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Micjones 06-11-2012 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 8672017)
A few thoughts (from a guy who never, and I mean NEVER, picked up a comic book even as a kid):

1. I watched Justice League as a kid. Everyone around my age did. All of us are familiar with the characters and many of us have kids now. There's a huge built-in potential fanbase. That means easy money if they don't screw it to hell.

2. I do think the Marvel heroes are much better and more interesting than the DC ones, but the DC ones aren't that bad. The Green Lantern movie was totally mediocre, but it's not a very bad concept/character. Batman is a top 3 superhero character, easy, and probably #1 in the books of many. Superman is stupid, but whatever. Wonder Woman has great tits. Err...wait, I mean she is a character that EVERYONE is familiar with (moreso than Black Widow) and they can rebuild that character any way they want for the movie. Flash is fun. Everyone knows him and he's just a pretty cool character. Aquaman -- well, what can you do?


I think they can do it, and do it right. I also think there's a pretty massive probability that they will do it wrong and it will suck. It's up to them.

They'd be fools not to at least try to make the JL film.
DC has much more mainstream comic book characters.
I know alot of people who don't know Natasha Romanoff.
I don't know anybody who's unfamiliar with Superman.

ThaVirus 06-11-2012 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 8670506)
Criticism of Superman as a character irritates me, even though I've never liked reading Superman comics that much. The one Superman story I did really like was Grant Morrison's All Star Superman, which I think is because he's one of the few writers that really understands the character. This is a quote from Morrison about how he sees Superman:

Read it. Superman is still a bundle of sticks.

keg in kc 06-11-2012 09:43 AM

I've always liked superman in that he's the reverse of virtually every other comic hero with a secret identity: Clark Kent is the mask. I don't know why, but that idea has always fascinated me.

Frazod 06-11-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8672258)
I've always liked superman in that he's the reverse of virtually every other comic hero with a secret identity: Clark Kent is the mask. I don't know why, but that idea has always fascinated me.

Yeah. I liked Bill's analogy of Superman.

ThaVirus 06-11-2012 11:02 AM

That's kind of cool. It's also kind of cool that he's super powerful. At the same time, it's what makes him lame. There's no sense of urgency or presence of danger to him, only the civilians he tries to protect.

He's just too powerful. In order to have a villain capable of beating him, they have to create someone even more absurdly powerful, like Doomsday. And that's the issue I have with most of DC. They're all ridiculously overpowered. You've got Supes who's probably at the top and Wonder Woman who can go toe-to-toe with him. The Green Lantern's power is only restricted by his will. A lot of people rag on Aquaman for having useless powers but he's a 100 tonner (that's comic nerd jargon for being able to lift over 100 tons).

Did you guys know the Flash is so fast he can vibrate his molecules through solid matter? So if someone were even able to catch him (he runs faster than the speed of light, so no), he could just vibrate through their hands. The Martian Manhunter is as strong as Superman with even more diverse powers. If written right, he's more powerful than Superman. Not to mention they have the god damned Batman!

So by my count that's 6 heroes capable of handing out more hurt than the Hulk did in the Avengers. To me, that's lame. I'd watch it just to see them all on the big screen, but I would never in a million years expect it to be as good as the Avengers.

Slayer Diablo 06-11-2012 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8669288)
Mostly this.

Marvel takes the guy who's below average and gives him power and then says "How would this guy react?"

DC comics say "Somewhere we lost a step to Marvel. ALL OUR HEROES must have more power/abilities/strengths than them."

You can relate to Batman. He's human, even if a ga-zillionaire. He's still human.

Then...then it just gets stupid on the DC side...

Ga-zillionaire is still okay. People can aspire to that, and that's why everybody wants to be Batman. They can't acquire Superman's alien origin or abilities later in life. Plus, saying "I want to be Superman!" is kind of like saying "I want to be God!" Yes, many people themselves would like to be God, but it borders on arrogant (and is flat-out uninteresting) to announce it.

