs, good luck selling your "blazing fast" connection prices when very few people will have a need for it. I wonder, has anyone ever gotten a copyright violation notice for pron?

007 06-22-2012 06:01 PM

Guess I better to get a second DVR now. Any shows that I watch that conflict with my wifes shows I just download and watch on my tablet.

BigMeatballDave 06-22-2012 06:06 PM

My son downloads torrents at home in Florida.

I wonder if I should pass this info along to his Mother?

:hmmm:

Brock 06-22-2012 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8695991)
My son downloads torrents at home in Florida.

I wonder if I should pass this info along to his Mother?

:hmmm:

I wouldn't.

BigMeatballDave 06-22-2012 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8695997)
I wouldn't.

:D

Fish 06-22-2012 08:14 PM

Lots of ways around that......

Hammock Parties 06-22-2012 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8696380)
Lots of ways around that......

Peer guardian?

BigMeatballDave 06-22-2012 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8696380)
Lots of ways around that......

How?

007 06-22-2012 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8696380)
Lots of ways around that......

do direct downloads over P2P. Of course, they may be preparing for that too.

Saulbadguy 06-22-2012 10:05 PM

There isn't much you can do to stop this.

MMXcalibur 06-22-2012 10:15 PM

Welp, it was a good run...

BigRock 06-23-2012 04:21 AM

The OP article is dated mid-March. I just saw this a few weeks ago. The person who posted it usually knows his stuff, but I can't speak to the accuracy of it all.

Quote:

after all of the initial july 12th hooplah ended, it was pointed out that nobody actually said anything was going to happen on july 12. then in may reports came out that the summer in general was wildly optimistic and nothing's happening until at least the end of the year.

if you haven't already heard about it, the big implemention is the "six strikes" policy. but if you already download things, odds are good are that nothing's going to change for you.

the onus is still upon the companies being infringed to contact isps and alert them to their content being shared. or more specifically, those companies will hire an outside firm to do it for them. but when this was first talked about over a year ago, there were wild reports about isps installing software that would recognize copyrighted content regardless of where it was being downloaded from. um, no. someone still has to catch you.

the company catches your ip downloading their content, they contact your isp. your isp contacts you and lets you know. that's strike one. strikes two and three are the same, except after strike three you have to confirm to your isp that you received the notice.

after the third strike you run the risk of some form of punishment by your isp, like having your account throttled or temporarily disconnected. but your account isn't going to be cancelled, that's been clear since day one. why would the isp cancel your service? They want to make money. they have no reason to shut you off unless the riaa/mpaa starts suing the isps themselves. after six strikes, you won't even get notices anymore.

but continued strikes can open you up to the possibility of the content providers asking your isp for your information so they can sue you. no small potatos, but this has already been going on for years anyway.

like i said, this probably isn't going to change anything for you. if you're still living in 2003 and you download from public trackers with nothing but peer guardian to protect you, it's amazing you haven't been bombarded with legal letters already. if you fit this description, you will have to adapt.

just be smart. get on private trackers. by no means is that foolproof since people collecting ips can join private trackers too, but it's a lot safer than a public tracker. and if you're a heavy torrent user, you're a fool not to have a seedbox or vpn at this point.

i've stuck to private trackers with a vpn for years now, and on account of moving i've had 3 different isps since 2010, two of which are notorious for sending legal letters. but i've never gotten a single notification from anyone and i download games, software, movies, music, porn, and everything else you could think of.

incidentally, this effort is entirely focused on bittorrent. this will only increase the amount of content being uploaded to the free download places like rapidshare, and what was supposed to be a big wipeout of those sites after megaupload went down has come to a screeching hault. so if this scares you away from bt, focus your downloading on those sites for a while.

and it goes without saying that bittorrent will be replaced by new technology in the next year or two anyway, rendering a lot of this meaningless.

BigRedChief 06-23-2012 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8696600)
There isn't much you can do to stop this.

