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Chief Pote 01-12-2013 06:35 AM

Wireless Surveillance Cameras
 
Has anyone recently purchased wireless cameras for outdoor surveillance around your house? I found this site and I'm getting ready to buy a couple of cameras and thought I would check with you guys first.

http://www.x10.com/homepage.htm

Any recommendations?

I'll catch that UPS guy next time. :harumph:

I know the mods will want to move this to Media...gimmee a break alright?

Bwana 01-12-2013 07:44 AM

I know when a buddy of mine was back for Christmas, he was checking our some of his construction areas back home on his iPhone at night. It was a decent picture and he could move the camera around with his phone to look around the area.

He said he got a dirt cheap package from this outfit.

http://foscam.us/

crazycoffey 01-12-2013 08:14 AM

if you can see it on the web, I'd be worried the instalers would be able to see it too

BlackHelicopters 01-12-2013 08:19 AM

My system is closed circuit. Local company did the installing. Records in a 4 day loop. Pricey, but gotta protect the family with multiple layers of security.

rockymtnchief 01-12-2013 08:23 AM

Do your homework. I've seen some that block your wireless signal from your internet router. (assuming you have a wireless)

Bwana 01-12-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rockymtnchief (Post 9307645)
Do your homework. I've seen some that block your wireless signal from your internet router. (assuming you have a wireless)

I want to get a wireless outdoor package with 4 camera's that I can view from a smart phone and records when it detects motion, any ideas?

rockymtnchief 01-12-2013 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307653)
I want to get a wireless outdoor package with 4 camera's that I can view from a smart phone and records when it detects motion, any ideas?

I wish I could steer you the right direction, buddy. My only experience is trouble shooting the internet troubles AFTER the the camera install.

Quote:

The most common wireless technology, 802.11g (wireless-G), operates at a frequency of 2.4 gigahertz (GHz). Many cordless phones, microwave ovens, baby monitors, garage door openers, and other wireless electronics also use this frequency. If you use these wireless devices in your home, your computer might not be able to "hear" your router over the noise coming from them.

If your network uses wireless-G, you can quiet the noise by avoiding wireless electronics that use the 2.4 GHz frequency. Instead, look for cordless phones and other devices that use the 5.8 GHz or 900 megahertz (MHz) frequencies. Because 802.11n (wireless-N) operates at both 2.4 GHz and the less frequently used 5.0 GHz frequency, you may experience less interference on your network if you use this technology.

Bwana 01-12-2013 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rockymtnchief (Post 9307667)
I wish I could steer you the right direction, buddy. My only experience is trouble shooting the internet troubles AFTER the the camera install.

Hmmm, well this is going to be a bit harder than I thought then. Thanks for explaining the situation. I do need to figure this out and get this done. :banghead:

DaFace 01-12-2013 09:01 AM

Mostly for fun, I got a Foscam FI8910W for Christmas. They run about $90 each, so it's a pretty cheap solution. It works well, but you have to be reasonably techie to set it up since you'll have to mess with the ports it uses and port forwarding on your router to get it working.

The only thing I'll say to look out for is that many of the IP cameras function fine, but their software is very limited. Given that mine is just for fun, I hooked it up with a little site called Mangocam and use that to just record pics for a bit when motion is detected. There are subscription-based sites out there that can handle long-term recordings and that kind of thing.

If you're wanting to run multiple cameras and have them recording all the time, you might want to consider software to run on a local desktop computer rather than uploading to the cloud. These things take up quite a bit of bandwidth, so they can drag your internet connection down pretty badly if you're not careful.

If you happen to look seriously, I can give you access to mine for a bit so you can check it out and see how it works. Here's a pic of my cats just so you can see the quality.

TribalElder 01-12-2013 09:06 AM

I have personally owned the x10 stuff along with other solutions. X10 is cheap and works kinda. No kind of protection so anyone with an x10 video receiver can pick up the signal when they tune in to a-h along with. The number. They are cheap and kinda cool . I used to have the things where I could control the lights and the cameras from the tv remote.

