well shit...

barkley gone!

This thread = dead.

Oh....Twitter boy.

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Just traded Vick's fumbles for Barkley's picks.

heh

I'm confused why we drafted that RB(minor reach) with our 3B if we were indeed targetting Barkley(as Philly's trade up would seem to indicate.)

Is Dorsey amateur hour?

You are given the FO way too much credit. Take a 7th round RB early just in case.

Who gives a ****? I mean seriously....you guys are going to get bent over not taking a 4th round QB?

First day here?

Barkley is way damaged.

NFLN reporting now that the Chiefs were GOING to take him in the 4th...

Which is reeruned thinking on their part.

They werent gonna take him. Id they wanted him to just give up a 7th.

If we wanted him than expect a qb with our pick now.

I don't know what Chip Kelly is planning, but Barkley doesn't seem to be a perfect fit for the kind of things he usually likes to do.

Looks like Smith-Daniel-Stanzi is your QB trifecta.

At least we got rid of the Duke of Dink and Pretty Boy Golden Domer. They both suck out loud, and I have no idea why other teams would want them on the roster.

Passing on Barkley in the fourth would just cement the Commitment to Mediocrity.
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If it's true that we were gonna take Barkley with our fourth rounder, that right there is a microcosm of the fail that this draft.

That means we passed on him with the comp pick and Philly exposed it.

Sorry CC; I would have been very happy to get him.
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Sorry CC; I would have been very happy to get him.
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This story is based on an Eagles exec who thinks he knows Andy Reid well enough and 10 team personnel guys who said they thought KC was a threat to take him (and by the way... they mentioned Oakland as a potentially bigger threat). Well, duh, you have a QB that falls to the third day and of course there will be teams that think one of the first teams at the top is going to want him.

Barkley isn't worth a shit.


Who gives a ****?

Then Dorsey drafting the RB at 3b is inexcusable(as he would have slid to rd 4) and is a more flat out blunder than anything ***** did and possibly anything Carl did either.

Barkley wasn't going to get taken by KC. This FO is committed to Alex Smith and Barkely would have been to big of a name to have on the bench if things start shaky.

Logically speaking it seems that they didn't want him by taking the RB who would have slid all the way to round 5 with our 3B with Barkley still on the board

What an abortion.
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Was just mentioned that the Chiefs never had any plans of taking Matt Barkley, which was pretty obvious when they bypassed him for a fragile fumbler at the end of the 3rd.

The decision was Nico all along.

Nico should've been taken in front of Knile.
Nico isn't a bad pick.

Every other pick was.

When you have no QB on the roster, anything looks great.

Bottom line is we could have used him. We really could have.

He knows Barkley well. He would not have drafted him if he couldn't fit him into his system.

This. Hyperbole aside, our "depth" is pure shit, and no ****ing "QB Guru" is gonna' cleanse that stink.
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I'll take Bray over Barkley.

LMAO You'll take jack-shit and like it apparantly...
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Interesting John Dorsey interview by Keitzman yesterday. He basically got Dorsey to come out and say that he felt that Knile Davis and Nico Johnson were going to be better NFL players than Barkley. Said that on his board they had Johnson and Barkley as equal players, and they ended up going with need in that spot. Said he has Barkley rated the same as he did last year (indicating that Barkley to him was always a fourth round prospect).

With that information in hand, it's going to be real interesting to see if Barkley proves him right or wrong...

Sweet lord...
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We should have picked this kid up in the second or third round. **** Alex Smith.


He looked pretty damn sharp with the Eagles not perfect but had sharp crisp throws and good decisions.


Yeah his shoulder injury of last year would have made him a risky pick but so the **** what? He looks like he can turn into a real stud.

Barkley is too slow in drop, has poor hip movement that forces him to reset his feet too often during progressions. he was pretty good in college, he'll get killed in the NFL.

Nico looks like a good LB at this level. He's gonna stick.

Better option than Alex Smith with the second round pick.

lost his competition badge by week two against Foles & Vick.

he isn't even a better option than Bray, who I do not care for.

Vick has looked outstanding from what I saw him do against the Panthers. Haven't seen Foles play so no judgment can be made on him by me.

Was very impressed with Vick and I wouldn't say that normally. I think Chip Kelly is getting that offense humming and I'm kind of liking how I think it's going for them. I think the Eagles may have found a better coach than Andy Reid.

Also just because he loses out in competition during preseason his rookie year doesn't mean Matt Barkley wouldn't be a better option down the road when he improves his game. The idea is to improve and work hard to get better and keep at it.

I like Chip Kelly, smart guy. But Vick will turn the ball over and eventually Chip will go to Foles, once Foles gets up to speed. or Vick will get creamed and Chip will be forced to put Foles in.

I don't think any of the QB's in this year's class is worth a shit at this level. EJ is possibly the best of them and he's got a huge uphill to climb.

JMO. we shall see.

They would have been better options than Alex Smith and we could have kept our 2nd or 3rd round pick next years draft to use and possibly look and take another quarterback if need be. We wouldn't have to be stuck just on this years draft class and we wouldn't be stuck with Alex ****ing Smith.

