Rex's system is but IIRC, Sutton calls for more pure 1-gap (shades from the NT) than Rex. Additionally, Rex isn't a true 46 recently and does have his nose and DEs play more 1-gap philosophies.

I don't know if he's cut but at this point, it wouldn't surprise me. Really thought he was going to progress this year and then, nothing. I mean, nothing.

So since we are likely staying 1 gap, here's my early free agency picks.


William Moore at safety, Richard Seymour (if he's released)

As to the last point, that simply isn't true anymore. Guys drafted in the first two rounds are typically expected to produce and at the very least, flash occasionally. Try telling your development theory to Watt, Wilkerson, Suh (who is overrated), McCoy.

He was lined up on the LT even during subs, wendler. he disappointed, yes. But I am not going to say he has peaked or isn't going to stick in the NFL. Hell, I don't even know why we are so stuck on the guy, other than to give him another go or not. This defense is lacking DL. He'll likely get another op, at least a look during TC etc. No idea if he sticks, but his initial step isn't the problem, he simply needs to learn how to play the game/his position at this level as most players do.

Uhh, no he was not. ROFL

all exceptions to the rule and you aren't considering the player's draft position/rating etc.

What does the fact that he played the 5-tech against LTs really poorly have to do with anything I just said?

He got abused off the line while doing it. He sucks ass at getting off the ball, that's why he was garbage as a 5-tech.

And yes, Poe was slow off the ball. He has a tendency to lose his leverage and 'fall' into defenders rather than explode into them. It's not like he's missing the snap count, he just utilizes poor technique off the snap. I'm by no means giving up on him and in fact expect very good things out of him in the future. The fact remains that he has work to do in this regard.

As to Dorsey...well you're just wrong. Dorsey's not amazing, but he's a starter in this league and will start for someone next year. Allen Bailey will never have the NFL career that Dorsey has had precisely because he doesn't get off the ball.

You just keep exposing your idiocy here. Though I do love that you begin and end each display with some sort of juvenile blather.

By all means, keep it up.

oooooooooooooh yes he waaaaaaaaaaaaaas.LMAO

he played under the LT a lot as I recall.

LMAO.

How exactly in the **** does that even remotely look like a 4-tech head up on a tackle?

http://draftbreakdown.com/wp-content...eifs-front.jpg

Additionally, this subpckg is a 2-4-5 which is not our most common sub variant.

Here;s an example of our 2-3-6 against NE. Bailey plays the same position as Tyson in subs and base fronts; Tyson is playing the 3 tech in b/w the RG and RT.

http://imageshack.us/a/img685/600/connolly1.png

Explain to me how our DL plays over the LT in subs again?

Good grief, Jackson put on a shit ton of weight this year. No wonder he sucked so much asshole.

Jackson is weird, cause if he could do what he did at LSU, he'd fit the 1 gap scheme pretty well. He was a high motor guy there. The 2 gap Romeo bullshit has infected this whole org.

When he called Goatse "Wendler" it ocurred to me that, while the name is new, he's clearly not a noob. So I looked at his post count and realized he'd been here awhile.

Then I hovered over his screen name and realize it was Lou_Zare.

Then I punched myself in the balls for wasting time responding to that assclown. He's Blackbobian in his ability to be wrong. Every. Single. Time.

And he adds his Blackbobian understanding of the game with a Dane-like streak if prickishness anytime anyone dares point out his inanity.

I'm thinking any additional effort put into schooling this ****tard is wasted effort.

**** me. Should have known.

Pestilence posted a great breakdown in the "Reid finalizing..." thread. Basically he has coached in Every system known. I am not exactly pumped about the hire, but I am definitely withholding judgment.

Andy Reid gets some slack to take at least one or two chances on his staff.

Yeah, I;m only enthused because of his experience in different systems + us staying in a 34 front. Guess the Cardinals told us to **** right on off about Horton. Bummer.

Here's my worry, though.

When Pioli hired Haley, my response to the Pioli-smokers was essentially "Hey, even if we assume he was the mastermind of the Patriots roster, we know he had nothing to do with hiring coaches so why take him at face value on the hiring?"

Pioli knew nothing about hiring head coaches so I was loathe to give him too much rope.

Well Reid's dicked up his last few DC hires....so why give him rope in this area?

I'm going to give him a chance because it's only fair, but I'm not giving him any more rope than I would have if Pioli had hired him. There's nothing in Reid's track record to suggest that he's worth a damn at finding qualified DCs.

Another reeruned baby seal just got the club.

BOOM

This.


The one thing I will give him credit for on this, is that it seems he went and got the guy who's style fits whats here, not forcing guys into roles they aren't as good at.

Suttons record looks like Gunthers if he never had DT.

Andy Reid's track record with DC's (outside of Jim Johnson) is below average.

This is an uninspiring hire to me.

But I'll see what happens.

Yeah, I think that's about where I'm at. Love the Reid hire. Love the broad changes in the front office.

Overall, I am way more on the side of "players make the coach" and not the other way around, but I think we have earned the right to remain a little skeptical.

