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Simply Red 10-05-2012 06:39 PM

no protest I guess. Hilarious how they just stoped talking about it.

McWickedson 10-05-2012 06:40 PM

But damn, holiday ****ing sucks at fielding.

kstater 10-05-2012 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 8980347)
no protest I guess. Hilarious how they just stoped talking about it.

It's under protest. MLB will have to make a finding, then if it's upheld, they'll re-start the game from the moment of the protest.

McWickedson 10-05-2012 06:41 PM

I haven't felt dirty about a win since the 1999 nfc championship game.

kstater 10-05-2012 06:41 PM

It's going to suck for the Cardinals to have to re-play the last 5 outs with champagne soaked uniforms.

jd1020 10-05-2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8980351)
It's under protest. MLB will have to make a finding, then if it's upheld, they'll re-start the game from the moment of the protest.

I can't imagine any scenario where they aren't playing tomorrow.

That call was so blatantly blown in a critical point in the game.

Simply Red 10-05-2012 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8980351)
It's under protest. MLB will have to make a finding, then if it's upheld, they'll re-start the game from the moment of the protest.

yay. So how do they regulate the crowds return, issue rain checks, i guess?

teedubya 10-05-2012 06:42 PM

The Braves made too many errant throws and left too many men stranded on base... but yeah, that call was horrific.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-05-2012 06:43 PM

More time for 'tang Chip

kcpasco 10-05-2012 06:44 PM

Then the Cards should protest Ross getting a 4th strike.

kstater 10-05-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 8980367)
Then the Cards should protest Ross getting a 4th strike.

They certainly could have, they didn't though.

Simply Red 10-05-2012 06:48 PM

I doubt this will get reversed. Sucks.

jd1020 10-05-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 8980374)
I doubt this will get reversed. Sucks.

Huh?

You think it stands?

There is no such thing as an "outfield fly rule." Should have been bases loaded with 1 out.

I don't see how there is any chance the result is upheld. This game decides who have a chance at a WS.

ShowtimeSBMVP 10-05-2012 06:51 PM

JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm

MLB has already denied protest

KC_Connection 10-05-2012 06:51 PM

And the protest has been denied...no surprise.

jd1020 10-05-2012 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8980386)
JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm

MLB has already denied protest

ROFL

What a joke.

kstater 10-05-2012 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8980386)
JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm

MLB has already denied protest

Would love to see the tapdancing around this.

Al Bundy 10-05-2012 06:53 PM

Uhhmm did anyone think MLB would not deny it? It is one of their primary teams getting the call...

Frazod 10-05-2012 06:54 PM

Just saw the replay. Wow. Very ****ed up.

O.city 10-05-2012 06:55 PM

The infield fly rule doesn't have to occur on a fly ball in the infield.

seclark 10-05-2012 06:55 PM

**** y'all...we're the cardinalsLMAO
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jd1020 10-05-2012 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8980393)
Uhhmm did anyone think MLB would not deny it? It is one of their primary teams getting the call...

I would think that in a game that decides who gets a chance at a WS with a call that doesn't even exist in the rulebook potentially changing the outcome of the game that it would be a no brainer.

jd1020 10-05-2012 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980398)
The infield fly rule doesn't have to occur on a fly ball

Look at this guy pretending it was legit.

Frazod 10-05-2012 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8980393)
Uhhmm did anyone think MLB would not deny it? It is one of their primary teams getting the call...

Yeah, they really dig those small market midwestern teams. :rolleyes:

Simply Red 10-05-2012 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8980383)
Huh?

You think it stands?

There is no such thing as an "outfield fly rule." Should have been bases loaded with 1 out.

I don't see how there is any chance the result is upheld. This game decides who have a chance at a WS.

i hope you're right - but they can call the IFFR practically on the warning-track, if they wanted to - If an infielder is enovlved in the play or has a chance at the play, at least that's what they just said on the TV, Atlanta's biggest hope should be that they recognize the ump waited until the ball was 9' off the ground before he signaled. They have to give the call immediately. I just hope other factors don't enter into their decision.

ArrowheadMagic 10-05-2012 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8980387)
And the protest has been denied...no surprise.

lol... they better change the rule then. Next year might have a few protests.

jd1020 10-05-2012 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 8980403)
i hope you're right - but they can call the IFFR practically on the warning-track, if they wanted to - If an infielder is enovlved in the play or has a chance at the play, at least that's what they just said on the TV, Atlanta's biggest hope should be that they recognize the ump waited until the ball was 9' off the ground before he signaled. They have to give the call immediately. I just hope other factors don't enter into their decision.

