Well, to be fair, the bar for Dlinemen picked in the top 11 in KC has been lowered by a slew of players.

I was never high on Baldwin. I loved the Poe pick from the start.

Baldwin's issues are difficult to fix. He runs shitty routes (which are more difficult to coach than people want to pretend) and he has a shitty on-field work ethic to want to get better. He's not coachable.

Poe's problems have largely been technique and they are easily fixable, but they will take time. And unlike Baldwin, he has the work ethic to get better. And Poe has a rare physical talent at nose tackle, which is he could become a rare every down nose tackle, which is INCREDIBLY valuable in a league where spread offenses are exposing 1-dimensional nose tackles.

That is the goal for DL in their second year in the NFL. Average play.

Third year is when they should shine.

Now, he will be learning completely new techniques again (going from 2gap to 1gap) hopefully that doesn't hold his development back...I LOVE the prospect of him playing a Jay Ratliff type role for us and think he could be the prototype for the position if the coaches find a way to translate talent into production.

Baldwin got open because nobody was paying attention to the deep route. Nobody cared. For his size, he's shitty at getting off jams. And he runs shitty routes. We had a QB that was spreading the ball well for a few games. Kyle Orton. Baldwin was a complete non-factor in those games.

Never liked the guy. Still don't like him. I think his only upside is that he becomes a good jump ball receiver. But I'd rather have a receiver who can run the entire route tree.

so when JJ Watt got 20.5 sacks and All Pro in HIS 2nd YEAR....

that's just "average play" expectations huh

Don't be obtuse.

All you're talking about is "Potential".

Potential is what gets coaches and GM's fired.

We are discussing what might transpire during the 2013 season, no?

Of course that includes trig to evaluate potential under changing circumstances.

wouldnt for one day you would like to HIT on a player/talent in this decade? Like have a d-line that exceeds your low end shitty expectations of marginal progress?

Have another Derrick Thomas or Neil Smith? Wouldnt you like to be one of those teams that hits on a player in the first round like that rather than wondering if your #11 overall pick is going to get his first sack in year 2 of his playing career so we can clap and cheer on his progression good for him yay!

wouldnt you like your low expectations of our positional talent/development, be raised? Wouldnt that be awesome than what you expect of players now you give a free pass?

Hey maybe Allen Bailey will learn how to beat a 1 on 1 block and not get blown off the ball, or Jalil Brown will know how to not go all Will Bartee and faceguard or that Jeff Allen wont get blown off the ****ing ball every play, but it's okay, he's changing positions, he gets a pass.

Dude, there is no ****ing way this team is pushing for the playoffs in 2013 with a rookie QB. There are far too many holes at STARTING positions, let alone questions on the defensive line, offensive line, WR and TE positions.

If the Chiefs win 6 games next year with a rookie QB, I'll be thrilled.

***** ****ed this team. Hard.

If you can't see top end potential from Dontari Poe after his rookie season, you are blind.

If Dontari is gonna be a 1 gap nose, he should be able to excel in that role.

11 out of 17 NFL.com guys thought we would win the division in 2012 because of the talent we had.

You thought so, too...as did I.

I think we had the NFLs worst combo of head coach and quarterbacks and that we are going from that to a top 5 coach in the league and will hopefully get good game manager play from our quarterback in his rookie year.

Romeo was Mr. I don't know and Cassel lead the league in turnovers even though he was benched before the halfway point.

I stick by my comment.

If we draft Geno and we field a defense that taps into the potential of the talent on that side of the ball, we will be in the 2013 playoffs.

The problem is that he showed almost no signs of being a top end player.

He was indistinguishable from Ron Edwards.

So why sit here and say he could be a "game changer?"

We have no way of knowing, and if he was a 5th round pick NO ONE would be saying it.

It's not that simple, because we're going through scheme overhauls on offense AND defense.

8-8 is our ceiling next season if all goes right.