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luv 03-01-2013 08:23 PM

Is Flacco really worth that much?
 
Highest paid player in the league?

hometeam 03-01-2013 08:24 PM

No, but he will be cut or restructured a few years into the contract just like everyone else in the league with a big cap number.

Mother****erJones 03-01-2013 08:24 PM

Hell yes. Look at the QBs he outplayed for the past few postseasons. Might of bad 2 rigs if their kicker didn't miss a field goal after lee Evans dropped a game winning TD

BlackHelicopters 03-01-2013 08:26 PM

Pay the QB who won the Super Bowl. Simple. By the way, what does a Super Bowl feel like?

DaFuq W DisPlace?! 03-01-2013 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9455804)
Pay the QB who won the Super Bowl. Simple. By the way, what does a Super Bowl feel like?

Gud

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-01-2013 08:38 PM

They should have just let him hit the market and picked up Cassel for free.

Chiefshrink 03-01-2013 08:38 PM

I wonder if Joe will send a commission check to "Raheem(Joe Flacco's dream)Moore" for trying to be the 'failed glory hog'. If Moore decides to be a team player on that play ain't no way Joe gets his 120mil 6yr deal.:D

Mother****erJones 03-01-2013 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 9455829)
I wonder if Joe will send a commission check to "Raheem(Joe Flacco's dream)Moore" for trying to be the 'failed glory hog'. If Moore decides to be a team player on that play ain't no way Joe gets his 120mil 6yr deal.:D

Oh the fabulous IFs ANDs and BUTs

Fritz88 03-01-2013 08:43 PM

Yes.

Red Dawg 03-01-2013 08:43 PM

Flacco is not worth 120 mil becuase he is not the best QB by any means. They will regret this.

Planetman 03-01-2013 08:49 PM

See this?

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibti...ore-ravens.jpg

Nuff said.

Chiefshrink 03-01-2013 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9455796)
Look at the QBs he outplayed for the past few postseasons. Might of bad 2 rigs if their kicker didn't miss a field goal after lee Evans dropped a game winning TD

Back atchya !!:D

the wonderful "might of, shoulda woulda coulda !!

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-01-2013 08:52 PM

Dumb Thread !

Chiefshrink 03-01-2013 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 9455841)
Flacco is not worth 120 mil becuase he is not the best QB by any means. They will regret this.

I agree. Joe will be mediocre at best from here on out.

ChiefRocka 03-01-2013 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Planetman (Post 9455858)

Jail birds.

Smed1065 03-01-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 9455867)
I agree. Joe will be mediocre at best from here on out.

SB wins are expensive.

Bet all of you would let Clark Hunt spend more $ for a SB win.

:hmmm:

luv 03-01-2013 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Planetman (Post 9455858)

You think he's worth more than Peyton, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers? And those are just the qbs.

Mother****erJones 03-01-2013 09:14 PM

That eye looks stupid

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-01-2013 09:14 PM

Is Joe Flacco worth as much as Matt Cassel and Tyson Jackson combined, players whom the majority of this board's membership suggested were correct decisions at the time?

Yeah, I think so.

CHENZ A! 03-01-2013 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 9455905)
You think he's worth more than Peyton, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers? And those are just the qbs.

By the time he gets to year 3 there will be several more QB's making more than him. It's inflation.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-01-2013 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9455907)
That eye looks stupid

Jesus. That's a guy in a $6000 suit wearing a flat billed cap.

In58men 03-01-2013 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9455907)
That eye looks stupid

I was going to say the same shit.


It looks tweaked out lol. Meth eye.

Mr. Kotter 03-01-2013 09:20 PM

No...but he has the upper hand in these negotiations, because HE won the SB.

Just ask CP members.... :rolleyes:

Chief Roundup 03-01-2013 09:20 PM

Don't think I would. He would either sign a reasonable contract or he gets franchised and traded. Thanks for the SB but we are not going to committ that much to you.

bowener 03-01-2013 09:30 PM

This just makes Tom Brady look so much better. Peyton and Flacco hamstring their own chances of winning championships by demanding this enormous contracts.

ChiefsCountry 03-01-2013 09:31 PM

Flacco has 9 playoffs since he joined the Ravens in 2008. Before that the Ravens had 5 and 4 of those were in their Super Bowl run. They have also made the playoffs 5 straight years. Before 2008, only 4 times had they made the playoffs.

Flacco is worth it.

crossbow 03-01-2013 09:35 PM

Absolutely not. They should have traded for Alex Smith. It would have been the easiest thing to do without having to bother with all that thinking which makes you tired anyways. Those fools don't get it. Winning championships is what over-achievers do. Trust me, you don't want that because then you have to pay all those greedy athletes all that money. It is much better to accomplish decades of mediocrety. Hello ?!?!! Its called consistancy...Jeez.

SAUTO 03-01-2013 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 9455948)
This just makes Tom Brady look so much better. Peyton and Flacco hamstring their own chances of winning championships by demanding this enormous contracts.

We will see how much is guaranteed.

Brady walked with 57 million.
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ThaVirus 03-01-2013 09:37 PM

What's the alternative? Let the guy that just won you a Super Bowl walk?

I'd have to say he is. I wouldn't like giving him all that money because I think he's a bum and I question his drive, but the Ravens really had no other options.

Ace Gunner 03-01-2013 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9455796)
Hell yes. Look at the QBs he outplayed for the past few postseasons. Might of bad 2 rigs if their kicker didn't miss a field goal after lee Evans dropped a game winning TD

tru dat.

hometeam 03-01-2013 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9455965)
What's the alternative? Let the guy that just won you a Super Bowl walk?

