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WV 10-25-2012 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by seclark (Post 9047602)
don't think so, thanks.
my sleep is ****ed up enough w/dreams, walking and talking. if i take something, i want it to knock me out. no dreams at all(that i can remember).
it just interests me when i hear of people talking about their dreams.

like sbg said, the mind is a powerful entity.
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Entertainment for the kids!

loochy 10-25-2012 08:08 AM
Although I do have to say that when I took it in college it DID do something to my sleep (not muscles though). I would go to sleep and wake up super early and I'd be wide wide awake. I had lots of dreams too. It's kind of weird.

And it WASN'T placebo because I didn't even know it was known to mess with sleep at the time (it was right when ZMA came out and I took it for the claimed test upping effects). The effect on sleep was very noticeable and it definitely wasn't a placebo. It took me a few weeks to draw a connection to what was messing with my sleep and it stopped when the ZMA ran out.

QuikSsurfer 10-25-2012 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 9047648)
Sleep is overrated for recovery. Food quantity/quality is much more important. I don't think I've had more than 5hr sleep/night since my daughter was born 9 months ago, and I still hit PR's. Shit I had 2 hours sleep last week and drove upstate with a buddy for a meet and still hit a 1200 total.
Wat?

loochy 10-25-2012 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 9047648)
Sleep is overrated for recovery. Food quantity/quality is much more important. I don't think I've had more than 5hr sleep/night since my daughter was born 9 months ago, and I still hit PR's. Shit I had 2 hours sleep last week and drove upstate with a buddy for a meet and still hit a 1200 total.
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Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer (Post 9047776)
Wat?
Get more sleep and you'll be even better?

htismaqe 10-25-2012 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9047683)
BTW buck...I haven't seen many posts from you lately? What happened?
Can't post...busy controlling dreams!

KCUnited 10-25-2012 08:16 AM
This sounds similar to my experiences with melatonin, better sleep, more vivid dreams. How do the 2 differ?

loochy 10-25-2012 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 9047790)
This sounds similar to my experiences with melatonin, better sleep, more vivid dreams. How do the 2 differ?
Melatonin is a hormone.

ZMA is a combo of Zinc, Magnesium, and B6.

FYI - more than half of Americans don't get enough Magnesium, so that's probably what's causing the effect.
http://www.longislanddiabetes.org/Mi...0for%20ADA.pdf

Frosty 10-25-2012 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9047675)
No joke I woke up freaking out because I was under arrest, was dehydrated, and the cop was making me drink milk. I don't consume sugars so it freaked me out.

I woke up and my mouth was super dry.

I've been gluten free for 6.5 years and I still have gluten nightmares, where I eat some bread or something then stop and think "oh, wait!" and hunker down to wait for the pain to start. I am so relieved when I wake up and realize it's a dream. LMAO

Buck 10-25-2012 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9047820)
I've been gluten free for 6.5 years and I still have gluten nightmares, where I eat some bread or something then stop and think "oh, wait!" and hunker down to wait for the pain to start. I am so relieved when I wake up and realize it's a dream. LMAO
Yeah. I have sugar nightmares at least once a week lol.

BigCatDaddy 10-25-2012 08:35 AM
Any Gaba users?

Aspengc8 10-25-2012 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer (Post 9047776)
Wat?
Whats not to understand? Do you need a consistent 8hrs of sleep to recover? Nope. I've been eating my ass off and sleeping 4-5 hrs/night, and training 5 sometimes 6 times per week and recovering fine. Weights going up every week so whats complicated about that? Am I tired, hell yeah. Nothing a good pre-workout drink can't fix.

gblowfish 10-25-2012 08:44 AM
It's shit, that's for sure....

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BigCatDaddy 10-25-2012 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 9047835)
Whats not to understand? Do you need a consistent 8hrs of sleep to recover? Nope. I've been eating my ass off and sleeping 4-5 hrs/night, and training 5 sometimes 6 times per week and recovering fine. Weights going up every week so whats complicated about that? Am I tired, hell yeah. Nothing a good pre-workout drink can't fix.
How long have you been training for continuously to this point? Any other PED's besides caffeine?

TheGuardian 10-25-2012 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by savchief (Post 9047756)
Not true, I just looked and there are exactly ZERO studies say ZMA has any effect on anything, and there are well-designed double blind studies showing it has zero effect on testosterone. So the feeling more "manly" is pure placebo. Sleep evidence is all word of mouth (anecdotal). No studies have been done as far as I see pertaining to sleep benefits.
One study had "evidence" that it increased testosterone, but that study was done by ZMA creator, Victor Conte of BALCO infamy. The study has been discredited and has never been duplicated.
But the placebo effect is often just as real for those who feel it. If you believe it's giving you better sleep, then enjoy. Only thing getting hurt is your wallet.
It would only make you "feel more manly" if you were already deficient in zinc. Then yes, it would help raise natural test levels.

But either way, you're wrong.

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/Blog/...Deficient.aspx

TheGuardian 10-25-2012 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 9047648)
Sleep is overrated for recovery. Food quantity/quality is much more important. I don't think I've had more than 5hr sleep/night since my daughter was born 9 months ago, and I still hit PR's. Shit I had 2 hours sleep last week and drove upstate with a buddy for a meet and still hit a 1200 total.
A 1200 total? I hope you're 130 pounds.

Sleep is the most important factor in recovery. You may can pull off a decent training session here or there with lack of sleep, but without a lot of solid sleep growth will be inhibited.


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