Stone Temple Pilots fire lead singer
 

STONE TEMPLE PILOTS
FIRE Lead Singer
Scott Weiland
BREAKING NEWS
Stone Temple Pilots has unceremoniously FIRED its lead singer Scott Weiland ... who's been the face of the seminal rock band for 20 years.

The group released an ominously curt statement today, saying, "Stone Temple Pilots have announced they have officially terminated Scott Weiland." They don't give any further explanation.

It's pretty shocking for several reasons ... the main being Weiland has been a core member of the group since it came together in 1986. His voice has become synonymous with STP's sound ... on hits like "Plush," "Sour Girl," and "Sex Type Thing."

Another reason this came out of nowhere ... Weiland denied rumors he was leaving the band just yesterday, telling Rolling Stone, "STP has not broken up. I haven't quit. I haven't been fired."

Rumors of a split began a couple of months ago when Slash said STP had fired Weiland.

STP reformed in 2008 after a 5-year hiatus and toured through last year -- but apparently it hasn't been working out.

So far, it's unclear who STP has in mind to replace Weiland ... if anyone.

Weiland is set to launch a solo tour next month.


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Probably because he can't stay off the smack.

Hasnt he been fired like 3 or 4 times already?

Fired.. jailed... whatever

This is huge news said 1994.

Does this mean he is back with pearl jam?

ROFL

I must be out of the loop...i didn't even know that he was back with them.

Stone Temple Pilots is WORTHLESS WITHOUT HIM.

They may as well just break up and go form a new band. Christ.

It's too bad, but dude has always had problems.

Are there any bands left from that era that are together still and making hit songs?


Seems like the flameout rate is large for alot of those early to mid 90s bands..

Now he has time to do Velvet Revolver.

All good.

Good luck with that.

They'll be buying him smack to get him back making them money in a few years just like they always do.

I'm not sure how to respond to this...

Most bands don't last 20+ years without MAJOR lineup changes. They never really have. A lot of the individuals from those bands are still pretty prominent.

Depends on your definition of "together."

I thought AIC's "Black Gives Way To Blue" album was pretty ****ing awesome. They've got a new lead singer, for obvious reasons, but he took a back seat for that album and it was mostly Cantrell singing.

Slash will never work with him again, so no.

Hit songs? LMAO

Yeah, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and a few others. Grunge was a fad that lasted only a few years because the music and lyrics were so depressing. There's not much market for that anymore.

Actually, this is untrue. William did not take a "back seat" and sang on every track. But that said, the "reformed" AIC (which is missing Mike Starr and Layne Staley, both of whom are dead) is nothing more than a Jerry Cantrell solo project with another singer that kind of sounds like Layne.

I thought the album sucked and the tracks I've heard from the next album suck as well.

heh, yea i guess there are not many bands or solo artists for that matter still making hit songs after 20 years. Peoples tastes change over time.

No, you're missing the point: Grunge had it's tiny window and it closed rather quickly. Yet, you can name bands from the 70's and 80's that are still out on the road, putting out albums and having tons of success.

Grunge was truly a fad.

He sang lead on only 1 song, if I'm not mistaken. If that's not a "back seat" for a claimed "lead vocalist" then I don't know what is.

Yes, you are VERY mistaken.

JFC, that's ridiculous.

Pearl Jam is reportedly halfway done recording their next CD. Counting Crows just put out a CD of mostly covers about a year ago. U2 has become annoying, but they are pretty huge every time they put out a CD. RHCP have been pretty consistent. Ben ****ing Folds is still putting out great music.

Ironically, Grunge was every bit as faddish as Hair Metal.

Here's small snippet of a review of the album...

I don't give a **** about the review. I own the record, know the producer and can tell the difference (clearly) between Jerry's voice and William's voice.

To say that William took a backseat is just outright stupid.

You aren't the only one who owns the record.

I didn't need to look up a review to know that Cantrell's vocals dominate that album.

Hey, Dipshit, go back and re-read my post: I stated that it was nothing more than a Jerry Cantrell solo project.

But to claim that William took a backseat, especially when he co-wrote many of the songs, is just plain ****ing stupid.

Like you.

I wish I could find my cover for the album but I'm betting I could count the songs credited with DuVall as a co-writer with 3 fingers or less.

Saw STP live a couple years ago when they reunited, and they were surprisingly good. I'd heard stories of how they sucked lived, but they killed that night. Tons of energy, and played all their best stuff to perfection.

AIC last album lacked in two areas for me, inspired song writting (some of the lyrics and melodies were painfully bad), and their signature rhythms. As bass player I admire Mike Inez, but he and the drummer mailed in their performances. Instead of their simple groove with a hint of tribal-esque. beats they played straight boring rhythms. It just wasn't AIC for me.

