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Al Bundy 02-03-2013 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9374457)
Regardless, the SB win doesn't make Sapp a better DT than John Randle.

He was a better DT, that is what makes him the better DT.

cdcox 02-03-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9374466)
He was a better DT, that is what makes him the better DT.

50% more times being named first-team All-Pro and 42% more sacks says Randle was better.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-03-2013 12:34 PM

But, but, but he wasn't a loudmouth asshole

ImAWalkingCorpse 02-03-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9374513)
50% more times being named first-team All-Pro and 42% more sacks says Randle was better.

In that defense Sapp's first duty was to take on double teams, and shut the door on the QB stepping up into the pocket. He got a lot of other guys plenty of sacks. Sapp was also a member of a superbowl defense AND in 1999 one of the best defenses of all time.

HotCarl 02-03-2013 12:39 PM

No question Randle was better than Sapp.

lcarus 02-03-2013 12:41 PM

Yeah I can see Sapp getting in over him for now. They're both great players. Strahan will get in eventually. Same with Shields and Ogden. Both great players. Shields will get in someday. Still though....14 seasons and never missing a game? Dude was a monster.

ImAWalkingCorpse 02-03-2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HotCarl (Post 9374528)
No question Randle was better than Sapp.

Well.. you never watched either play. So, I guess your opinion counts.

cdcox 02-03-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ImAWalkingCorpse (Post 9374524)
In that defense Sapp's first duty was to take on double teams, and shut the door on the QB stepping up into the pocket. He got a lot of other guys plenty of sacks. Sapp was also a member of a superbowl defense AND in 1999 one of the best defenses of all time.

The role of Sapp in the Tampa 2 as the under tackle was to shoot the gap between the LG and LT penetrate and disrupt. He's an attacker, not a target. Yes, he'll be double teamed on many plays, but his job isn't to just tie up those blockers, it is to penetrate and disrupt the play. It's as much his job to put pressure on the QB as any other DL. He is second all time in sacks among DTs since those records have been collected. He was a great DT. But John Randle was even more disruptive.

Team achievements shouldn't enter into this argument.

ImAWalkingCorpse 02-03-2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9374587)
The role of Sapp in the Tampa 2 as the under tackle was to shoot the gap between the LG and LT penetrate and disrupt. He's an attacker, not a target. Yes, he'll be double teamed on many plays, but his job isn't to just tie up those blockers, it is to penetrate and disrupt the play. It's as much his job to put pressure on the QB as any other DL. He is second all time in sacks among DTs since those records have been collected. He was a great DT. But John Randle was even more disruptive.

Team achievements shouldn't enter into this argument.

I know what his role was on the defense. He played his role just as effective as Randle played his role. I am saying they are equal.

ImAWalkingCorpse 02-03-2013 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9374587)
The role of Sapp in the Tampa 2 as the under tackle was to shoot the gap between the LG and LT penetrate and disrupt. He's an attacker, not a target. Yes, he'll be double teamed on many plays, but his job isn't to just tie up those blockers, it is to penetrate and disrupt the play. It's as much his job to put pressure on the QB as any other DL. He is second all time in sacks among DTs since those records have been collected. He was a great DT. But John Randle was even more disruptive.

Team achievements shouldn't enter into this argument.

I disagree, Sapp made the plays when his team needed them in an NFC Championship game, Sure Randle had a kicker miss a FG, but he still didn't make those plays in that game.

R8RFAN 02-03-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 9374345)
You left out that pesky superbowl win.

*** Tampon Bay Super Bowl Win



***Pretty easy to win a Superbowl when the opposing team knows all your plays

Al Bundy 02-03-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9374612)
*** Tampon Bay Super Bowl Win



***Pretty easy to win a Superbowl when the opposing team knows all your plays

Still bitter that the better team won eh ****stick? **** Time Brown, **** Jerry Rice and **** every pussy Raitards fans that doesn't believe the better team won. Bunch of chickenshit pussies, Tim Brown will never accept he just didn't have what it took to win that game.

chiefzilla1501 02-03-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9374513)
50% more times being named first-team All-Pro and 42% more sacks says Randle was better.

There's more to the game than sacks. Randle was moved around the line based on matchup, which made it easier to pile up sack numbers. And he was an okay run defender whereas Sapp was outstanding.

In the prime of their careers, Sapp was probably a better player than Randle. The only reason you can say Randle was better was that his peak lasted longer (Sapp's career would have been a lot better if he stuck with Tampa instead of wasting away in Oakland to end his career)

Bump 02-03-2013 02:37 PM

Sapp was a beast, he's deserving. But probably not over Strahan. I don't get it either.

Bump 02-03-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 9374457)
Regardless, the SB win doesn't make Sapp a better DT than John Randle.

I loved John Randle. That's the kind of guy you did NOT want to play against.


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