No shit. Privacy on the internet is an illusion. You are violating the TSA or doing something illegal, they can find out. They just wont push it too far as to not make everyone paroniod about big brother. But, thats the dirty little secret. Big Brother is already alive and thriving.

Demonpenz 06-23-2012 10:34 AM

i have already been buying stuff just because it is simple to just click on stuff on xbox live than search around on torrent sites and wondering if it will have german subtitles and all that shit.

DJJasonp 06-23-2012 07:15 PM

Better stock up on some fresh pron!

Bowser 06-23-2012 11:26 PM

Huh. I figured they already did this, anyway.

ReynardMuldrake 06-24-2012 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8696411)
How?

Private trackers + Peerblock + encryption turned on.

They can still monitor bandwidth usage and what IP you're connected to, obviously, but they can't see what you're doing with it.

BillSelfsTrophycase 06-24-2012 04:09 AM

No more free porn?


Viva la revolucion!!!!!!!!!!!!

BigRedChief 06-24-2012 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 8698130)
Private trackers + Peerblock + encryption turned on.

They can still monitor bandwidth usage and what IP you're connected to, obviously, but they can't see what you're doing with it.

Dude, its still a ****ing datagram, if the ISP and or the government wants to look at what is in that packet, they can easily. You are using an access point that they totally own. GEEEEZZZ :facepalm:

Mr. Laz 06-24-2012 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 8698130)
Private trackers + Peerblock + encryption turned on.

They can still monitor bandwidth usage and what IP you're connected to, obviously, but they can't see what you're doing with it.

none of that does anything about your ISP ... they can see everything.

BigRedChief 06-24-2012 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8698312)
none of that does anything about your ISP ... they can see everything.

Working with some of the best techs in the world the last two years has taught me that techs with a little bit of knowledge way overestimate their capabilites and underestimate the capabilites of others for say........... payback and subturfuge.

Pasta Giant Meatball 06-24-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillSelfsTrophycase (Post 8698150)
No more free porn?


Viva la revolucion!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amateur streaming videos FTW

BryanBusby 06-25-2012 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8696411)
How?

Usenet on a SSL connection.

Imon Yourside 06-25-2012 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8699927)
Usenet on a SSL connection.

;)

Fish 06-25-2012 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8699927)
Usenet on a SSL connection.

That's about the best you can do... :thumb:

Saulbadguy 06-25-2012 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 8698130)
Private trackers + Peerblock + encryption turned on.

They can still monitor bandwidth usage and what IP you're connected to, obviously, but they can't see what you're doing with it.

:LOL:

Micjones 06-25-2012 09:45 AM

I'm wondering how 2nd hand downloads will be affected.

Most of what I download has been ripped, encoded to mp3 and uploaded by someone else.

And I rarely download albums. I typically only download individual songs.

Fish 06-25-2012 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 8700133)
I'm wondering how 2nd hand downloads will be affected.

Most of what I download has been ripped, encoded to mp3 and uploaded by someone else.

And I rarely download albums. I typically only download individual songs.

Despite this recent scare warning, it still boils down to the content owner(RIAA, MPAA, etc.) finding something copyrighted that's being shared, and recording all the IP addresses that are downloading from the source that they found.

So it doesn't matter if what you're downloading has been ripped into a different format. If the content owner finds it being shared online, and can prove that it's their material, and can see your IP address connected to it, then they can contact your ISP and say "The user with this IP at this date and time was downloading our copyrighted material, please do something about it."

The ISPs have, and have always had, the ability to see exactly what you're accessing online. Simply because they control your flow of information. Everything you do online, every bit of data, must pass through their hardware. So they do have a great deal of control. But the good thing is that ISPs still don't want to be the internet police. It takes up way to much of their resources, slows down their overall bandwidth by a lot, and pisses off or at least scares their existing paying customers. So no matter how the RIAA or MPAA lawyers claim that the ISPs are gonna start "going after" you, the ISPs themselves will still be reluctant to do anything without the copyright owners pestering and threatening them about it.

Peerblock is next to worthless these days. But there are things that still work effectively. As has been said, the safest method is Usenet groups, with SSL enabled. If you insist on torrenting, consider BTGuard. Click the link for more info.

