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alnorth 08-24-2012 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8846736)
That's all well and good. But I don't cycle competitively for one reason and one reason alone:


1. Saddles.

Yeah, probably not your first guess huh? Have you ever sat on one of these things doing 35 MPH in France?

Sure the dude had a distinct advantage but that has been disclosed for a long time. Sheryl Crow told me in 1997. Seriously, Lance Armstrong is the king of the TdF because he has but one schwetty ball. Imagine if you will just how deeply you could thrust your wife if you dropped from a 54" waist to a 34", for instance. This is precisely the same benefit provided to Armstrong by virtue of his brave Halfstration.

Judge less, neuter more.

ROFL

alnorth 08-24-2012 08:08 AM

Apparently the USADA had more than I thought. Like I said, you almost don't need anything because its clear that Armstrong couldn't have beaten all those cheaters during his 7 wins clean.

Blood samples from his comeback attempts in 2009 and 2010 have come back showing he's still cheating. He stopped cycling and was trying to come back as a triathlete when the USADA shut him down.

And of course you have a slew of credible witnesses.

redfan 08-24-2012 08:15 AM

How in the heck did this guy pass over 500 doping tests? Help from the UCI?

alnorth 08-24-2012 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redhed (Post 8847028)
How in the heck did this guy pass over 500 doping tests? Help from the UCI?

The cheaters were way out ahead of the testers back then, taking stuff and blood doping in ways that either could not be detected yet, or by taking masking agents that could not be detected yet.

What they are doing now is clever, the ICF started something called the athlete passport, and other sports are catching on. They basically said "screw it, we're never going to be ahead of the drug companies, instead of looking for drugs we can't find, we'll just monitor the blood"

We all know about T/E ratios and how we still try to find steroids directly, but if the ratios get out of whack, we'll just assume you are on some kind of new designer steroid we cant see. They are now doing that with every biological cell, hormone, or substance that might occur naturally and which can help performance. We analyze the hell out of your blood, figure out what you are capable of naturally, then set ranges, for that specific person, based on what we've determined they can do. If they break those ranges in red blood cell production, or hormones which can improve performance, or whatever, we'll just say you cheated even though we don't know what you've done yet.

It seems to have been very effective, and race times went up after they started the athlete passports.

mikey23545 08-24-2012 08:46 AM

Those who can't will always attempt to pull down those who can.

It's part of the Current Doctrine against people who achieve great things. To allow it to be believed that they do it because of great desire, effort, or talent is unhealthy.

You didn't win those races by yourself.

Brock 08-24-2012 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 8847110)
Those who can't will always attempt to pull down those who can.

It's part of the Current Doctrine against people who achieve great things. To allow it to be believed that they do it because of great desire, effort, or talent is unhealthy.

You didn't win those races by yourself.

He cheated.

redfan 08-24-2012 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 8847057)
The cheaters were way out ahead of the testers back then, taking stuff and blood doping in ways that either could not be detected yet, or by taking masking agents that could not be detected yet.

What they are doing now is clever, the ICF started something called the athlete passport, and other sports are catching on. They basically said "screw it, we're never going to be ahead of the drug companies, instead of looking for drugs we can't find, we'll just monitor the blood"

We all know about T/E ratios and how we still try to find steroids directly, but if the ratios get out of whack, we'll just assume you are on some kind of new designer steroid we cant see. They are now doing that with every biological cell, hormone, or substance that might occur naturally and which can help performance. We analyze the hell out of your blood, figure out what you are capable of naturally, then set ranges, for that specific person, based on what we've determined they can do. If they break those ranges in red blood cell production, or hormones which can improve performance, or whatever, we'll just say you cheated even though we don't know what you've done yet.

It seems to have been very effective, and race times went up after they started the athlete passports.

Catch any of the Tygart intv. on Dan Patrick?
Laid it all out; transfusions, plasma and saline expanders, masking agents, prior notice to testing...

DaKCMan AP 08-24-2012 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8847192)
He cheated.

Don't bother. On a good day mikey has the mental capacity of a 2 year old.

NewChief 08-24-2012 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redhed (Post 8847207)
Catch any of the Tygart intv. on Dan Patrick?
Laid it all out; transfusions, plasma and saline expanders, masking agents, prior notice to testing...

Not realizing that doping was (and is, though the regulators have reduced it) a routine and necessary part of competitive cycling over the last 20 years is like not realizing that professional wrestling is fake (this according to a good friend of mine who raced with Lance pre-cancer and is very involved in cycling to this day).

Omaha 08-24-2012 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8846736)
That's all well and good. But I don't cycle competitively for one reason and one reason alone:


1. Saddles.

Yeah, probably not your first guess huh? Have you ever sat on one of these things doing 35 MPH in France?

Sure the dude had a distinct advantage but that has been disclosed for a long time. Sheryl Crow told me in 1997. Seriously, Lance Armstrong is the king of the TdF because he has but one schwetty ball. Imagine if you will just how deeply you could thrust your wife if you dropped from a 54" waist to a 34", for instance. This is precisely the same benefit provided to Armstrong by virtue of his brave Halfstration.

Judge less, neuter more.

You're doing it wrong.

Rausch 08-24-2012 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8847192)
He cheated.

So did Denver but even if they said today that their Lombardi's were removed would any of them care?

A decade of memories are immediately scrubbed from our brains?...

TEX 08-24-2012 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8847461)
So did Denver but even if they said today that their Lombardi's were removed would any of them care?

A decade of memories are immediately scrubbed from our brains?...

Exactly.

Frazod 08-24-2012 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8847461)
So did Denver but even if they said today that their Lombardi's were removed would any of them care?

A decade of memories are immediately scrubbed from our brains?...

I'm still wait for them to strip the Fifth Downers of their horseshit national championship. I assume that won't happen anytime soon, either.

vailpass 08-24-2012 10:59 AM

USADA is engaging in a dick move supreme. What is the point of this witch hunt?

Rausch 08-24-2012 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8847486)
I'm still wait for them to strip the Fifth Downers of their horseshit national championship. I assume that won't happen anytime soon, either.

If they did would it matter?

Would your hurt or their joy go away?

Nope...


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