R8RFAN 01-12-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307675)
Hmmm, well this is going to be a bit harder than I thought then. Thanks for explaining the situation. I do need to figure this out and get this done. :banghead:


I have been looking for affordable ones that are good forever... Remember, some of those so called outside cams will only see about 15 feet in the dark ... Choose wisely and lets experiment with your money before I take my wallet out LMAO

Bwana 01-12-2013 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9307677)
Mostly for fun, I got a Foscam FI8910W for Christmas. They run about $90 each, so it's a pretty cheap solution. It works well, but you have to be reasonably techie to set it up since you'll have to mess with the ports it uses and port forwarding on your router to get it working.

The only thing I'll say to look out for is that many of the IP cameras function fine, but their software is very limited. Given that mine is just for fun, I hooked it up with a little site called Mangocam and use that to just record pics for a bit when motion is detected. There are subscription-based sites out there that can handle long-term recordings and that kind of thing.

If you're wanting to run multiple cameras and have them recording all the time, you might want to consider software to run on a local desktop computer rather than uploading to the cloud. These things take up quite a bit of bandwidth, so they can drag your internet connection down pretty badly if you're not careful.

If you happen to look seriously, I can give you access to mine for a bit so you can check it out and see how it works. Here's a pic of my cats just so you can see the quality.

Thanks for the post Faceman. From what you and RMC are saying, there is a lot more to this than I expected and I need to get an expert involved.

If I'm going to build a system, I want the darn thing to work. I don't want it being a pain in the tail, Mickey Mouse setup. I would rather step up a little bit on the system and have it work.

R8RFAN 01-12-2013 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9307677)
Mostly for fun, I got a Foscam FI8910W for Christmas. They run about $90 each, so it's a pretty cheap solution. It works well, but you have to be reasonably techie to set it up since you'll have to mess with the ports it uses and port forwarding on your router to get it working.

The only thing I'll say to look out for is that many of the IP cameras function fine, but their software is very limited. Given that mine is just for fun, I hooked it up with a little site called Mangocam and use that to just record pics for a bit when motion is detected. There are subscription-based sites out there that can handle long-term recordings and that kind of thing.

If you're wanting to run multiple cameras and have them recording all the time, you might want to consider software to run on a local desktop computer rather than uploading to the cloud. These things take up quite a bit of bandwidth, so they can drag your internet connection down pretty badly if you're not careful.

If you happen to look seriously, I can give you access to mine for a bit so you can check it out and see how it works. Here's a pic of my cats just so you can see the quality.

I just knew you were a cat person

Bwana 01-12-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9307693)
I have been looking for affordable ones that are good forever... Remember, some of those so called outside cams will only see about 15 feet in the dark ... Choose wisely and lets experiment with your money before I take my wallet out LMAO

You're still looking dude? Hell, I figured you would have used a pry bar to get that wallet out of your back pocket by now and been able to give me some product results. I was getting ready to send you a PM. :hmmm:

R8RFAN 01-12-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307704)
You're still looking dude? Hell, I figured you would have used a pry bar to get that wallet out of your back pocket by now and been able to give me some product results. I was getting ready to send you a PM. :hmmm:

I have no idea about these models but this are the kind I would like for outside

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

check amazon and the reviews I guess

http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=14241151

TribalElder 01-12-2013 09:25 AM

I got a deal. A while back on the 4 cam system for 300. They work well and record on motion or schedule. You can also put it out to the net but I never did. Fixed position was the limitation but indoor or outdoor and can be extended with standard rj59 cable

http://menards.com/main/electrical/s...475-c-6470.htm

D link used to sell a kick ass cam but I haven't been able to find one anywhere. Dcs 5300 or the dcs 5300g ( wireless ). The d link had pan tilt and digital zoom for 3-4 hundred.

Bwana 01-12-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9307715)
I have no idea about these models but this are the kind I would like for outside

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

check amazon and the reviews I guess

http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=14241151

Yeah, I was looking at several different styles and something like that is one of them.

R8RFAN 01-12-2013 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307733)
Yeah, I was looking at several different styles and something like that is one of them.

That one is supposed to have 50 ft night vision

Stewie 01-12-2013 09:31 AM

I've been looking at these cameras for a while. I hadn't seen the Foscam units before Bwana posted about them and they look pretty nice. I found if you use the coupon code "NEWYEAR" on their site you get a decent discount and it's free shipping.

