Fairy Tale shows premiering this fall...
 

Strange direction for NBC and ABC to go. Guess it's the new fad.

I wouldn't be surprised to see early cancellation for both, although I like the idea behind Grimm (it's NBC, it'll flop...).


First up, ABC's 'Once Upon a Time'

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And NBC's 'Grimm'

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NBC must be nuts. They're putting Grimm on Fridays at 9/8, which is when both Fringe and Supernatural are on. Fans of those shows, which would probably be the target audience of Grimm, are not likely to stop watching them for something new.

Your way of thinking is antiquated like the Nielson system.

Everybody time shifts now. DVR's, Watching online, ITunes store, etc......

There is really no excuse now for a show unable to find an audience. Its easier now than its ever been. If a show is good, it will find an audience.

My thinking is correct because that's how they determine the success or failure of their shows. They'll still cancel Grimm after a month even with me watching it on Hulu, because I'm not watching it live - which is all that counts in their minds - which I can't do because my DVR can only record two shows an hour, and those shows will be the incumbents Fringe and Supernatural.

When they change their thinking, then I'll change my prediction.

I think it's sad that we have two mediums perfectly built for each other and they still haven't been properly combined. Websites as a business model are starved for content. TV desperately needs a way to accurately track its audience.

There is a lot of crap on TV though. Some of that has to do with reeruns like yourself who watch every idiotic reality show that has ever aired.

Thanks.

Different topic for a different thread but to chime in on this: if networks think anyone is watching "live" any more, they're on crack. Probably the only things people watch live are "Survivor", "American Idol", and "Dancing With The Stars"... in other words, reality-based shows where watercooler talk about the results will be hot and heavy. (Hell, my wife sometimes still time-shifts by an hour later, just to fast-forward through commercials; in a pinch, she'll just watch the last 10 minutes to see who got kicked off and then she'll watch the first part of the show the day after.)

Im in complete agreement with you. I think the Networks tend to view shows on the web more as ads for watching them on regular TV.


Obviously they prefer viewers to watch on regular TV because thats where the big money Ad dollars are at for now.

I did just hear an ad on my Time Warner info channel (there cause my cable went out last night and didn't record 3 Breaking Bad episodes :grrr: ) where apparently they're offering the recording of 4 programs concurrently with their DVR if you dish out the big dollars for some kind of signature service.

That's something I guess, assuming it's not just recording programs on different boxes in your house (which it may be). Although networks also don't like us watching stuff on demand or on DVR because they know we're fast-forwarding through all the ads. Which as you mention is why they care most about live ratings.

(I never watch commercials when I watch live, either, I either flip to another channel or tune out whatever ads are on).

I would say they need to find another model, but that would end up with everything being paid like HBO, and, well, I just can't afford that. My cable bill's insane enough already.

Yes, Ads are a neccessary evil. Thats how we get to view this stuff for free.

Ive learned to not get too upset when they cancel. Alot of these genre shows are for a "niche" audience at best. IM just thankful when we get 2 full seasons of a Dollhouse, or 3 of Fringe...or any kind of closure really. Thats a blessing for a niche show on Network TV.

Once Upon A Time was not as bad as I thought it might be.

(I think the fact that I watched it at all is an indication of just how dreary the new crop of shows is...)

And I knew Gus wasn't dead:

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Dammit. I wanted to watch this. When does it air?

It was on at 7 tonight. I meant to mention it earlier, but got caught up with some unscheduled work.

Is Ginnifer Goodwin, Jennifer Morrison, or Lana Parrilla hotter?

Yes