As far as I am concerned, we should bring back the whole lot of lineman and re-evaluate them at the appropriate condition and within the new scheme. Let's be real. There is a lot of PHYSICAL talent in our D-Line. Who the **** knows how the two-gap read and react bullshit ****ed up their mental approach to the game.

Basically, we need to can our perception of these players under the read and react defense and give them a chance to show what they can do when they are just bulldozing a gap. I have a feeling the mental aspect of the 2-gap approach was slowing down many of these players' ability to effectively get off the line. I am going to give each of them a clean slate.

Under is what I said, as in under front or inside the LT. Just because a DL lines up in a gap does not mean he's stuck there. there are many plays involving stunt/twist movements as you know.

JFC the children are coming out to play today.

We all know Bailey's odds of sticking in the NFL are slim, as is the case with most players drafted mid late rounds etc. I just want to hold up on calling him done.

there, that's the look I'm talking about. From there, and depending on what the offense does, he often ends up taking on the LT from that spot. That is all I was saying.

You're a ****ing mongoloid who can't tell the difference between different defensive alignments/techniques.

Agreed. The hire is uninspiring. There's concerns, but also potential bright side.

My concern is that Sutton's track record has been anything but spectacular. My other concern is that he goes to 2-gap, which I imagine is what he ran under Mangini.

The bright side is... great to see Reid flexed schemes. Also he must have been very well respected for Rex to keep him on staff after Mangini was fired. Even if he got demoted, it's fairly unusual for a DC to stay on the team after he's fired. The other key points are that he's now familiar with the Rex Ryan scheme. Let's hope he's learned a thing or two. Also, in his first stint as DC, don't forget that he had to adjust a 4-3 into a 3-4, which can take some time to do.

Poe has the best potential by a mile of all those guys.

Why would anyone think to put him anywhere but the nose? Especially in a league where a nose with versatility to play across the line is becoming increasingly important?

Yeah he ran a 2-gap under Mangini and the defense suffered, he also was part of a decent 1-gap 4-3 under Sperm and a very very good 1-gap under Ryan. I think he will run the 1-gap because the defense's he's been associated with were better and he will have the say. I agree with Clay on the run defense but with Flowers that should be mitigated to some extent if Sutton runs anything like Rex

You are wrong.

and you're a whiny lil girl who has no idea what "the edge of the defense" even ****ing means.

Hali rushes the QB and Bailey sets the edge in that alignment you idiot and that is why he moves out to meet the LT.

JFC you have become a stupid ****ing dork.

You could make that statement about the entire defense.

These guys were so poorly coached, so fundamentally unsound that I'm giving everyone on this team a complete pass.

Bailey was primarily an attacking defensive end at Miami out of a 43. He was a legit 6'3", 285 lbs. at the combine with superb measurables. He led the Canes in sacks and TFL for two straight years and was a 1st Team All-Conference his senior year.

He was jammed into a two gap 34 or a 2-4-5 third down subpackage with shit coaching.

Two gap 34's require a decision by the linemen to choose the gap that they are going to hold right off the snap versus a 1 gap which is a presnap determined, upfield penetrating style that forces the offensive lineman to actively engage the defender versus the two gap which means to have the defender hold the o-linemen during their movements.

Bailey, Powe and Poe should all be better suited for a one gap style versus a two gap.

In fact, with the personel that we have, especially Poe and Berry, a 46 type of defense would actually be ideal. The only thing we're really missing from that is a big, press coverage corner. Someone just like Xavier Rhodes or David Amerson - one of which should be available with our first pick in the second round.

I'm with you. We just don't know what we have in some of these players, especially young guys like Bailey. So much of D-line play is about intensity, and these guys played soft as shit. And I've said this before, but when you spend almost all your time learning 2-gap, there's not much room for teaching you how to play 1-gap principles.

I don't know what we have in Bailey, but I'd like to see how he responds to better coaching and full time commitment to 1-gap.

Haloti Ngata.

Hmm... very good point.

I would still rather Poe be groomed to play more of a Wilfork role. I don't like the way traditional 0-techniques become such a huge liability in no-huddle. One of the reasons I really liked the Poe pick. I like having defensive personnel that can legitimately play every down.

sadly, he's right

That hasn't been true for a while, now.

I agree. However, Bailey has been playing 1-gap principles in sub packages this year and didn't do much with his reps. I hope I'm wrong as I would really love to see the guy pan out. At thisnpoint though, I think it would be wise to use a 2nd or 3rd on Hunt from SMU depending on how the draft shakes out.

Yeah, but being a young guy, do you think Bailey's ever had the right training to play 1-gap? I would have to imagine that in his time with KC, the majority of his time was spent learning read-and-react 2-gap principles. Might look like a different layer if you coach him to be in attack mode at all times.

Clark's going to draft himself :eek:

It will be epic. Kiper's head will literally explode on air.

Now that I would like to see.

That or his hair devours him, McShay, and Boomer.

I'd prefer this actually.


Good idea for a sci-fi original movie too.