The infield fly rule has to be called immediately on routine pop ups in the infield where the infielder is camped under the ball to protect the offensive team.

The infielder was back pedaling 50 feet in the outfield and was never at any point camped under the ball.

Doesn't matter. They've already denied the protest which is a joke.

I wouldn't have even been able to pop a cork on a bottle after that if I was a Cardinals player.

ArrowheadMagic 10-05-2012 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8980407)
The infield fly rule has to be called immediately on routine pop ups in the infield where the infielder is camped under the ball to protect the offensive team.

The infielder was back pedaling 50 feet in the outfield and was never at any point camped under the ball.

Doesn't matter. They've already denied the protest which is a joke.

In no way was the rule applied correctly.

O.city 10-05-2012 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8980401)
Look at this guy pretending it was legit.

Sorry my phone caused it to post before I finished.


The infield fly rule can occur in the outfield. Not saying it was the right call, but it can happen

Pasta Little Brioni 10-05-2012 07:00 PM

Terrible call, but no way they even considered overruling the play on the field. Tis what it is.

Simply Red 10-05-2012 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8980387)
And the protest has been denied...no surprise.

source?

Simply Red 10-05-2012 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8980407)
The infield fly rule has to be called immediately on routine pop ups in the infield where the infielder is camped under the ball to protect the offensive team.

The infielder was back pedaling 50 feet in the outfield and was never at any point camped under the ball.

Doesn't matter. They've already denied the protest which is a joke.

I wouldn't have even been able to pop a cork on a bottle after that if I was a Cardinals player.

wow, drat. Oh well

jd1020 10-05-2012 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980410)
Sorry my phone caused it to post before I finished.


The infield fly rule can occur in the outfield. Not saying it was the right call, but it can happen

I know what you were trying to say.

Should have never been said.

Frazod 10-05-2012 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8980412)
Terrible call, but no way they even considered overruling the play on the field. Tis what it is.

So strange to be on the winning side of one of these. 99% of the time I'm with the ****-ees, not the ****-ers.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-05-2012 07:02 PM

Now, the real playoffs begin.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-05-2012 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8980417)
So strange to be on the winning side of one of these. 99% of the time I'm with the ****-ees, not the ****-ers.

Yeah, doesn't feel as good as I thought it would. Oh well, off to the next round.

Frazod 10-05-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8980421)
Yeah, doesn't feel as good as I thought it would. Oh well, off to the next round.

Apparently you have to be from Colorado to really get off on it.

ArrowheadMagic 10-05-2012 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980410)
Sorry my phone caused it to post before I finished.


The infield fly rule can occur in the outfield. Not saying it was the right call, but it can happen

NO, that ball has not ,and will not ever be ever called with the infield fly rule. Poor call and because of traveling, wont be overturned.

Simply Red 10-05-2012 07:04 PM

yeah precisley - -it's that his call was so delayed, the call is for everyone watching and playing - but it's made immediately. They do have to make it immediate for the on base runners.

Great job MLB. Way to NOT admit your mistake at such a momentous/opportune time.

tk13 10-05-2012 07:06 PM

Jon Heyman is saying on twitter they haven't ruled on the protest officially yet.

O.city 10-05-2012 07:06 PM

The ball being in the outfield has nothing to do with the infield fly rule. It was an awful call, but an infield fly rule can occur outside of the infield

Simply Red 10-05-2012 07:07 PM

bunch of Scott Pioli's wearing Macgregor vests!

jd1020 10-05-2012 07:07 PM

Shit like that should NEVER happen. Ridiculous how the umps couldn't get together and overrule such a terrible call and play on with 1 out and the bases loaded.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-05-2012 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8980422)
Apparently you have to be from Colorado to really get off on it.

Is this where we bury our head in the sand and pretend the play never happened? I'm lost here. Those ****s have the art mastered though.

ArrowheadMagic 10-05-2012 07:07 PM

Congrats Cards. Move on

Simply Red 10-05-2012 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980429)
The ball being in the outfield has nothing to do with the infield fly rule. It was an awful call, but an infield fly rule can occur outside of the infield

correct - but it was when WHEN the dumbshit made the signal. the ball was literally almost on the ground.

jd1020 10-05-2012 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980429)
The ball being in the outfield has nothing to do with the infield fly rule. It was an awful call, but an infield fly rule can occur outside of the infield

Why are you even trying to defend the call at all? Seriously. Just stop. Everyone is fully aware that the infield fly rule can be called on the outfield grass.