Micjones 06-25-2012 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8700164)
Despite this recent scare warning, it still boils down to the content owner(RIAA, MPAA, etc.) finding something copyrighted that's being shared, and recording all the IP addresses that are downloading from the source that they found.

So it doesn't matter if what you're downloading has been ripped into a different format. If the content owner finds it being shared online, and can prove that it's their material, and can see your IP address connected to it, then they can contact your ISP and say "The user with this IP at this date and time was downloading our copyrighted material, please do something about it."

The ISPs have, and have always had, the ability to see exactly what you're accessing online. Simply because they control your flow of information. Everything you do online, every bit of data, must pass through their hardware. So they do have a great deal of control. But the good thing is that ISPs still don't want to be the internet police. It takes up way to much of their resources, slows down their overall bandwidth by a lot, and pisses off or at least scares their existing paying customers. So no matter how the RIAA or MPAA lawyers claim that the ISPs are gonna start "going after" you, the ISPs themselves will still be reluctant to do anything without the copyright owners pestering and threatening them about it.

Peerblock is next to worthless these days. But there are things that still work effectively. As has been said, the safest method is Usenet groups, with SSL enabled. If you insist on torrenting, consider BTGuard. Click the link for more info.

Great points.

Piracy will always exist.
Might change forms, but ultimately people will always find a way to get their hands on copyrighted media (without paying for it).

Brock 06-25-2012 11:16 AM

I had assumed ISPs had agreed to do this with compensation from RIAA.

WoodDraw 06-25-2012 11:19 AM

Wasn't a lot of this a result of the ISPs getting pissed at the rights holders? They were being subpoenaed for their customers' names in all of these legal cases, which pissed off the customers obviously but also gave them a ton of work.

So this was a compromise - stop suing all of our customers, especially first time offenders and people your going to look like assholes going after, and we'll proactively tell them they're doing illegal stuff. That's the way I remember it anyway.

kaplin42 06-25-2012 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8695775)
I just love how the government goes out of their way to protect Corporate America.

Government is run by Coprorate America. It's really just protecting itself.

kaplin42 06-25-2012 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8700164)
Despite this recent scare warning, it still boils down to the content owner(RIAA, MPAA, etc.) finding something copyrighted that's being shared, and recording all the IP addresses that are downloading from the source that they found.

So it doesn't matter if what you're downloading has been ripped into a different format. If the content owner finds it being shared online, and can prove that it's their material, and can see your IP address connected to it, then they can contact your ISP and say "The user with this IP at this date and time was downloading our copyrighted material, please do something about it."

The ISPs have, and have always had, the ability to see exactly what you're accessing online. Simply because they control your flow of information. Everything you do online, every bit of data, must pass through their hardware. So they do have a great deal of control. But the good thing is that ISPs still don't want to be the internet police. It takes up way to much of their resources, slows down their overall bandwidth by a lot, and pisses off or at least scares their existing paying customers. So no matter how the RIAA or MPAA lawyers claim that the ISPs are gonna start "going after" you, the ISPs themselves will still be reluctant to do anything without the copyright owners pestering and threatening them about it.

Peerblock is next to worthless these days. But there are things that still work effectively. As has been said, the safest method is Usenet groups, with SSL enabled. If you insist on torrenting, consider BTGuard. Click the link for more info.

A point that is being missed that was mentions in the second article is a seedbox. if one must torrent, use a seedbox. p2p traffic goes to the box, then from the box to your computer in a normal download type of traffic. be smart and don't download 100's of gigs a month, and you should draw no flags.

ShowtimeSBMVP 06-25-2012 11:43 AM

Can't you just leave your wireless router without a password? If they come after you just say that your neighbor must be leeching off you? They can't prove it was me then.

Setsuna 06-25-2012 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8700365)
Can't you just leave your wireless router without a password? If they come after you just say that your neighbor must be leeching off you? They can't prove it was me then.

They can if they find those files on your HDD.

