Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB
 

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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Smoke screen.

After watching that Missouri game as a fan, I'm absolutely convinced now that we'll take Joeckel.

Every CP member says smoke screens, if Mayock, Breer, Schefter was to say this they would be ****ing morons. Dorsey gets a free pass lol.

Welp. There it is.

I now have a terrible feeling we'll be taking Star Loltulei #1.

nice move to take retroactive credit for wilson....slick

You hope. This doesn't help the first pick look desirable.

On a side note, it's cool to hear that Dorsey is going to put a hard leadership test on these QB's in the interview.

I wish we could see these interviews. That would be awesome.

This is scary

http://i.imgur.com/hnP3Ofp.gif

He's the ****ing GM, you dumbass.

Why tip his hand now?

He's our GM? Wow I never knew that. At least we know our GM isn't blind.

Well, if he is telling the truth, looks like our QB will come in round 2. I have no idea what they are thinking with the #1. Kind of pisses me off we didn't tank last year!

That would be strike 1.

Is the new front office completely tone-deaf? How can Clark, and now Dorsey, not be able to read the tea leaves on how much fans want a new QB?

I can't think of one positive reason to say this. I can't find any logical smokescreen potential in it.

No reason to blow smoke when you have the first pick.

He doesn't have anything to hide. He has the first pick in the ****ing draft.

And no. Nobody is going to want to trade up with us for a QB in a class that is called weak or for any other player that doesn't stand out.

There you have it. Looks like we are probably Foles landing spot, and no QB taken this year.

Exactly.

Just how many times were you dropped on your head as a child?

This.

The fans that want a QB at #1 are in the minority.

Match up what Dorsey says he is looking for with Genos radio interview.

Rest easy, bros.

This

Keep telling yourself this. Explain to me how exactly or why exactly a GM of a team with the first overall pick would come out and say this? What is there to gain.

This is absolutely them softening the blow for Foles, and it's sickening me.

Who gives a **** about Star or Joeckel or Millner or Jarvis Jones...none of them offer the risk/reward of a QB.

Hedge your bets, morons, or you're gonna repeat history.

Just when I thought my day couldn't get worse...JFC!

And yeah, what smoke screen? We have the #1 pick.

This isn't good.

The best things that happen to the Chiefs are not terrible things. Drafting a QB would be a good thing; therefore, it won't happen.

Im Ok with getting Barkley in round 2

I have ZERO problem with them trading #65 for Foles.

Hell, I won't even care if they trade #34, as long as we take a QB #1.

THERE'S LITERALLY NO ONE ELSE TO TAKE.

And if he's not there?

The game is won in the trenches /mainstream kc fans

Dorsey is sucking on Russel Wilsons cock now but if they never even made the playoffs, he wouldn't be saying jack.

I bet it's going to be Star. Bout the only guy that makes sense that would be a starter day 1.

Let's hope one of the QB blows people away over the next month and the Chiefs take that QB with the first pick.

Well, whatever. I'm still in 'wait and see' mode.

7 Days until Qbs interview at the combine. 8 days until they throw. Hope Geno impresses.

He is working with scouts from the previous regime, is he not?

He even said he and Reid would go to every workout/interview opportunity and SET THEIR OWN BOARD.

He even listed scheme flaws as one of his reasons, IMO he was talking directly about Geno with that one.

LMAO

Star Jackson and Nick Cassel....it'll be a great 7 months until the first snap.

If they send a pick for Foles, he's the guy. They won't take another guy early in the draft, likely a late round flier.

The problem with Dorsey drafting a QB with the 1st pick because he was blown away by interviews or pro days is that he would then be someone who doesn't put the stock into gametape that he should.

Everyone knew Wilson had everything except for size. He's the new Flutie.

Of course he interviewed exceptionally...it doesn't take hindsight to see that.

Geno and all the other QB's were prob making fun of Dorsey's speech impediment, lisp and peanut butter/nutella stuck in his mouth so he got offended.

what does that have to do with Dorsey and this article?