After hearing Check My Brain on the radio I, too, bought the album when it came out. I guess I was expecting a new, edgy AIC album. It just seemed to be lacking something. I hardly ever listen to it any more.

Too much Beat Detective, which overly quantized the drums, too many layered amps (Friedman Marsha, Bogner Ecstasy and an old " First 500" Rectifier), lame, undistinguished bass tone and too much Eventide Harmonizer on the vocals, especially Duvall's tracks.

It was just lame. And the next album is just more of the same.

Oh, and the songs were well below average.

Nahhh most of them have had an OD problem.

RHCP last good album was Mothers Milk.

LMAO

Consistent with what, exactly? Guys dying from heroin overdoses? Changing drummers every other year? Changing guitarists every album?

LMAO

U2 released their first album in 1980. Their heyday was during the 80's, not the 90's.

Too fat.

Over the long haul I'd say Perl Jam and Nirvana/Foo Fighters were the best of the 90's...

Weiland is a great singer.

:facepalm:

I thought Chad Smith has been their drummer since the late '80s. Now it does seem that they have a new guitarists every album.

I grew up in the middle of the Mecca of grunge music. Figures too. Seattle has the highest suicide rate. ROFL

That said, it was ****ing awesome. But it's long gone, and did it's best to kill mainstream rock.

will ferril stepped behind the kit for awhile

Um Californication with Kiedis writing amazing lyrics while getting loaded on heroin during the creative process was pretty damn good IMO. I think you are in the minority there.

And Pearl Jam still ****ing rocks so blow me.

Can you provide a good argument against?

If you guys are into AIC, check out Kill Devil Hill. Rex Brown from Pantera, Vinnie Appice from Sabbath and Dio, Dewey from Pissing Razors and Mark Zavon (badass mother****ing guitarist from Nebraska).

It's cool. The next record is even better. Check it.

How about the mere fact that Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic sold about 7 million records? The subsequent records sold even more.

Is that a good enough argument?

Yeah. Their entire catalogue since then.

Does not mean it was their best work. BSSM had some good music on it. Still think that MM was better.

Isnt this a little different than saying "Mothers Milk was their last good album"?

IMO Mothers Milk was an overall a better album. Give it Away and Under the Bridge brought down BSSM down a few notches.

Cobain knew it lol.

I have no quarrel with you holding that opinion. What I am disagreeing with is this:

Dude what?
Frusciante the guitarist was gone for 1 maybe two
albums and and was replaced with Navarro then came back.

Hillel Slovak, Arik Marshall, Frusciante, Navarro, Jesse Tobias, DeWayne McKnight, Jack Sherman.

I loved Mother's Milk, but I thought BSSM was better.

bravo :clap:

That must be why Pearl Jam sold out Wrigley field in 45 minutes.

We're talking about the "movement" not one particular band

I have loved Pearl Jam from the beginning. I think the "grunge" label was always dumb. They are simply a great rock band. Are there people who still consider them grunge? Are there people who think grunge is a thing?

to put this into context, Tobias, Marshall, and Blackbyrd didn't record with RHCP; they're were all in the band for a cumulative 15min, collectively.

Sherman replaced Slovak for the first album and tour while Slovak was in another band with Jackie I, so really it's like this :

Sherman : 1984
Slovak : 85-88
Frusciante : 88-92
Navarro : 93-97
Frusciante : 98-2010
Klinghoffer : 2010-??

that's 5 guitarists over 30 years.

'grunge' WAS a fad - only people at least a decade older than me even use that word in conjunction with any type of musical genre though; it described the way posers dressed in high school.

Fact is, the music of the so-called 'grunge' bands is pretty disparate. Jane's Addiction sounded nothing like Chili Peppers, who sounded nothing like Soundgarden, who sounded nothing like Smashing Pumpkins.

I don't know too many bands from the 70's and 80's who put out records that move huge numbers, except for U2 and RHCP. Elton John.

But a lot of the 70's/80's bands move tickets purely on nostalgia; they hit the baby boomer market hard - even going so far to scalp their own tickets to make sure they gougue their 'fans' for as much as they can.

they've had at least 3 great records since then.

Hell, I'm in the minority, but I'm a big One Hot Minute fan.

Hey...Dane's in the industry, so that means his opinion on the subject is somehow more valid than anyone else's.

Only people in their fifties.

'Grunge' was laughable as soon as they started trotting that stupid ****ing word around.

No one my age used that word, unless we were making fun of old people.

'My aunt said 'grunge', hahahah!! Then I said I didn't want gravy on my mashed potatoes, and she said 'that's okay, you're 'alternative'. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!'