Brock 06-25-2012 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 8700372)
They can if they find those files on your HDD.

How are they going to do that?

QuikSsurfer 06-25-2012 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8700365)
Can't you just leave your wireless router without a password? If they come after you just say that your neighbor must be leeching off you? They can't prove it was me then.

lol No...

Brock 06-25-2012 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8700365)
Can't you just leave your wireless router without a password? If they come after you just say that your neighbor must be leeching off you? They can't prove it was me then.

There will definitely be alot of it going on where there is public wifi. In any case, I'm sure you're going to be held accountable for what comes through the wire plugged into your house, whether its secured or not.

Fish 06-25-2012 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8700365)
Can't you just leave your wireless router without a password? If they come after you just say that your neighbor must be leeching off you? They can't prove it was me then.

Foolproof!

ROFL

Fish 06-25-2012 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 8700343)
A point that is being missed that was mentions in the second article is a seedbox. if one must torrent, use a seedbox. p2p traffic goes to the box, then from the box to your computer in a normal download type of traffic. be smart and don't download 100's of gigs a month, and you should draw no flags.

Well, that's exactly what BTGuard does, that I mentioned in my post. It's just a Proxy server.

BigRedChief 06-25-2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8699927)
Usenet on a SSL connection.

see post #22.
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/b...g-it-wrong.jpg

Brock 06-25-2012 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8701057)

Post #22 doesn't say anything about it.

-King- 06-26-2012 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8701057)

LMAO Irony

BryanBusby 06-26-2012 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8701057)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8698044)
Huh. I figured they already did this, anyway.

So uh, what the **** am I suppose to be seeing here?

Imon Yourside 06-26-2012 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8701740)
So uh, what the **** am I suppose to be seeing here?

I looked, then I lol'd...still not sure if serious...

Lex Luthor 06-30-2012 11:16 PM

I've downloaded quite a few things using Bit Torrents. Today I got a letter from my ISP (SureWest). It read like this:

Quote:

Dear Subscriber,

We have received the following information from Irdeto (fka BayTSP.COM) that someone at a location matching your on-line IP address downloaded unauthorized copies of the following copyrighted works:

Title: The.Change-Up.2011.BRRip.x264.KiD-SCTeam
Infringing Source: BitTorrent
Infringing URL: antipiracy@nbcuni.com

If you or someone at your address downloaded these works, please be aware that the download may be in violation of copyright laws. If you believe that this information was received in error or for assistance in correcting this matter; please contact our offices at the email address or number below. Please be advised that it is the policy of SureWest Broadband to comply with all copyright and trademark laws and to terminate in appropriate circumstances the accounts of subscribers who repeatedly infringe these laws. Please be advised that copyright infringement may also subject you to civil liability to the copyright holder.

Sincerely,

SureWest Security Administration
Abuse Department
dmcanotices@surewest.com
1.866.787.3937


If you've been downloading copyrighted content and you thought it was safe to do so prior to July 12th, go check your mailbox. You may have a similar letter waiting for you.

pr_capone 06-30-2012 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 8712155)
I've downloaded quite a few things using Bit Torrents. Today I got a letter from my ISP (SureWest). It read like this:



If you've been downloading copyrighted content and you thought it was safe to do so prior to July 12th, go check your mailbox. You may have a similar letter waiting for you.

That letter from your ISP is nothing new. Look at the email addy on the infringing URL line. The complaint came from NBC... not your ISP.

Ultra Peanut 07-01-2012 01:06 AM

someone plx pm me invites to a repository of direct links and/or a private tracker that's not demonoid, ty

I got a letter once a long time ago, when I was still living with my mom, but it was because I went onto TPB to grab something that had aired ~12 hours prior because i couldn't find it anywhere else.

pr_capone 07-01-2012 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 8712265)
someone plx pm me invites to a repository of direct links and/or a private tracker that's not demonoid, ty

I got a letter once a long time ago, when I was still living with my mom, but it was because I went onto TPB to grab something that had aired ~12 hours prior because i couldn't find it anywhere else.

why not demonoid? you don't like them or you already have an acct?

