So Cassel is clearly the wrong guy, but what should Pioli have done?
 

So with my finely tuned senses and amazing powers of perception, I have detected some small modicum of dislike for Mr. Cassel, and for Mr. Pioli as well. I realize that the hatred of Pioli is for more reasons than going with Cassel, but it seems to me that not only is the Cassel deal a big part of why people hate him, but a part of why the Chiefs are losing so much, which also leads to hating the GM who built the team.

Putting aside the keep Orton option, which I'd agree the Chiefs should have done, what does ChiefsPlanet say Pioli should have done with the QB position? Clearly Sanchez is NOT an answer either, so Pioli made the right move in not spending a high 1st round pick on him. I'm also not aware of any Drew Brees to Miami level screw ups in terms of QB options that were ignored.

So what realistic move should Pioli have made, but didn't, at the QB position that pisses everybody off so much?

Heck, someone on here (GoChiefs) had a link on a post I saw explaining why Pioli should be fired, and the discussion of all the options he had other than Cassel were really pretty pathetic.

Just a small modicum of dislike. Nothing major.

I hate you. Oh, and may Gisele rend and torture Tommy anally with the all of the Lombardi's in their home one day. With no lube.

I knew Cassel wasn't the answer after the 2009 season.

If you know the QB position, you can watch to see if a QB can read a defense from the LOS, call correct audibles, go through progressions, and avoid a pass rush without going fetal.

He pulled off a few good games in 2010 against shitty teams which caused me to somewhat question his potential,... but then ended the season with another terrible 3 games of the same shit I saw the season before.

He should've been cut at that time.

Trade away the draft for RG3 last year. The trade for Cassel was fine, IMO...extending him before the season was the sin. Let him play out his franchise year. At least TRY.

I hope there are more than "just" three for him to be rended and tortured by...

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What should Pioli have done?

Die of AIDS.


**** the Patriots and the "Tree."

and the pats fan show up....

He should done whatever it took to get Luck or RGIII.

Cassel probably wasn't the worst decision in the world. Clearly he put together a strong 2010 in terms of statistics. But when it's so clearly not working, pull the plug. Obviously the last 2 or 3 coaches and coordinators haven't believed in Cassel based on the leash imposed. Equally obvious is the direction from the top dog that he plays or else. I think that's the crux of the matter. Dude won't come off his $60,000,000 bet.

Well, just this year he could have traded up for Tannehill, or stayed put and taken Osweiler, Foles, or Cousins. That would not have helped us this year, but we would have a young gun at least to learn under Zorn.

In 2011 he could have picked Andy Dalton, or Kapernick.

After a couple really bad years, the last couple years haven't been that bad in terms of QBs. And this year should be decent again.

They have to defend everyone that was associated with their shitty franchise. It's in their DNA.

He should've been CUT after a season where he had 27 TDs and 7 INTs?

Here's another stiff who had 27-7 in his third year that maybe you would've cut:

2002 San Diego 16–16 526–320 3,284 .608 17 16 52 24–180 76.9
2003 San Diego 11–11 356–205 2,108 .576 11 15 68 21–178 67.5
2004 San Diego 15–15 400–262 3,159 .655 27 7 79 18–131 104.8



(Drew Brees)?!

I appreciate the Chiefs swinging for Cassel, even if they missed.

I would have been okay if the Chiefs kept swinging but kept missing.

It is unacceptable to be oblivious for 4 years that you missed on Cassel, and not even TRY to take a swing at a guy you believe could compete for a starting job.

If you had actually watched the games instead of looking at stats, you wouldn't be asking this question.

you came here to compare cassel to drew brees?

what the **** is wrong with pats fans?

why can't you simply admit that pioli and cassel are gigantic failures?

Like I'm rare around here....?



Nope, don't care that Pioli's job is in danger. I think his HC hiring decisions have been questionable and that four years is a fair shake. if the team is truly horrible -- say 5-11 or worse -- then the GM could definitely take the fall for that after four years.

I'm just wondering what the "answer" at QB is, since that seems to be the biggest strike against him.

Man, I wish Bernard Pollard hadn't injured Brady... thus, giving Cassel his chance... SON OF A BITCH!!

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I don't exactly HATE Pioli, because I think we have a good team right now, but he should have cut Cassel after last season. That's what pisses me off most about him.

No, I'm not comparing Brees to Cassel. Cassel will NEVER be Brees. But that wasn't so clear after a very good 2010 season that Cassel had. Now that's clearly just a aberration.

But I'm pointing out how absurd it is to suggest cutting a guy who had 27 TDs and 7 INTs.


Cassel is a gigantic failure.

That's easy to say.

I think Pioli is on the edge of it, definitely. But I'm asking a simple question -- if his main sin is Cassel, then what realistic alternatives did he have? He correctly assessed, and rejected, Sanchez, which appears to have been the right move.

i wish pollard had taken out their fan base...

and where is that one dumb pats fan who spent the last four years lecturing us for not understanding pioli's genious and cassel's awesomeness?

he never comes around anymore...weird

Clausen at 5!