We could have had a quarterback competition with a pick this year and next years class.

Because, you know, our fortunes depend on that particular pick. We are doomed because we don't have THAT pick which of course would have been a HOF player.

I'm not saying anything about a HOF player WTF?? They have to prove themselves after they get drafted if they don't then you move on and try again.

better options, really? So, if we'd have gone 1-15 with another year of historically inept QB play, an empty stadium, wasting another year of Charles, Bowe, Hali, DJ, Flowers, etc.'s careers-that would be a better option? Because at this point in time, not a single one of the drafted QB's look like anything other than dogshit.

This isn't Madden. You can't just tank a year on autoplay and try again next year.

So is it any better to go 6-10 with Alex Smith?

All right we will see if Matt Barkley or EJ Manuel have better careers than Alex Smith.

With the way draft picks are viewed here one is led to believe that each one will net us one. We essentially gave up a second rounder for Smith, yet with the whining going on an impartial observer would think we gave up a draft or two for him. Smith is most likely not the answer, but we did not give up that much for him.

If we are to use the lack of first round QB argument and hold it over the head of every GM we get, then we have to look at our 2nd round pick failures as well.

Nor can you turn off the salary cap or make ridiculous trades.

That second round pick can be used as currency to move up in the draft if needed. Also this is Dorsey chance at draft picks how was his second round picks for Green Bay look? Judge his history with picks that way.

They might and they might not, it is all a crap shoot. Sure things bust and UDFAs make the Pro Bowl. Just to draft a QB that the team does not believe in just for the sake of doing it is foolish. And what if they had drafted a QB like Barkley or Nassib in RD1? Would you have been happy?

Fair enough, but then you can't hold our past GMs inability to draft a 1st round QB over the head of Dorsey.

For not drafting one yes I can. It's his job to better the team for long term and build a winner with.

It's risky of course it's all a risk and no damn guarantee in the NFL. I know it's always a risk with every player but to do the same damn thing and expect different results is definition of CRAZY or INSANITY.

His history says he will draft one in the first round, it has to be the right one. You are picking and choosing what you want to trust.

You didn't answer my questions.

Yes I would have been happy with Matt Barkley I'm not going say yes to Nassib because I don't have much of an opinion on him haven't really seen him play so I'm not going judge him.

We don't do that here.

You want a front office that builds winners and yet you want them to waste a #1 pick on a QB who ultimately went in Round 4 just for the sake of drafting one in Round 1? That would have set this team back farther trying to get him to pan out than passing on a QB this year. Had we passed on Luck or RGIII then that would have been a different story.

We also don't make good decisions with our second round picks, so it is good we don't have one next year then.

I'd be inclined to give Dorsey a shot at improving our 2cnd round output over trading the house for Axl Smith, wouldn't you?

I would also be inclined to think that Dorsey will draft a QB in round 1 when he feels the value is right, wouldn't you?

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Matt Barkley was a first rounder up until his shoulder. Doesn't seem to be an issue with him now. He would have been taken in the first round last years draft with all the stud QBs in it.

Yes I do. As I've said before, I was more excited about Dorsey than Reid, and the man-love acquisition of Axl did nothing to change that. I trust Dorsey more than Peterson, Herm, or Marty in the end, though one can not really call that group the drafting gurus of our age.

Though whoever signed off on Danielsssss has me truly ****ing perplexed...

And he effectively played his way out of first round consideration as the season went on. His shoulder is not the only reason why he plummeted to round 4.

I want the Chiefs to draft pick quarterbacks and develop them into winners so maybe we can win Championships down the road with.

Then why the freak outs when Dorsey passed on a QB in round 1 this year?

I have to say I may have been wrong about this guy. He looked good.

Well my eyeballs told me he played pretty good against the Panthers so we shall see if he can progress from that and if turns out to be pretty good then we ****ed up by not taking him.

Because, and this is damned good point; we could have had just about ANY of those guys at any time. We could have had Barkley, Bray, AND Smith in this draft on the cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeap.

Between the three of those guys, we could make one of them work.

Yes, I just advocated a 3 QB Draft/UDFA pickup for a team who's QB situation prior to the draft was THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE.

It would have been tragic to draft Manuel at one and keep Winston....

Horrific.

Preach it brother. Manuel was possibly the worst Bills pick I've ever seen.

Why would we have to keep Winston? Can't say we couldn't find a better option during the offseason than Winston.

Lil' Chiefy does not approve of this line of thought.

We can't have nice things.

Now which GM out there does that? What successful organization does that? This draft was projected to have a weak QB class and you wanted to take 2-3 hoping one works out? That's 3-4 years of hoping in the meantime passing on another possible stud in a year or two because you want to give your guy more time. If there was a stud QB available I would have been all over us getting him. Hell I wanted to give up three first rounders or more the year prior for RGIII. I just do not think blowing multiple picks on project at best QBs (at this moment) is smart business.

Sweet's goddamned organization, that's who.

ROFL Fair enough.