Show me where its ever been called 50+ feet into the outfield with the infielder constantly back pedaling and still coming up 5 feet short of where the ball landed.

Frazod 10-05-2012 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8980433)
Is this where we bury our head in the sand and pretend the play never happened? I'm lost here. Those ****s have the art mastered though.

It was a horrible call. Much like the 5th down, the phantom hold in the '97 Chiefs/Broncos playoff game, all of the $tealer$/Seahawks Super Bowl, I could go on and on. It is what it is. I'll never deny it wasn't bullshit, but I'm been on the receiving end so often that I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Simply Red 10-05-2012 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 8980434)
Congrats Cards. Move on

oh i'm fine, like i said earlier - think i'm not used to this, being a Chief's fan and all?

Pasta Little Brioni 10-05-2012 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8980440)
It was a horrible call. Much like the 5th down, the phantom hold in the '97 Chiefs/Broncos playoff game, all of the $tealer$/Seahawks Super Bowl, I could go on and on. It is what it is. I'll never deny it wasn't bullshit, but I'm been on the receiving end so often that I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Yeah, the call was Dribbonesque, but oh well. Hell, I was waiting for the umps to start playing "pickle".

O.city 10-05-2012 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8980438)
Why are you even trying to defend the call at all? Seriously. Just stop. Everyone is fully aware that the infield fly rule can be called on the outfield grass.

Show me where its ever been called 50+ into the outfield with the infielder constantly back pedaling and still coming up 5 feet short of where the ball landed.

I guess you missed me saying it was an awful call?


Kozma was somewhat under it, waving his arms. It doesn't matter where he is. That's not the part that was ****ed up. The area doesn't matter, it's the timing and the overall call

jd1020 10-05-2012 07:13 PM

The call does make the gif in the OP that much better, though.

ArrowheadMagic 10-05-2012 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980429)
The ball being in the outfield has nothing to do with the infield fly rule. It was an awful call, but an infield fly rule can occur outside of the infield

Not at that depth, its an ump that forgot where he was. Its a call that makes every misplay of a pop up, a protest. Guy loses ball in sun, should have been infield fly rule.

Frazod 10-05-2012 07:13 PM

Oh, and people wonder why I don't like Holliday? One playoff game he should have cost us, and one that he did with his horrible fielding.

jd1020 10-05-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980450)
I guess you missed me saying it was an awful call?


Kozma was somewhat under it, waving his arms. It doesn't matter where he is. That's not the part that was ****ed up. The area doesn't matter, it's the timing and the overall call

Everything you say about it being an awful call goes out the window when you say shit like this.

The infield fly rule was put in place to prevent a short pop up from being intentionally dropped and turned into a double/triple play.

That play was NEVER going to be more than 1 out.

O.city 10-05-2012 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 8980455)
Not at that depth, its an ump that forgot where he was. Its a call that makes every misplay of a pop up, a protest. Guy loses ball in sun, should have been infield fly rule.

Where people are getting misunderstood, is the infield part. That's all I'm arguing.

Simply Red 10-05-2012 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980450)
I guess you missed me saying it was an awful call?


Kozma was somewhat under it, waving his arms. It doesn't matter where he is. That's not the part that was ****ed up. The area doesn't matter, it's the timing and the overall call

the timing was the critical botch tonight. **** it - who cares? I always have Footb................ OhYEAH - NM

ArrowheadMagic 10-05-2012 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980450)
I guess you missed me saying it was an awful call?


Kozma was somewhat under it, waving his arms. It doesn't matter where he is. That's not the part that was ****ed up. The area doesn't matter, it's the timing and the overall call

Rule states ump must call it immediately, did he?

O.city 10-05-2012 07:16 PM

Ok jd, does he have to be on the infield for it to be ruled an infield fly rule?

chiefsfan987 10-05-2012 07:18 PM

I didn't watch it but happened to be listening on the radio when it happened and the way the national audio broadcast described it they said the ump got the call right although they didn't agree with it. They said that the ump can call infield fly rule on plays like that because it didn't take "above average ability to make the play". Apparently there is a clause in the rule that specifically states this or so they said.

ArrowheadMagic 10-05-2012 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980466)
Ok jd, does he have to be on the infield for it to be ruled an infield fly rule?

Where the ball dropped, is that the infield?

O.city 10-05-2012 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 8980465)
Rule states ump must call it immediately, did he?

Where am I saying he didn't ? The timing and ruling that the player is in an area to make a routine play is where he ****ed up. The area he was in doesn't matter

Simply Red 10-05-2012 07:18 PM

does anyone know of any good free streaming adult sites?

jd1020 10-05-2012 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980466)
Ok jd, does he have to be on the infield for it to be ruled an infield fly rule?