Again, keep telling yourself that. On draft day when we don't take a QB at 1, this place shouldn't explode. The front office has been getting them ready for it for 2 months.

No.

Same here. Why keep getting angry every week or so? Its a while until the draft. I'm excited for the combine, and FA.

Watch....we'll trade for Foles a day before the combine.

Dorsey is clearly a BlackBob mult and a troll. Ban him!

Yeah, he is. He kept the old scouts on.

Can't trade before the 12th.

Read the thread and think about it some more.

LMAO

Link?

Speaking of hindsight, Andrew Brandt was on 610 the other day saying they were looking for a couple of 2nd's for the Green Bay Aaron Rodgers pick. Said the NFL landscape would be vastly different had their phone rang, instead they took Rodgers.

Hopefully there is no other choice come draft day.

yeah, that seems like a very likely scenario... dumbass

All he said was that there was no clear cut #1 and that he and Reid would be setting their own board.

It's February...give it time.

Jfc. This place is ridiculous sometimes.

****ing Christ. He's not sending a smoke screen. No one gets to pick before him. We're in deep shit unless Geno or Tyler blow the ****ing combine away. ****!

Insert OMG PANIC gif here.

I bet we're going to try like hell to trade the 1st pick in any way.

If we traded for Foles, then I wouldn't be surprised if we try to package a swap of first round picks with them so that we could get Foles+ draft picks.

Ugh.

If we didn't have the first overall pick, I could take Clark's comments and Dorsey's in stride as a smoke screen. So unless we're trying to get someone's attention to trade up, I really don't see the need to shoot smoke.

I think it's funny how Teicher is always pushing buttons. That, if they draft one at all line is classic rile up the natives AT.

Let's all discuss this next week around this time. I think we will have some differentiation after the combine.

They haven't been fired nor have new scouts been hired. And I believe there was a picture of him consulting with the old scouts. I bet the higher level scouts are replaced after the draft. For now, good for Dorsey for not having the ego to not give these guys a chance.

Look, I'll trust in Dorsey, no matter the pick. Doesn't mean I'll like it, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not like he's had a hand in building championship caliber rosters or anything....

He didn't say first overall pick. He said first round pick.

Sounds to me like he's questioning whether these guys are worth a top 32 pick right now.

Yeah, I'm hoping you're right.

Yeah, yeah. I am the dumbass now.

Getting rid of Casshole is the first step to redemption

I know you guys want your pitchforks but it doesn't seem like there is. In true Chiefs fashion it looks like when WE get the #1 pick the options available to us are sub par. No matter how much you guys wanna rationalize Geno this sucks hard for us.

I read it again and i still see nothing about the Oline and Dline or anything from KC fans.

I see an article talking about an inconsistent QB draft class. :shrug:



I guess i just missed it

Yeah, porbably!

****ing reerun.

Yep. We can probably get Barkley, Geno , or Wilson with the comp 3rd round pick we get.

Dorsey is such an arrogant prick.

Yeah, because Cam Newton was such a better prospect than Geno.

Since you know, he had no attitude issues and was a flawless passer with great footwork.

I wasn't saying that. I just a few posts mentioning a smoke screen and it doesn't fit with the number 1 pick overall.

I'm not going to lose my shit over it. I'm happy with who is running this franchise. Just going to have to roll with the punches. Why do we keep getting top picks in shitty draft classes? Why does God hate the Chiefs? LOL

well if the league really does think there aren't any high draft QB's then we need to make sure and have a plan to trade back into the middle of the 1st round after we select someone else at #1.

No matter how much you want to jump the gun, it's not even March yet. We have a combine and pro days to go. There is a ton of evaluation left. The year Newton came out, everyone thought the same thing.

Don't care what anyone says, even our GM, until after they've had the opportunity to go through the combine, interviews, pro days, etc.