Ultra Peanut 07-01-2012 01:22 AM

It's kind of both, but mostly the latter.

pr_capone 07-01-2012 01:34 AM

too bad... they are pretty much my goto torrent. If I come acros an invite someone where I'll hit you up.

Dayze 07-01-2012 01:49 AM

I can save them a lot of trouble. xnxx.com
....or so I've heard.

boom done.

Boon 07-02-2012 11:48 AM

I am interested in the Usenet on a SSL connection, mentioned in this thread. Anyone have a link to a good primer on this? TIA

Imon Yourside 07-02-2012 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon (Post 8714349)
I am interested in the Usenet on a SSL connection, mentioned in this thread. Anyone have a link to a good primer on this? TIA

WWW.EASYNEWS.COM

Fish 07-02-2012 12:52 PM

Easynews is great. They're a block based site, so you pay per bandwidth used. If you don't know how much you would use, and don't want to pay for what you're not using, then block based pricing in the way to go.

I use Supernews. $12 unlimited use. SSL. Works great.

Binverse is a good one for noobs. It's really easy to use, has a built in search, and it's cheap. It also offers a trial period if you want to check it out.

Thundernews is supposed to be pretty good too. With lots of different package options, some block based and some not.

Boon 07-02-2012 01:06 PM

First, thanks for the answers. The answers bring up more questions. As it always does. Regarding the four products you mention, I assume these are Usenet sites. Is some sort of newsreader needed also? Looking over the Easynews site it looks like it is used with a web browser. I assume this eliminates the need for a separate "reader". Is this correct? Again, thanks.

Brock 07-02-2012 01:09 PM

I had easynews as far back as about 10 years ago. It was a very no frills setup, all through the browser back then.

Saulbadguy 07-02-2012 01:19 PM

Usenet is for creepy perverts.

Brock 07-02-2012 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8714544)
Usenet is for creepy perverts.

LMAO could be. But I downloaded thousands of CDs worth of music off of there.

Imon Yourside 07-02-2012 01:26 PM

Once you graduate from easynews you can step up to the best that is www.Giganews.com. Also you can get a premium news service and use SABNZBD to use it through your browser.

This was posted for educational purposes only. :)

Fish 07-02-2012 01:27 PM

Yeah... many of the new ones, including Easynews and Binverse, have their own web app reader which eliminates the need for a separate Newsreader app. But you can still use a separate Newsreader app if you'd like.

Usenet access requires a reader to "read" the newsgroups. Essentially that just lets you get the current updated listing of all the files people have uploaded. On top of the reader, you'll need a way to search the newsgroups for what you want to download. Lots of newsgroup readers will do both functions, reading and searching. The new sites will do all of that in their web-based client. If you want to keep it simple, just choose one that allows you to do everything from their web page.

Imon Yourside 07-02-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8714568)
Yeah... many of the new ones, including Easynews and Binverse, have their own web app reader which eliminates the need for a separate Newsreader app. But you can still use a separate Newsreader app if you'd like.

Usenet access requires a reader to "read" the newsgroups. Essentially that just lets you get the current updated listing of all the files people have uploaded. On top of the reader, you'll need a way to search the newsgroups for what you want to download. Lots of newsgroup readers will do both functions, reading and searching. The new sites will do all of that in their web-based client. If you want to keep it simple, just choose one that allows you to do everything from their web page.

http://www.binsearch.info/

Imon Yourside 07-02-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8714544)
Usenet is for creepy perverts.

The same could be said about life in general. :p

Swanman 07-02-2012 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon (Post 8714517)
First, thanks for the answers. The answers bring up more questions. As it always does. Regarding the four products you mention, I assume these are Usenet sites. Is some sort of newsreader needed also? Looking over the Easynews site it looks like it is used with a web browser. I assume this eliminates the need for a separate "reader". Is this correct? Again, thanks.

