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chiefzilla1501 06-18-2015 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11554837)
Bullshit. If nobody is at fault, the Royals shouldn't pay the guy one dime. I hate this culture that people deserve shit. If someone is at my house, and they fall down the ****ing stairs and hurt themself. I'm not paying for their ****ing medical bills.

That is your house. Not a business. If you have a business and someone slips and falls in your store because of something that could have been avoided, you could sue and you would win. And rightfully so. If the floor is too slippery to walk, then it wasn't your fault you fell.

The guy didn't want a hot dog. Common sense says if hr doesn't want it, then don't throw it to him. Let alone throw it hard with no arc. Let alone behind the back. Let alone in foil vs bubble wrap, which was advised.

gblowfish 06-18-2015 11:23 AM

What a drag it would be to be known as "Coomer the Hot Dog Douche."

chiefzilla1501 06-18-2015 11:27 AM

Here's another hypothetical. Mascot wasn't looking at where he was throwing. What if he threw it to a 4 year old. Or someone who was disabled and had poor reflexes.

Again, why in the world would you throw that shit behind your back?

Bob Dole 06-18-2015 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11554902)
That is your house. Not a business. If you have a business and someone slips and falls in your store because of something that could have been avoided, you could sue and you would win. And rightfully so. If the floor is too slippery to walk, then it wasn't your fault you fell.

It isn't that cut and dried.

If Bob Dole has 20 customers in the store and someone spills their Icee, there is no expectation that Bob Dole stop everything immediately and mop up the mess.

And don't think people have not spilled their own shit and then slipped in it on purpose.

BossChief 06-18-2015 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 11554907)
What a drag it would be to be known as "Coomer the Hot Dog Douche."

I don't have all the details and haven't read through the thread...but from the limited info I have it seems he didn't do anything wrong by asking for his medical to be paid after being injured at the ballpark by something with nothing to do with the game.

BossChief 06-18-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 11554932)
It isn't that cut and dried.

If Bob Dole has 20 customers in the store and someone spills their Icee, there is no expectation that Bob Dole stop everything immediately and mop up the mess.

And don't think people have not spilled their own shit and then slipped in it on purpose.

That's not negligence.

Negligence is someone spilling their ice on the floor and someone slipping on it an hour later after the store had ample time to clean up the mess...or at least put up "wet floor" signs.

BWillie 06-18-2015 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11554914)
Here's another hypothetical. Mascot wasn't looking at where he was throwing. What if he threw it to a 4 year old. Or someone who was disabled and had poor reflexes.

Again, why in the world would you throw that shit behind your back?

Did you see the diagram of where the hot dog was thrown from, how far it traveled, and what visible obstructions if any were between Coomer and the Slugger? Do you know all of the other variables involved?

Yeah, unfortunately if it was a 4 year old or a disabled person, the court would have probably made them pay. Which is stupid. It SHOULDNT matter who it was, or what it was, but you know, feelings. I'm sure the jury would have been much more sympathetic to a child or a woman. Unfortunately that's just how the world works. More logic, less feelings IMO.

chiefzilla1501 06-18-2015 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11554968)
Did you see the diagram of where the hot dog was thrown from, how far it traveled, and what visible obstructions if any were between Coomer and the Slugger? Do you know all of the other variables involved?

Yeah, unfortunately if it was a 4 year old or a disabled person, the court would have probably made them pay. Which is stupid. It SHOULDNT matter who it was, or what it was, but you know, feelings. I'm sure the jury would have been much more sympathetic to a child or a woman. Unfortunately that's just how the world works. More logic, less feelings IMO.

In fairness, no I have not seen diagrams. Only that it was behind his back, supposedly "no look", and was thrown with low arc.

I just see the standard as this... If a fan doesn't want a hot dog, don't throw it at him. It would be one thing for me if the Mascot just tossed it and missed. It's another to just wing hot dogs around with little control over where they're going. The hot dog could have been tossed underhand. Should have been tossed with more arc (slugrrrr admitted to this). Should have been tossed to someone who was paying attention to him. If we go a step further, it could have easily have been wrapped in bubble wrap, which is how most of these promotions go. So there were several areas where the Royals but especially the employee were careless. I get it wasn't intentional negligence but it's still negligence.

kepp 06-18-2015 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11554890)
Only if your policy has medical payments to others (which doesn't have to do with liability) and many times is optional. The insurance company doesn't owe you a thing under the liability of the policy, because you know, you weren't at fault for someone falling down your stairs. Just because someone's property gets damaged on your property, from something from your property, or someone is hurt at your property does not automatically mean you are liable.

You're acting like you would have a choice whether to pay someone or not for getting hurt on your property. You wouldn't. The person's medical insurance company would absolutely attempt to recover the money either from your homeowner's insurance, or by suing you directly.

BWillie 06-18-2015 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 11555243)
You're acting like you would have a choice whether to pay someone or not for getting hurt on your property. You wouldn't. The person's medical insurance company would absolutely attempt to recover the money either from your homeowner's insurance, or by suing you directly.

The suit wouldn't be successful unless the homeowner or business owner was liable. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Most homeowners policies that have medical payments for others are capped at a very low amount (ie $1000), and is just there for small accidental incidents and to be used more or less as a goodwill measure. I believe in some instances/areas, people can opt completely out of that type of coverage for a lower premium. But surely your liability and homeowner's coverage is not paying for significant injuries to any visitor or friend at your home, unless you are literally at fault.

chiefzilla1501 06-18-2015 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11555371)
The suit wouldn't be successful unless the homeowner or business owner was liable. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Most homeowners policies that have medical payments for others are capped at a very low amount (ie $1000), and is just there for small accidental incidents and to be used more or less as a goodwill measure. I believe in some instances/areas, people can opt completely out of that type of coverage for a lower premium. But surely your liability and homeowner's coverage is not paying for significant injuries to any visitor or friend at your home, unless you are literally at fault.

1) the Royals employee was clearly at fault. If not for the Royal employee, the fan would have never been hurt. There's that standard. So it's not the same as your example where it's just a casual slip and fall. In this case, the injury happened because somebody else contributed to it
2) the accident could have been avoided. The Royals could have bubble wrapped the hot dogs and the mascot could and shouldn't have been throwing no-look, behind-the back tosses especially to people who weren't looking at him
3) homeowner's coverage is different from commercial property coverage. As a businessowner, you are liable for the safety of customers you invite into your place of business and you are held to a much higher standard. it's why all businesses have general liability insurance

If not for the mascot throwing the shit behind his back, I'd agree with you. For that matter, nobody probably gets hurt if the mascot throws the hot dog out there like a normal person. If anything, chances of accident are significantly reduced.

Bob Dole 06-18-2015 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11555887)
1) the Royals employee was clearly at fault.

And you are clearly wrong.

chiefzilla1501 06-18-2015 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 11555974)
And you are clearly wrong.

I don't see what's hard about this.

He threw a hot dog at a guy who never asked for one. And it's because he wasn't looking.

I find it funny that in this scenario, two guys weren't looking at each other. And the guy who gets blamed isn't the thrower... apparently it was the guy who didn't catch it. How does that make any sense?


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