So you agree? The 27 TD, 7 INT guy should've been cut after his Pro Bowl season?

Wow. I admit I didn't watch the games, but I think that'd be a first in NFL history...

sanchez was obviously the right move, as 2 AFC championship games proves...he walked into your stadium and took a shit on your franchise

but feel free to compare his accomplishments to Cassel's...

and your comparison to brees is embarrassing...don't be that one dumb pats fan

so, you admit to not knowing what the **** you're talking about...but you're here to lecture us anyways?

have you lived and died with every single snap of Cassel's for 3 and half years?

because if not, spare us your bullshit...

Yeah, that is a major problem IMHO. Not keeping Orton made no sense to me. Some might say he was worried about creating a QB controversy, and I get that, but if your QB doesn't have the confidence in himself to raise his play in the face of competition for the job, then he probably isn't the right guy anyway!

If Pioli intentionally engineered it as "Cassel or Moe, Larry or Curly", then that's a big strike against him IMHO. I have no idea what Orton was looking for, or what other backup options there were, but that would definitely not fly in my book if he did that on purpose.

Jesus Christ, he was an ALTERNATE! PRO BOWLER MY ASS! :banghead:

I don't think you can put aside the Orton option if you're asking what really should have been done.

Not that he was the answer but it was clearly evident last year he was the better QB of the two.

shit canned the Patriot Way when he first came to KC.

Do you forget that this forum has a search feature when you post?

Dude....the only thing he's shitting is his pants.


I'm the dumb one, not the guy saying cut him after a 27 TD, 7 INT season? You thought you KNEW after that season that there was no room for growth? He couldn't turn into a very good QB? He was just a pathetic POS useless turd of a QB? That was CERTAIN after a 27-7 season?

Your crystal ball must be really clear. You should play the lottery or something.

Yeah, maybe that answer is sufficient. I didn't know if there was another one or not. Just sticking with Cassel instead of Orton certainly hasn't worked out well to say the least.

Im with you on this

You can't sit here and say those quarterbacks wouldn't have turned out differently on a different team.

And besides, Kyle Orton is obviously superior to Matt Cassel.

Now **** off.

Yes, he ****ing sucked ass, threw balls too high, took phantom sacks and completely crumbled in the playoff game.

Add to that fact that Jamaal Charles was off the hook that season AND the fact that they played the lowly NFC West, with the winner of that division ending up with a losing record at 7-9, and you'd clearly see that he needed to be replaced.

The bottom line is that EVERY position should be challenged each and every offseason. Baltimore won the Super Bowl, then cut Trent Dilfer for Elvis Grbac.

In an eleven year time span, San Diego traded for Stan Humphries, drafted Ryan Leaf, drafted Drew Brees and drafted Phillip Rivers, all in an effort to improve the QB situation.

The Chiefs haven't done dick in the draft since 1983.

Oh, and Cassel did and always has sucked ass.

The main issue I have with Scott (besides the 60M to Matt) is not retaining Orton, bringing in legitimate competition via the draft this year, the year before, and the year before that, and continuing to stick with him despite the fact Cassel was the main contributor in our team's lack of success.

yes, i did now...and said so every god damn day at the top of my ****ing lungs

it was obvious before then...it was obvious from the beginning

but thanks for showing up and sucking cassel's dick on stage for us all...we've had quite enough of clueless pats fans trying to 'edumacate us'...

jesus **** this isn't happening

Then stop talking. You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm glad the Pats fan knows more about the Chiefs than we do.

No, I'm asking a question. And you're having some kind of epileptic seizure. Calm down.

I'm not even ARGUING for anything, I'm wondering if there was some better option out there I didn't know about. Obviously not so much. Basically Pioli should've gone with Orton this year. That would've been a better move. At least keep him on the freaking roster in case Cassel becomes an epic failure, or gets hurt, both of which have happened.

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Anyone suggesting that is a loony.

After 2011, competition should have brought in, though.

None was. Zero effort to fix what was obviously a position of weakness.

A terrible failure of general management.

Of course Pioli started it all when he gave Cassel 60 million for 0 reasons.

I can't wait until Brady's career ends and this "Patriot Way" bullshit is exposed as the biggest scam in NFL history.

It has been discussed around here already. 2010 was the year Weis was the OC. He really did a good job of masking Cassel's deficiencies. We still ran alot on obvious passing downs in 2010. We also had a very weak schedule which allowed Cassel to have few decent games against some really shitty teams.

Some posts from Dane. Remember, he WATCHED the games and didn't just look at stats




And that's from only 1 thread.

well, gee..thanks for showing up and 'wondering'

we're all smarter for it...cassel is like brees and sanchez didn't walk into your stadium and **** your women...

any other subjects you know nothing about but want to kick around while you are here just 'wondering?'

Sanchez has limited talent around him, and obviously isn't good enough to elevate anybody above what they otherwise are. I think he's probably pretty equal to Cassel, actually. In a perfect environment, when they don't have most of the pressure, they won't suck, but if all else isn't great, then they sink to the level of their teammates.