No he doesn't... he can be in the outfield but he must be camped under the ball and the call must be made immediately. He was NEVER camped under the ball and the call WAS NOT immediate. There was NEVER any danger of a double play.

Even bringing up the fact that the call can be made on outfield grass is ignorant.

O.city 10-05-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 8980470)
Where the ball dropped, is that the infield?

No, it doesn't matter though.

Simply Red 10-05-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 8980470)
Where the ball dropped, is that the infield?

Rick Trolled.

ArrowheadMagic 10-05-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfan987 (Post 8980469)
I didn't watch it but happened to be listening on the radio when it happened and the way the national audio broadcast described it they said the ump got the call right although they didn't agree with it. They said that the ump can call infield fly rule on plays like that because it didn't take "above average ability to make the play". Apparently there is a clause in the rule that specifically states this or so they said.

if it puts the offense at a disadvantage

Pasta Little Brioni 10-05-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 8980473)
does anyone know of any good free streaming adult sites?

Sounds like a good time for fuq Red. Happy fap.

O.city 10-05-2012 07:20 PM

He doesn't have to be camped under te ball

jd1020 10-05-2012 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980482)
He doesn't have to be camped under te ball

Yes he ****ing does.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-05-2012 07:21 PM

TrollO City has returned.

O.city 10-05-2012 07:22 PM

Camped under no. He can be moving as long as its determined that its a routine play

Spott 10-05-2012 07:24 PM

I don't follow baseball at all, but knowing Atlanta got screwed by a team from Missouri doesn't bother me one bit after the Falcons and Dawgs ruined our football weekend last month.

Dr. Johnny Fever 10-05-2012 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980482)
He doesn't have to be camped under te ball

According to what was stated on the broadcast he does... but I haven't read the rule. It was a shit call and could have changed the outcome. That said said I wouldn't uphold the protest and replay it if I were MLB. Shit calls happen and this didn't drectly take runs off the board so I wouldn't over rule the umps, bad call or not.

That said, did I hear it wrong or are the Cardinals now hosting the Nats and if so why in the **** is that? The Nats won 10 more games and their division.

jd1020 10-05-2012 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980490)
Camped under no. He can be moving as long as its determined that its a routine play

Routine is side stepping a few feet.

Routine is not running 50+ feet into the outfield for a pop up as an infielder.

Keep on trollin.

Al Bundy 10-05-2012 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8980402)
Yeah, they really dig those small market midwestern teams. :rolleyes:

You guys are right up there with the Yankees.

Frazod 10-05-2012 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 8980496)
I don't follow baseball at all, but knowing Atlanta got screwed by a team from Missouri doesn't bother me one bit after the Falcons and Dawgs ruined our football weekend last month.

****ers swept us in St. Louis, too.

They should put that on a t-shirt.

ArrowheadMagic 10-05-2012 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8980471)
Where am I saying he didn't ? The timing and ruling that the player is in an area to make a routine play is where he ****ed up. The area he was in doesn't matter

The rule says he needs to make the call within reason of putting the offense at a disadvantage. The call was late, severely late. MLB will call it a judgment call, but thats not the rule. the rule wasnt applied correctly because he didnt immediately call it. No other ump called it that way. If it was truly an infield fly rule, why didnt the 3rd base ump call it?


Its a rule that wasnt applied correctly. Regular season game with no travel restrictions to put a team at a disadvantage... gets over turn.

Frazod 10-05-2012 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 8980502)
You guys are right up there with the Yankees.

My ass. Atlanta is three or four times the size of St. Louis and has a large national fanbase from years of TBS broadcasts. Don't forget the love affair everybody had with Chipper this year, too. Frankly, I'm stunned that such a godawful call DIDN'T go against us. It damn well would have in the WWNFL.

Do you think MLB wants to see St. Louis play in the World Series over teams like Philadelphia and New York? Do you think Fox does? They want Yankees v. Dodgers every ****ing year.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-05-2012 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever (Post 8980498)
According to what was stated on the broadcast he does... but I haven't read the rule. It was a shit call and could have changed the outcome. That said said I wouldn't uphold the protest and replay it if I were MLB. Shit calls happen and this didn't drectly take runs off the board so I wouldn't over rule the umps, bad call or not.

That said, did I hear it wrong or are the Cardinals now hosting the Nats and if so why in the **** is that? The Nats won 10 more games and their division.

Nats get last 3 at home.


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