R8RFAN 01-12-2013 09:33 AM

This one has a 3x optical zoom wich is better than digital zoom

http://www.amazon.com/ARRIVAL-HooToo...amera+pan+tilt

Bwana 01-12-2013 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 9307723)
I got a deal. A while back on the 4 cam system for 300. They work well and record on motion or schedule. You can also put it out to the net but I never did. Fixed position was the limitation but indoor or outdoor and can be extended with standard rj59 cable

http://menards.com/main/electrical/s...475-c-6470.htm

D link used to sell a kick ass cam but I haven't been able to find one anywhere. Dcs 5300 or the dcs 5300g ( wireless ). The d link had pan tilt and digital zoom for 3-4 hundred.

That might work well where you're located, but I noticed this: "Operating Tempature 50°F to 104°F." Right now it's -7F outside.

TribalElder 01-12-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9307746)
This one has a 3x optical zoom wich is better than digital zoom

http://www.amazon.com/ARRIVAL-HooToo...amera+pan+tilt

Nice. Under 300 too
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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307749)
That might work well where you're located, but I noticed this: "Operating Tempature 50°F to 104°F." Right now it's -7F outside.

awwwwwww damn, my bad. That is freaking cold man!


Need to find,one with a heated enclosure i guess

Bwana 01-12-2013 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9307737)
That one is supposed to have 50 ft night vision

The problem is, there are a lot of choices and I don't know much about any of them. I don't want to dish out my hard earned green for a trash can system that isn't going to work. After RMC's post, I'm more apprehensive than ever.

Bwana 01-12-2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 9307755)
Nice. Under 300 too


awwwwwww damn, my bad. That is freaking cold man!


Need to find,one with a heated enclosure i guess

The local Costco has a package about like that and I noticed the same ambient temp ratings on in. I bet they get a lot of returns around here.

Chief Pote 01-12-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307621)
I know when a buddy of mine was back for Christmas, he was checking our some of his construction areas back home on his iPhone at night. It was a decent picture and he could move the camera around with his phone to look around the area.

He said he got a dirt cheap package from this outfit.

http://foscam.us/

Good link Bwana, I need to check that site out.

Chief Pote 01-12-2013 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Barney Stinson (Post 9307638)
if you can see it on the web, I'd be worried the instalers would be able to see it too

Yeah, I know but I'm willing to take that chance. Some send you a text when the motion sensor kicks in. We live out in the country so motion would be limited.

R8RFAN 01-12-2013 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307765)
The local Costco has a package about like that and I noticed the same ambient temp ratings on in. I bet they get a lot of returns around here.

I REALLY don't know who would make a cam for those brutal conditions man.... Who the **** is out stealing at 7 below anyway?

Chief Pote 01-12-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rockymtnchief (Post 9307645)
Do your homework. I've seen some that block your wireless signal from your internet router. (assuming you have a wireless)

Yes, we have wireless. Thanks for the tip.

Chief Pote 01-12-2013 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9307677)
Mostly for fun, I got a Foscam FI8910W for Christmas. They run about $90 each, so it's a pretty cheap solution. It works well, but you have to be reasonably techie to set it up since you'll have to mess with the ports it uses and port forwarding on your router to get it working.

The only thing I'll say to look out for is that many of the IP cameras function fine, but their software is very limited. Given that mine is just for fun, I hooked it up with a little site called Mangocam and use that to just record pics for a bit when motion is detected. There are subscription-based sites out there that can handle long-term recordings and that kind of thing.

If you're wanting to run multiple cameras and have them recording all the time, you might want to consider software to run on a local desktop computer rather than uploading to the cloud. These things take up quite a bit of bandwidth, so they can drag your internet connection down pretty badly if you're not careful.

If you happen to look seriously, I can give you access to mine for a bit so you can check it out and see how it works. Here's a pic of my cats just so you can see the quality.

Actually, that's very clear resolution. Very promising results. Our router may not be able to pick up some of my intended locations. They're probably 50+ from the router.