Aries Walker 06-11-2012 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 8672165)
They'd be fools not to at least try to make the JL film.
DC has much more mainstream comic book characters.
I know alot of people who don't know Natasha Romanoff.
I don't know anybody who's unfamiliar with Superman.

You're comparing the least known of the Avengers with the best known of the JLA. Either compare Captain America to Superman, or compare Black Widow to, say, Cyborg.

ThaVirus 06-11-2012 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 8673371)
You're comparing the least known of the Avengers with the best known of the JLA. Either compare Captain America to Superman, or compare Black Widow to, say, Cyborg.

I'd say the only original/main member of the JL that most of the population couldn't name if you showed them a pic is Martian Manhunter.

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, Green Lantern.
vs.
The Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor.

The Avengers just came out and they've introduced the characters well enough in recent years so obviously that effects what people know. 10 years ago I would have said the Justice League was more popular. Just so happens that Marvel got their shit in the movie universe together before DC.

beach tribe 06-12-2012 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 8673596)
I'd say the only original/main member of the JL that most of the population couldn't name if you showed them a pic is Martian Manhunter.

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, Green Lantern.
vs.
The Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor.

The Avengers just came out and they've introduced the characters well enough in recent years so obviously that effects what people know. 10 years ago I would have said the Justice League was more popular. Just so happens that Marvel got their shit in the movie universe together before DC.

You could have asked anyone in America who Captain America, Thor or the Hulk is in any time period, and they would know. Marvel has been out selling DC for DECADES.

Micjones 06-12-2012 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 8673371)
You're comparing the least known of the Avengers with the best known of the JLA. Either compare Captain America to Superman, or compare Black Widow to, say, Cyborg.

That's a fair point.
I think Superman and Batman, alone, are more popular than any Avenger you could name though.

Amnorix 06-12-2012 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 8673949)
You could have asked anyone in America who Captain America, Thor or the Hulk is in any time period, and they would know. Marvel has been out selling DC for DECADES.


Not to quibble, but Thor isn't at the level of the others, nor the main DC superheroes. If you'd asked me who Thor was a year or so before the movie came out, I'd have said a Norse God (without any reference to comic books), and if you'd pressed me further I'd have to admit I had no idea that he was an important comic book character at all.

listopencil 06-12-2012 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 8670506)
Criticism of Superman as a character irritates me, even though I've never liked reading Superman comics that much. The one Superman story I did really like was Grant Morrison's All Star Superman, which I think is because he's one of the few writers that really understands the character. This is a quote from Morrison about how he sees Superman:



And speaking of Grant Morrison, there was a JLA story he wrote several years ago that I think could be a good basis for a movie. Basically Batman keeps contingency plans in case he ever has to take out the other superheroes, and a villain steals and uses them (in the comic it was Ra's al Ghul, but in a movie it could be whoever).

That's a fair attempt at making Supe interesting. But really, Paul Bunyan was kind of weak as well and for the same reason. A Supe movie can be done well enough to make the character interesting. Too many times it's crap because it takes a strong effort to pull it off. Also, he's got Batman wrong. Batman isn't a playboy. That's the stereotypical Bruce Wayne persona created to hide Batman's identity. Batman is the brooding genius/bad ass ninja who is borderline psychotic, with deep emotional flaws, that still manages to do what he thinks is right. It's a compelling character.

Sure-Oz 06-12-2012 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 8668850)
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I'd take 10-1 Odds the Hulk would stomp Doomsday's ass.

Perfect

ThaVirus 06-12-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 8673949)
You could have asked anyone in America who Captain America, Thor or the Hulk is in any time period, and they would know. Marvel has been out selling DC for DECADES.

Maybe in the comic book world. No way in hell Captain America and Thor were more popular before their movies came out recently. I'd say The Flash, Wonder Woman and Aquaman are just as well-known despite not having a movie released in the past decade.

ThaVirus 06-12-2012 12:17 PM

The only superhero in Marvel that could touch Superman and Batman in a battle of recognition is Spider-Man.. And even he would take third place to those two.

Edit: Maybe The Hulk or Wolverine. Still, neither is as popular as Bats and Supes


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