But no one who was in the moment ever went 'think I'll listen to some 'grunge' as they reach for the Mudhoney CD...ever.

Like, it was just rock music to us. There was no 'grunge movement' - all that shit's in hindsight. Geffen records was pushing Nirvana's Nevermind just as hard as they pushed GN'R and Aerosmith back then, played them all on the same radio stations. The compartmentalization within the industry didn't happen until later, after Nevermind went to number one and they realized the MARKET that was available.

Jane's Addiction was NEVER considered "grunge". They were Alternative and from Los Angeles, not Seattle. The Pumpkins were from Chicago and also considered an Alt band.

You're confusing genres.

Yep - confused the movement with the genre.

(like, 'alternative' back in the day included Jane's, Sonic Youth, Nirvana, Pumpkins, etc. Then, they started calling all the bands from Seattle 'grunge' in order to capitalize on the fad you alluded to...)

Wasnt grunge originally just the Seattle bands? Then later you had bands like Bush who were basically ripping off that sound...then there was the big alternative movement in the mid 90s......which became mainstream, so it wasnt really alternative anymore.

'Alternative', for me, happened in the mid-80's : The Cure, Jane's Addiction, Sonic Youth, Teenage Fanclub, The Smiths, Teenage Fanclub, The Pixies, Faith No More, etc. Red Hot Chili Peppers were on the fringe at that time (EVERYBODY thought those ****ers were weird back then)

Those bands are the major precursors to the Nirvana/Smashing Pumpkins/Soundgarden wave of the early 90's - FNM really deserves a TON of credit for getting the first 'alternative' video into heavy rotation onto Mtv ('Epic') and then Jane's came with 'Been Caught Stealing', and 'alternative' was the new catchphrase.

Nirvana going to number 1 was the moment it all changed...

And yes, by 1994 you had the Bushs and Green Days and Candleboxes and Collective Souls and whatnot, that capitalized on the supposed 'grunge' sound...but imitators are most always pale shadows of the originals...

They still pump it out, though - Godsmack, Nickleback, Chevelle, etc.; lots of bands now try to carry that 'grunge' torch...and it all sounds the same. Like the same producers use the same plug-ins and the bands patch the same tracks into their live rigs...

Hey hey...my my...

Green Day was a punk band from Berkeley that had nothing to do with the Seattle sound: I know, because I was there, knew Billy and the guys, along with producer Rob Cavallo.

"Grunge" was a term that was used to describe Seattle rock bands. Everyone wore Doc Martens and Sketchers and flannel shirts (otherwise known as 7th grade for me, but whatever). Fashion has always been intertwined with rock music.

"Grunge" was also a marketing tool used by the promotions departments at record labels. Before that term, no one knew how to categorize those Seattle bands. I spoke to the head of AIC's promotions department in 1990 and they had no idea as to how to market them. They started out as a "college alternative" band, even though they were touring with Extreme.

Did they, or did they not, break big in the wake of the success of the 'grunge' fashion and music trends??

Green Day had more in common musically with Nirvana than they did with Black Flag or GG Allin. Calling Green Day 'punk' is like calling Sonny & Cher 'psychedelic' - you CAN, technically, but...

And yes, I know you're 'in the industry' and that you know Rob Cavallo. Good for you.

Personally, I'd be torn if Rob C. wanted to produce my band's record; on the one hand, people in the industry would pay attention and it's a great way toget heard and put on tours.

On the other hand, it would probably sound like it was produced by Rob Cavallo...

No, they absolutely did not.

Warner Brothers marketed them to alternative radio as a punk band. They were a Berkeley Punk band. In January 1994, BAM Magazine, which was hugely influential, named Dookie as best album of the year.

GD had absolutely nothing to do with the Seattle movement, which was nearly dead at that point, anyway.

What the **** ever. You're what, 25 years old? So that means you were five years old when all of this happened. Add to that, you're some jackass know-it-all from Central Missouri that's so far removed from reality, it's actually laughable.

And if Rob wanted to produce your band (which would never happen, anyway), you'd be fool to pass up that kind of opportunity.

Exactly - 'grunge' had NOTHING to do with music UNLESS you're in the industry.

The kids LAUGHED at the term. I remember when DOD came out woth the 'Grunge pedal' for guitar. A $200 pedal, designed to make your gear sound like cheap dogshit.

And the flannel + Doc Martens were for the 'mall kids' and the jet set.

I had hand-me-downs and shit from Wal-Mart. The 'grunge fashion line' was readily available at Wally-World...but they didn't call it 'grunge.'

I remember watching AIC debut with Man In The Box...on the Sat they debuted it on Headbanger's Ball, and on the Sunday they ran it on 120 Min...