Like Killer Clown, I use Giganews with their VPN. I use the website nzbmatrix.com to find usenet downloads. It downloads a .nzb file that I then open up in a program called Grabit that goes ahead and downloads the file.

Fish 07-02-2012 02:13 PM

I use Newsbin Pro for listing and searching.

Imon Yourside 07-02-2012 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 8714701)
I use Newsbin Pro for listing and searching.

I use that too, but i seem to see a lot errors and the newer versions are clunky and hard to get around in.

lcarus 07-03-2012 10:17 AM

My brother uses a VPN (not sure which one) and downloads torrents. Haven't gotten a letter since.

pr_capone 07-09-2012 11:33 PM

Hey... here is a fun fact. Cox, the 3rd largest ISP in the US, has not agreed to this. Cox, the customer friendly ISP.

Saulbadguy 07-10-2012 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8729205)
Hey... here is a fun fact. Cox, the 3rd largest ISP in the US, has not agreed to this. Cox, the customer friendly ISP.

Cox has been a much better ISP than a cable provider.

mikeyis4dcats. 07-10-2012 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8729205)
Hey... here is a fun fact. Cox, the 3rd largest ISP in the US, has not agreed to this. Cox, the customer friendly ISP.

eh, I've gotten 2 or 3 warnings over the years with Cox, so they DO deliver them.

Nobody was ever going to cut you off....

kaplin42 07-10-2012 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 8729809)
eh, I've gotten 2 or 3 warnings over the years with Cox, so they DO deliver them.

Nobody was ever going to cut you off....

We also have to understand, there are millions of people who have internet. To try and monitor, tag them all and send out letters would have to be a daunting task.

Recieving or not may just be like winning the lottery.

pr_capone 07-10-2012 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 8729809)
eh, I've gotten 2 or 3 warnings over the years with Cox, so they DO deliver them.

Nobody was ever going to cut you off....

*sigh*

Yes, if the copyright holder complains, they have to take action. That is not the gist of the article. Many ISPs are now actively seeking out violators of their own volition. Cox does not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by article
Comcast, Cablevision, Verizon, Time Warner Cable and other Internet service providers (ISPs) in the United States will soon launch new programs to police their networks in an effort to catch digital pirates and stop illegal file-sharing.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/03/...#ixzz20FFVkcN5

Cox is *NOT* doing what is in bold.

ReynardMuldrake 07-10-2012 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8698226)
Dude, its still a ****ing datagram, if the ISP and or the government wants to look at what is in that packet, they can easily. You are using an access point that they totally own. GEEEEZZZ :facepalm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8698312)
none of that does anything about your ISP ... they can see everything.

How is an ISP supposed to see what you're downloading? Yes they can put packet sniffers on the line but that's not going to be much help with encrypted traffic. Obviously the bandwidth pattern will indicate torrenting but they have no way of knowing whether it's legit. There are a number of legit uses for torrents, how are they going to tell the difference?

Typically, the C&D letters are coming from the copyright holders, who hire people to go on public trackers and monitor all of the IPs uploading files they hold a copyright on. They then send notice to the ISP that sends the C&D to the customer. None of that will work on a private tracker.

So again, how would they know what you're downloading? The news articles mention some mysterious new countermeasure, but none of them give any details. The whole thing sounds like a scare tactic to me.

BigRedChief 07-10-2012 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 8730111)
How is an ISP supposed to see what you're downloading? Yes they can put packet sniffers on the line but that's not going to be much help with encrypted traffic. Obviously the bandwidth pattern will indicate torrenting but they have no way of knowing whether it's legit. There are a number of legit uses for torrents, how are they going to tell the difference?

Typically, the C&D letters are coming from the copyright holders, who hire people to go on public trackers and monitor all of the IPs uploading files they hold a copyright on. They then send notice to the ISP that sends the C&D to the customer. None of that will work on a private tracker.

So again, how would they know what you're downloading? The news articles mention some mysterious new countermeasure, but none of them give any details. The whole thing sounds like a scare tactic to me.

no offense dude but please reread post #27. No matter who you are, there is always someone smarter than yourself.


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