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Art Vader 06-26-2014 05:39 AM

I can understand the cartoonish imagery of fans dressing up like Native Americans being offensive, and possibly the profiting off of such imagery maybe being wrong and cheapening the Native American legacy, but the names themselves are completely different in connotation.

'Chief' is a vague term and ultimately a respectful word which honors the power structure of the Native American hierarchy. I feel like the 'Chiefs' actually benefit Native Americans by keeping their positive history and imagery alive in modern times, and I don't understand why Native Americans would want to do away with that form of respectful publicity which is driven by relevant regional history.

On the other end of the spectrum.. 'Redskin', is a racially driven term, pointing to the savage stereotype non-Native American people have used throughout US History to stir up fear and group disrespect against Native Americans. It doesn't help that it's in the US Capital where our citizens expect a message of equality. I can see the problem with this... not so much with the 'Chiefs'.

We live in the touchiest of times, but I feel like the 'Chiefs' and 'Redskins' monikers are night and day in terms of offensiveness.

Warrior5 06-26-2014 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 10716125)
I casino reason the Chiefs should have to change their name.

I see what you did there!

Warrior5 06-26-2014 05:44 AM

Piss on these people...

ForeverChiefs58 06-26-2014 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Art Vader (Post 10716136)
I can understand the cartoonish imagery of fans dressing up like Native Americans being offensive, and possibly the profiting off of such imagery maybe being wrong and cheapening the Native American legacy, but the names themselves are completely different in connotation.

'Chief' is a vague term and ultimately a respectful word which honors the power structure of the Native American hierarchy. I feel like the 'Chiefs' actually benefit Native Americans by keeping their positive history and imagery alive in modern times, and I don't understand why Native Americans would want to do away with that form of respectful publicity which is driven by relevant regional history.

On the other end of the spectrum.. 'Redskin', is a racially driven term, pointing to the savage stereotype non-Native American people have used throughout US History to stir up fear and group disrespect against Native Americans. It doesn't help that it's in the US Capital where our citizens expect a message of equality. I can see the problem with this... not so much with the 'Chiefs'.

We live in the touchiest of times, but I feel like the 'Chiefs' and 'Redskins' monikers are night and day in terms of offensiveness.


You couldn't be more wrong on redskins name. This is the popular media spin, only it isn't based on history, knowledge or facts.

|Zach| 06-26-2014 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Art Vader (Post 10716136)
I can understand the cartoonish imagery of fans dressing up like Native Americans being offensive, and possibly the profiting off of such imagery maybe being wrong and cheapening the Native American legacy, but the names themselves are completely different in connotation.

'Chief' is a vague term and ultimately a respectful word which honors the power structure of the Native American hierarchy. I feel like the 'Chiefs' actually benefit Native Americans by keeping their positive history and imagery alive in modern times, and I don't understand why Native Americans would want to do away with that form of respectful publicity which is driven by relevant regional history.

On the other end of the spectrum.. 'Redskin', is a racially driven term, pointing to the savage stereotype non-Native American people have used throughout US History to stir up fear and group disrespect against Native Americans. It doesn't help that it's in the US Capital where our citizens expect a message of equality. I can see the problem with this... not so much with the 'Chiefs'.

We live in the touchiest of times, but I feel like the 'Chiefs' and 'Redskins' monikers are night and day in terms of offensiveness.

Pretty much agree with this.

Though aside from all this the Chiefs name feels stale and really all it represents is mediocrity. Wouldn't mind at all if they blew it up and went with something else.

UK_Chief 06-26-2014 06:05 AM

The word chief isn't offensive. I just don't see how that can hold up in court. There aren't just indian chiefs in the world.

Arrowhead isn't offensive either - other people have been shooting arrows for centuries. Maybe we're talking about Roman chiefs?

They will cut down on the American indian stuff though, I think that is unavoidable.

Like someone else said, if the sports references to Indians go then they will be ignored even more.

|Zach| 06-26-2014 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by UK_Chief (Post 10716157)
They will cut down on the American indian stuff though, I think that is unavoidable.

Like someone else said, if the sports references to Indians go then they will be ignored even more.

More than anything its just sort of an awful look to build around visually.

Kman34 06-26-2014 06:07 AM

Any team with an animal name: Peta
Teams with Indian connections : Stupid Indian Bitch
Buccaneers, Raiders : Somali Pirates
Cleveland Browns: NAACP
San Diego Chargers: Weathermen
Vikings: Scandinavians?
Patriots: Decedents of the Redcoats
Saints : Devil Worshipers
Texans: Santa Annas Army decedents
Steelers; Soft Metal lovers

I could go on and on..............

Gravedigger 06-26-2014 06:08 AM

Change the name, I'm still going to yell out CHIEFS at the end of the national anthem.

007 06-26-2014 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 10716160)
Any team with an animal name: Peta
Teams with Indian connections : Stupid Indian Bitch
Buccaneers, Raiders : Somali Pirates
Cleveland Browns: NAACP
San Diego Chargers: Weathermen
Vikings: Scandinavians?
Patriots: Decedents of the Redcoats
Saints : Devil Worshipers
Texans: Santa Annas Army decedents
Steelers; Soft Metal lovers

I could go on and on..............

Don't forget about the Packers.

Marcellus 06-26-2014 06:09 AM

No chance in hell they win this battle. It will be like Little Big Horn.

Kman34 06-26-2014 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 10716162)
Don't forget about the Packers.

Packers: Homosexuals

Why Not? 06-26-2014 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 10716160)
Any team with an animal name: Peta
Teams with Indian connections : Stupid Indian Bitch
Buccaneers, Raiders : Somali Pirates
Cleveland Browns: NAACP
San Diego Chargers: Weathermen
Vikings: Scandinavians?
Patriots: Decedents of the Redcoats
Saints : Devil Worshipers
Texans: Santa Annas Army decedents
Steelers; Soft Metal lovers

I could go on and on..............

It's 5am here in AZ and I'm up to early reading CP in bed. I literally had to stop myself from laughing my ass off out loud and pissing off still sleeping family members at "soft metal lovers". Hahahah. Well done.

|Zach| 06-26-2014 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 10716160)
Any team with an animal name: Peta
Teams with Indian connections : Stupid Indian Bitch
Buccaneers, Raiders : Somali Pirates
Cleveland Browns: NAACP
San Diego Chargers: Weathermen
Vikings: Scandinavians?
Patriots: Decedents of the Redcoats
Saints : Devil Worshipers
Texans: Santa Annas Army decedents
Steelers; Soft Metal lovers

I could go on and on..............

Excuse my while I forward this in email form to a bunch of relatives. It's so spot on...a true gotcha moment.

Just Passin' By 06-26-2014 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by UK_Chief (Post 10716157)
The word chief isn't offensive. I just don't see how that can hold up in court. There aren't just indian chiefs in the world.

Arrowhead isn't offensive either - other people have been shooting arrows for centuries. Maybe we're talking about Roman chiefs?

They will cut down on the American indian stuff though, I think that is unavoidable.

Like someone else said, if the sports references to Indians go then they will be ignored even more.

It is offensive. The Indians native Americans just told you so. Why would you want to keep a name that's offensive to people?


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