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BigMeatballDave 12-28-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9245784)
As for why Palko was on the roster? That was a lot more Pioli than Haley, and fits the overall theme that Pioli didn't want anyone on the roster that could possibly create a QB controversy. It's not like Pioli brought anyone into training camp to compete with Tyler Palko, unless you count Croyle/Guttierez, two guys who were so bad they aren't in the league anymore.

Case closed.

Well, Haley knew Palko. So, he does share some of that blame. Pioli, however, is in charge of personnel.

People seem to think Haley let Orton ride the bench for a month or something.

I don't care about Todd, but I find it funny how there can be so much hate towards him when he was force-fed Cassel and had a shit boss like Pioli.

Molitoth 12-28-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9245636)
With all respect, Mr. Rausch, I don't believe that is the case.

He had to play somebody. He put Orton in as soon as he could and he got hurt on his first play. Evidence suggests that Haley was told not to play Stanzi under any circumstances. Who was left?

There is also good reason to believe (Babb's report) that Haley wanted Hasselbeck and was told by Pioli to go pound sand.

To me, it appears that Pioli painted the entire franchise in a corner with Cassel. That, I believe, is the root problem in respect to Palko, et al.

FAX

Fax wins, game over.

chiefzilla1501 12-28-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9245788)
And therein is the problem. Good coaches don't get desperate, they get determined.

Forget all of the draws on 3rd downs and shit, that flea flicker against Chicago was the dumbest thing Haley did during a game as HC of the Chiefs.

I understand the strategy. New QB with no experience with the playbook, probably start with a few run plays as he gets his feet wet. That being said, don't think it was desperation as much as it was Haley trying to be way too cute. Not a good playcall. I would have gone with playaction instead.

chiefzilla1501 12-28-2012 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9245803)
Well, Haley knew Palko. So, he does share some of that blame. Pioli, however, is in charge of personnel.

People seem to think Haley let Orton ride the bench for a month of something.

I don't care about Todd, but I find it funny how there can be so much hate towards him when he was force-fed Cassel and had a shit boss like Pioli.

I don't think it's unusual for coaches to bring journeymen in to fill out your roster. If the GM does nothing to add a new guy to replace that journeyman, that's on the GM. All Pioli had to do was bring in a cheap veteran to play backup. The reason we didn't bring in that veteran is because we all know that Pioli didn't want to bring in QB competition.

htismaqe 12-28-2012 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9245803)
Well, Haley knew Palko. So, he does share some of that blame. Pioli, however, is in charge of personnel.

People seem to think Haley let Orton ride the bench for a month or something.

I don't care about Todd, but I find it funny how there can be so much hate towards him when he was force-fed Cassel and had a shit boss like Pioli.

THIS.

Brock 12-28-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9245725)
I own up to that. I exaggerated, but at least I'm willing to admit it. But the argument is moving the uprights. The reason people rejected drafting Okung wasn't because they loved Albert's future. It's because they didn't want to spend a high pick on a lineman, let alone one they weren't in love with.

LOL. Wrong again.

BossChief 12-28-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9245788)
And therein is the problem. Good coaches don't get desperate, they get determined.

Forget all of the draws on 3rd downs and shit, that flea flicker against Chicago was the dumbest thing Haley did during a game as HC of the Chiefs.

Let me give you Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko as your quarterbacks and then take away 3 of your best players including 2 of your 3 best offensive players.

You'd get desperate, too.

BigRock 12-28-2012 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9245691)
He put Orton in and immediately ran one of the longest-developing plays in the game of football, against one of the best pass-rushing defenses in all of football.

Bears were 19th in sacks, 19th in DVOA QB pressure.

chiefzilla1501 12-28-2012 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9245858)
LOL. Wrong again.

Go ahead and read the threads. The majority of people didn't want Russell Okung because we didn't like Russell Okung. And because we wanted a playmaker, which is why we wanted Berry over Okung. And because we didn't want to draft yet another lineman.

There were a lot of people who were dissatisfied with Albert but didn't want Okung. And there were a few who were patient and thought Albert deserved a little more time. But there was pretty much nobody that thought that in 2009 was anything close to acceptable. And in 2010, there were a whole lot less.

htismaqe 12-28-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9245870)
Let me give you Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko as your quarterbacks and then take away 3 of your best players including 2 of your 3 best offensive players.

You'd get desperate, too.

The measure of a man is how you handle adversity.

Haley handled it like a 14-year old kid, on acid.

htismaqe 12-28-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 9245905)
Bears were 19th in sacks, 19th in DVOA QB pressure.

They're still the Bears and it's still a stupid, stupid playcall.

Brock 12-28-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9245906)
Go ahead and read the threads. The majority of people didn't want Russell Okung because we didn't like Russell Okung. And because we wanted a playmaker, which is why we wanted Berry over Okung. And because we didn't want to draft yet another lineman.

There were a lot of people who were dissatisfied with Albert but didn't want Okung. And there were a few who were patient and thought Albert deserved a little more time. But there was pretty much nobody that thought that in 2009 was anything close to acceptable. And in 2010, there were a whole lot less.

There was one guy who was dissatisfied with Albert. I remember because i have always had albert's back. You are attempting to rewrite history.

chiefzilla1501 12-28-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9245941)
The measure of a man is how you handle adversity.

Haley handled it like a 14-year old kid, on acid.

That's true. But I also have seen great workers do terrible work because of overbearing bosses. If Pioli tried to even do a fraction of the micromanagement to Bellichick or Coughlin, I can't even imagine the shitstorm that would have followed. They probably would have quit and made a public embarrassment of Pioli.

BossChief 12-28-2012 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9245941)
The measure of a man is how you handle adversity.

Haley handled it like a 14-year old kid, on acid.

I disagree, but whats done is done and its not really worth a continuing discussion.

I just think that Haley will land somewhere as a HC and flourish when he is able to chose his staff and players.

chiefzilla1501 12-28-2012 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9245949)
There was one guy who was dissatisfied with Albert. I remember because i have always had albert's back. You are attempting to rewrite history.

One guy? Interesting. You should read the thread I posted above when Jared Gaither was signed. I've always had Albert's back too. Doesn't mean there wasn't some conversation about whether Albert should be moved to Guard or Right Tackle, and a lot of conversation about how he wasn't progressing as a pass protector. Or that he hadn't established himself as a franchise left tackle.

In either event... NOBODY thought Albert was playing like a franchise left tackle in 2009 or 2010. Any of his backers believed in his potential, not in the way he was playing.


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