I know this because I watched both shows - I even recorded the headbanger's ball episode that had AIC onto VHS. Butthole Surfers, Danzig, and Mötorghead were on that episode, too.

Old times were good times.

:facepalm:

Guns 'N' Roses wasn't pushed at all, initially. Geffen felt that Rock City Angels (which at one point featured Johnny Depp on guitar) was the "IT" band, not GNR. "Appetite" cost $90k to record and until they broke through via touring, there was very little promotional money spent on them.

Furthermore, Geffen knew that market was "available" or they wouldn't have hired Butch Vig to transform Nirvana's sound, put money into their video, etc. Plus, Geffen had the reputation of being on the cutting edge in regards to new bands and sounds, so radio stations had no issue playing their releases.

The same plugins? LMAO

You appear to know just enough to think that you know more than you do. EVERYONE, every stinkin' producer that's producing, uses the same plugins, including UA, Waves, McDsp, Lexicon or Melodyne, etc. Any producer that's working has everything in their arsenal.

And using backing tracks is nothing new. Bands have been doing it for decades. The overwhelming majority of people go to see a "show", not to critique whether or not the guitarist played the solo note-for-note or the drummer didn't lose a beat or time.

Yes, it was dead. Kinda my point...after Nirvana, take another 'weird power pop/punk trio and push it' - you don't have to see the parallells; I do.

Candlebox wasn't pushed as part of the 'grunge/Seattle scene' either, but experienced huge commericial success in the 'post-grunge era', if that makes sense to you.

you disregarding me because of my age and location would be a mistake on your end, Mr. McCloud.

I've been fully immersed in music all my life. No, I don't have all the experience and stories about rock stars that you have...but that doesn't mean that you should completely disregard me.

Yeah we're obviously not commercial enough or 'cute' enough for Rob Cavallo. Don't have the right sound. Probably 'too raw' - maybe don't even play good enough. Surely don't write good enough songs.

What do you think, Mr. McCloud?? Is it even worthwhile, ir should some dumb young **** from the middle of MO hang up my spurs and get a job at the chicken farm??

in 1991 and 1992, when 'grunge' was huge and Nirvana was hitting #1 (you know, contexually the period of time we're talking about) Geffen was pushing GN'R like they (hehehe) were going out of style.

But hey, you were in the know in '86 when Zutaut brought them to Geffen, I'm sure you were at the first meeting.

I know just enought to know that is exactly what I DON'T wanna do

well, we don't run tracks and we never ****ing will.

Ever.

Hell, I'd love a drummer that's good enough to roll without a click...

No, what I think is that you're flippant remarks about me working in nearly every facet of the music business for the past 20 years are rude and uncalled for. If anything, you should be reaching out instead of trying to insult.

20 years ago, there was no internet. There was no way for me, a kid in Kansas, to communicate directly with people in Hollywood that worked in music business. There were no mentors in KC because quite frankly, pretty much no one had a career and cover bands were king. That's not the music business.

So, I had to pack up, move to a shit apartment in Hollywood, learn the business, network, grow my skills, etc. and so on. I would have killed to have had a mentor but I had to learn everything the hard way, although I met a shit ton of people along the way that did help shape my career.

The bottom line is that snide remarks only make you appear to be an egotistical know-it-all jackass. And that's a combination that won't likely get you far in this business.

And why wouldn't they push GNR? Why couldn't Geffen do both (which they did)?

Actually, I wasn't living in Los Angeles in 1986 (unfortunately) but I later knew Tom. And Vickie Hamilton had far more to do with Guns & Roses than Tom Zutaut.

But go ahead and keep insulting me. I'm sure that's great for your ego.

And once again, you sound like a person that knows just enough to think they know what they're talking about but in reality, doesn't.

So, your remarks toward me are perfectly okay, because you're older and have put in your dues you can say whatever you want, call people names like 'dipshit' and 'dumbass'??

If you notice, I refer to you as Mr. McCloud.

I'm not trying to be snide, or flippant - I'm sorry you take it that way.

I thought it was funny. I figured you'd think that it was cool that I even care about rock music as opposed to ooopa gangnum style or what the **** ever.

Sarcasm doesn't tranfer well over the internets.

I remember Appetite for Destruction came out around 87 but they didnt get big until a year or two later. I had a buddy that kept wanting me to listen to it, but i kept refusing. heh, "Who is that?" LOL

They did - I would spin the Illusions as regularly as Nevermind and Incesticide.
I know, Vicky got ****ED. She held their hand all the way to Geffen's front door.

But Zutaut is technically who signed them, so I went with him. He would've been the one in the room at that point (note : SARCASM, kind of)
Dude, you're one of the biggest vile-spewing shit-stirrers on this board.

Wiser man than me once said 'if you're gonna dish it out, you better be ready to take it.'