Chief Pote 01-12-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 9307723)
I got a deal. A while back on the 4 cam system for 300. They work well and record on motion or schedule. You can also put it out to the net but I never did. Fixed position was the limitation but indoor or outdoor and can be extended with standard rj59 cable

http://menards.com/main/electrical/s...475-c-6470.htm

D link used to sell a kick ass cam but I haven't been able to find one anywhere. Dcs 5300 or the dcs 5300g ( wireless ). The d link had pan tilt and digital zoom for 3-4 hundred.

I really like this option. Looks like it comes with it's own DVR for recording. Does 500GB work for the eight cameras?

rockymtnchief 01-12-2013 10:04 AM

My folks have wireless and their cameras work fine. However, they have no neighbors either. So they don't have to worry about anyone pirating their signal and messing with their cameras. They're far from being techies and set it up themselves.

My point, there are some out of the box systems out there. Do a little homework and read the reviews first.

Chief Pote 01-12-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9307746)
This one has a 3x optical zoom wich is better than digital zoom

http://www.amazon.com/ARRIVAL-HooToo...amera+pan+tilt

Damn that camera is huge. My wife would love those hanging outside.

Chief Pote 01-12-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307749)
That might work well where you're located, but I noticed this: "Operating Tempature 50°F to 104°F." Right now it's -7F outside.

www.Realtor.com

R8RFAN 01-12-2013 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefPote (Post 9307794)
Damn that camera is huge. My wife would love those hanging outside.

Well if she disagrees with you then just do what this forum suggests for Women that are not easy to get along with.LMAO

Bwana 01-12-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefPote (Post 9307795)

Nope, here's why.

R8RFAN 01-12-2013 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307802)
Nope, here's why.


Sometimes I dream of living in the middle of nowhere.... That is beautiful

rockymtnchief 01-12-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307802)
Nope, here's why.

Amen!

Bwana 01-12-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rockymtnchief (Post 9307804)
Amen!

LMAO

I know "exactly" where that is at.

One from about 6 miles NW of there.

Bottom line ChiefPote, this is why we deal with a few days of below zero temps.

rockymtnchief 01-12-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307810)
LMAO

I know "exactly" where that is at.

One from about 6 miles NW of there.

:harumph: I'm not telling! :D

Bwana 01-12-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rockymtnchief (Post 9307813)
:harumph: I'm not telling! :D

Nice

I think he may have a good idea why we deal with 10-12 days of below zero temps a year. :p

TribalElder 01-12-2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefPote (Post 9307791)
I really like this option. Looks like it comes with it's own DVR for recording. Does 500GB work for the eight cameras?

It will do circular recording and begin overwriting old stuff eventually. Don't know exact timelines.

Johnny Vegas 01-12-2013 10:49 AM

one of my buddies just bought a $100 HD web cam and bought a few extension usb cords and ran it from outside to his computer. That is about as cheap as it gets.

Pushead2 01-12-2013 10:51 AM

Have you tried calling one of the camera's manufacturer?

Perhaps if you explain to them your situation, they could give you help on what past customers have done with their systems.

Donger 01-12-2013 11:23 AM

http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solu...etwork-cameras

Bwana 01-12-2013 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 9307839)
one of my buddies just bought a $100 HD web cam and bought a few extension usb cords and ran it from outside to his computer. That is about as cheap as it gets.

If I was single, I would pull something like that, but I just don't think my wife would warm up to the idea of me going full redneck and cords running all over the place. LMAO

R8RFAN 01-12-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9308003)
If I was single, I would pull something like that, but I just don't think my wife would warm up to the idea of me going full redneck and cords running all over the place. LMAO

Whats the ****ing problem man?
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/...l/IMG_1002.jpg

Bwana 01-12-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9307890)

Nice

D-Link’s Cloud Camera 2300 is outdoor-ready with a IP65 weatherproof casing equipped to handle dust and low-pressure water contact. It also features a versatile -13°F to 122°F operating temperature range so you can keep an eye on the bigger picture -- whatever the weather, whatever the season.