Agreed.

Why should I? Cuz you asked? How 'bout no.

Just one. Why are you such an asshole?

Again: You cannot say Sanchez would have performed or developed the same on another team.

Certainly a more talented team at this point, for sure.

NY has no receivers or running game.

All dynasties come to an end sooner or later.

Drafted Andy Dalton (someone he was VERY interested in), draft Weeden, draft Cousins, DRAFT ANY QB OR TO REPLACE THIS CLOWN.

Simply by virtue of the fact that he didn't completely shit his pants in multiple playoff wins elevates him above Cassel.

Quite frankly, I think Sanchez would be a mother****ing stud throwing Dwayne Bowe and Steve Breaston with Jamaal Charles burning up the yards on the ground.

Shit, he might even elevate Jon Baldwin away from superbust status.

Damn...

If that were me after reading my quotes I'd probably develop some sort of chronic diarrhea.

27 tds. in this day of passing offenses is not that great, in fact it is mediocre. Qb's should be putting up a minimum of 25 td's with the way the rules are right now, any less and they are under performing the position.

you actually think - having admitted to not watching any games - that there is something about matt cassel you can tell us that we don't already know? haven't discussed 1000000000 different ways?

you think this stupid 'what was pioli supposed to do derp?' nonsense hasn't been asked and answered about 5643456433 times?

what do you think we do here all day, exactly?

:shrug: So Pioli has built a better team (outside of the QB position) than the Jets the last few years? Jets have VERY clearly declined the last 2-3 years. Tannenbaum/Ryan could also be in trouble. Of course, they're having really bad luck with injuries as well (Revis and Holmes, obviously).

Insult other posters for discussing Chiefs stuff, of course...

Then you haven't watched enough of Sanchez.

i can't wait until anything 'pats' within a 1000 miles of arrowhead is hunted, killed, and burned...

Would have been an amazing pick by Pioli, and would have showed incredible foresight.

And he'd have come cheap.

Again: Just watching his playoff performances is enough to say he's a better player than Cassel.

And I said this last year: Sanchez had a "bad season" according to true fans, and still threw 26 TD.

Cassel had a "good season" and threw 27.

Alright Smartass, how about these (because I knew your **** ass was up to something)

Using one thread as a barometer is ****ing stupid.

I can't in good conscience call Baldwin a superbust when he's had Cassel as his QB.

If he can't produce with Geno next year, then he needs to go.

I don't care. This team sucks. Fire everyone. Stop trying to defending Patriot shitdicks. Pioli is just another Mangini.

Dalton would have fit in perfectly here. He has everything needed to succeed just like in Cincy. We would have won the division last year and most likely this year. With Dalton we win playoff games.

Could have maybe swung for the fences in 2009 for Stafford or Bradford in 2010 to trade up.. Doubtful they would have given up on Cassel so soon in 2010 though....

They wouldn't have tried to upgrade after 2010 season..so that leaves last year. Orton isn't the answer, but he's clearly better than Cassel. Should have resigned Orton.

I don't remember any other free agent QBs in 2009 we could have snagged instead of Cassel? Anyone remember?

Additionally, Dalton not having to go against Balt/Pitt Ds twice a year would probably result in better results, more confidence, and ultimately more production.

The posts I quoted came AFTER the season after you had formulated a complete opinion on Cassel.

Whatever. Throughout the season, I constantly posted my issues Cassel and at no point in 2011, at least did I recall, did I ever say that the Chiefs couldn't improve the QB position.

But go ahead and continue to use the search function. I guess it gives you something to do with your time.

Sanchez had 26 TDs against 18 picks and 10 fumbles. The year before that he had 17 TDs against 13 picks and 9 fumbles (only one lost, which I call a fluke, which evened out the next year when 8 of 10 were lost). His rookie year it was 12 TDs and 20 picks with 10 fumbles. He averages 30 sacks per year and hasn't thrown better than 57% completion yet.

The dude sucks. I agree he elevated his game in the playoffs -- played much better for whatever reason -- but you can't suck that hard during the regular season because it really doesn't put you in a position to GET to the playoffs to begin with.

ROFL

Sanchez has had 4 straight games where he's completed less than 50% of his passes.


Like TK13 said, that's Ryan Leaf territory.

You know it's true. Your boy Romeo is a walking pile of pus, too. Why Pioli thought he should be a head coach again is a ****ing mystery.

Hey gang, so Hitler was clearly the wrong guy, but what should Germany have done?

Honestly don't think any power on earth could've gotten the Lions to trade the Stafford pick or the Rams the Bradford pick. Those teams finished last and their fans would've gone ape if they gave up a future QB stud no matter what the package.

Agreed on Orton. That was a pretty obvious mistake.

LMAO

This is a pretty good use of my time.

No idea to be honest. I don't think I would've given RAC another HC chance.

Thanks Dane. Stats are far too misleading.
If you want the truth on Cassel, go read the Declaration of Independence, MO.

http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/.../weaksauce.jpg

Thats...


I have no words for an analogy this stupid.