Bwana 01-12-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9308020)
Nice

D-Link’s Cloud Camera 2300 is outdoor-ready with a IP65 weatherproof casing equipped to handle dust and low-pressure water contact. It also features a versatile -13°F to 122°F operating temperature range so you can keep an eye on the bigger picture -- whatever the weather, whatever the season.

Perhaps a Best Buy and Geek Squad combo is in order. I think I'll run over and talk to those clowns.

Bump 01-12-2013 12:42 PM

I have fake cameras around the entrances to my house. I figure, if someone sees what appears to be a surveillance camera around the doors, they might think twice.

Stewie 01-12-2013 02:18 PM

Here's a good deal for an outdoor camera from X10.

http://www.x10.com/promotions/xx40as...ecial_3.html?d

R8RFAN 01-12-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9308070)
I have fake cameras around the entrances to my house. I figure, if someone sees what appears to be a surveillance camera around the doors, they might think twice.

I would knock your fake cameras down and piss on them.

Chief Pote 01-12-2013 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9307802)
Nope, here's why.

Wow, nice photo and lake.

Stewie 01-19-2013 03:44 PM

I bought the outdoor camera in the link below. This thing rocks! Crystal clear picture with pan, tilt and zoom. I got it for $199. They'll give you a deal if you talk to them.

It took a bit of time to get the port forwarding to work since I hadn't done it before, but they have a video on the enclose CD that shows how it's done.

My only complaint is that it's a bit of a hassle to mount the thing.

http://www.x10.com/promotions/airsig...amera.html?HP2

Bwana 01-19-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 9333446)
I bought the outdoor camera in the link below. This thing rocks! Crystal clear picture with pan, tilt and zoom. I got it for $199. They'll give you a deal if you talk to them.

It took a bit of time to get the port forwarding to work since I hadn't done it before, but they have a video on the enclose CD that shows how it's done.

My only complaint is that it's a bit of a hassle to mount the thing.

http://www.x10.com/promotions/airsig...amera.html?HP2

I sent out an email to my Computer guru earlier today and I'm waiting for a reply. I want to hang three of those. Good to hear they work well. Have you done any recording with them? How's the night picture?

Stewie 01-19-2013 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9333451)
I sent out an email to my Computer guru earlier today and I'm waiting for a reply. I want to hang three of those. Good to hear they work well. Have you done any recording with them? How's the night picture?

I just got it up and running today. I'm waiting patiently for the sun to set so I can see the night vision. I haven't tried any recording. I've been sending the IP address to friends to make sure it works over all browsers. So far, so good. To get full functionality you need to use IE. No biggie since that's just for admin sorts of things.

Bwana 01-19-2013 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 9333455)
I just got it up and running today. I'm waiting patiently for the sun to set so I can see the night vision. I haven't tried any recording. I've been sending the IP address to friends to make sure it works over all browsers. So far, so good. To get full functionality you need to use IE. No biggie since that's just for admin sorts of things.

Cool, well keep us posted Stewie. :thumb:

Johnny Vegas 01-19-2013 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9308003)
If I was single, I would pull something like that, but I just don't think my wife would warm up to the idea of me going full redneck and cords running all over the place. LMAO

yea I don't know how your house is set up. His bedroom is facing the street and the front entrance of his house and he has his camera outside his bedroom. The cord is like 3 feet so he had to get extensions but walking in his house you'd never see the cords and when you go into his room the cord drops down from a tiny hold from the corner of the ceiling. He used some neoprene foam to seal the holes and secure the wire. Its actually not as bad as you'd think with cords running all over the place. Not like the back of your entertainment center.

Bwana 01-19-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 9333461)
yea I don't know how your house is set up. His bedroom is facing the street and the front entrance of his house and he has his camera outside his bedroom. The cord is like 3 feet so he had to get extensions but walking in his house you'd never see the cords and when you go into his room the cord drops down from a tiny hold from the corner of the ceiling. He used some neoprene foam to seal the holes and secure the wire. Its actually not as bad as you'd think with cords running all over the place. Not like the back of your entertainment center.

That was my exact thought. ROFL

Johnny Vegas 01-19-2013 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 9333464)
That was my exact thought. ROFL

I'm scared to go look behind mine. Holy shit that's a lot of cords. lol


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