I'd have to say he is. I wouldn't like giving him all that money because I think he's a bum and I question his drive, but the Ravens really had no other options.

It's this, and we all know the contract wont play out like it is currently structured. It's all about the guaranteed money.

RJ 03-01-2013 09:42 PM

Let's see.....nine playoff wins, a SB win, only 28 y/o......yeah, why not?

Besides, that contract will look like a bargain in a few years.

Bump 03-01-2013 09:53 PM

Superbowl MVP and a Montana like post season will get you PAID

GoChargers 03-01-2013 10:06 PM

Flacco absolutely deserves to get that paper. Dude is an elite quarterback in a QB-obsessed league.

Just Passin' By 03-01-2013 10:08 PM

Flacco's not worth nearly that much, but 31 teams in the NFL should be thrilled that he got it.

ThaVirus 03-01-2013 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 9456034)
Flacco's not worth nearly that much, but 31 teams in the NFL should be thrilled that he got it.

Why's that?

That deal just jacked up the asking price for QBs from here on out.

hometeam 03-01-2013 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9456037)
Why's that?

That deal just jacked up the asking price for QBs from here on out.

I think he is getting at that they tied up a massive amount of cap space on one guy, therefore being detrimental to the team in a major way~

cdcox 03-01-2013 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHENZ A! (Post 9455910)
By the time he gets to year 3 there will be several more QB's making more than him. It's inflation.

This. The highest paid player at any position will be the top 10 player that has the newest deal. In a month it will be Alex Smith.

Marcellus 03-01-2013 10:48 PM

My opinion is Flacco had a hell of a stretch, one for the ages really, and will soon return to his off and on medicore self making that contract rediculous.

TEX 03-01-2013 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 9455788)
Highest paid player in the league?

Yes he's worth it. Its all timing. Was Cassel worth $63 Million???

Planetman 03-01-2013 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 9455905)
You think he's worth more than Peyton, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers? And those are just the qbs.

Apparently you dont understand how NFL QBs get paid. Win a Superbowl, get an inflated, and most likely, backloaded, contract. Tis the nature of the business.

ChiefsCountry 03-02-2013 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9456037)
Why's that?

That deal just jacked up the asking price for QBs from here on out.

Ignore the ****ing idiot Pats fan.

ThaVirus 03-02-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9456253)
Ignore the ****ing idiot Pats fan.

Well, if he was getting at what hometeam explained, then he has a bit of a point.

I haven't seen the yearly numbers, but I think I remember hearing Peyton got $19.5. If they're giving Flacco $20+, they'll likely have to let go/pass on some other talented players.

Could work out better for the rest of us. Especially if Flacco turns into a fat cat.

-King- 09-05-2013 10:16 PM

Bump.

Mama Hip Rockets 09-05-2013 10:22 PM

A million dollars for each pass he has overthrown by 5+ yards tonight.

notorious 09-05-2013 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 9943312)
A million dollars for each pass he has overthrown by 5+ yards tonight.

He is going for Cassel's record.

Ace Gunner 09-05-2013 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9943267)
Bump.

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/p...-car-crash.gif

Eleazar 09-05-2013 10:26 PM

QB play in the NFL seems to be at an all-time low. Or rather, the number of QBs who can win a super bowl for you is at an all-time low, and the number of QB-poor teams is at an all-time high.

No, you don't let someone like Flacco walk.

Mama Hip Rockets 09-05-2013 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 9943350)
QB play in the NFL seems to be at an all-time low. Or rather, the number of QBs who can win a super bowl for you is at an all-time low

How do you figure that?

Bwana 09-05-2013 11:10 PM

Nope

007 09-05-2013 11:26 PM

not today

errr
yesterday

AlexSmithDynasty 09-05-2013 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 9943350)
QB play in the NFL seems to be at an all-time low. Or rather, the number of QBs who can win a super bowl for you is at an all-time low, and the number of QB-poor teams is at an all-time high.

No, you don't let someone like Flacco walk.

Flacco winning a super bowl disproves the point you are trying to make. He's an average QB and he won a super bowl. Him winning a super bowl shows you any average QB on a decent team can get hot and win a super bowl.

Consistent1 09-05-2013 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 9943350)
QB play in the NFL seems to be at an all-time low. Or rather, the number of QBs who can win a super bowl for you is at an all-time low, and the number of QB-poor teams is at an all-time high.

No, you don't let someone like Flacco walk.

While true, they just got lucky last year. I was having a discussion on the Mane with some dudes about that this morning, but they won the Superbowl not matter who likes it. Won't happen again this year. I was just glad to see them get ****ed up, even if it was Denver.

Jakemall 09-05-2013 11:52 PM

I've been slammed on several boards for saying that Flacco wasn't that good this offseason. I think he'll suffer greatly this year without Boldin.

AussieChiefsFan 09-06-2013 12:19 AM

No.

BlackHelicopters 09-06-2013 12:20 AM

He is " elite"....................

-King- 09-06-2013 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9943645)
He is " elite"....................

No he's not. Never will be either.

BlackHelicopters 09-06-2013 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9943646)
No he's not. Never will be either.

Define elite...........Oh and sarcasm.

Predarat 09-06-2013 07:15 AM

cAssHole > FlickOh

Dayze 09-06-2013 07:24 AM

they did get lucky like a MF last year in the playoff in Dungver. Like.....super lucky.
pulled that out of their ass, they did

Imon Yourside 09-06-2013 07:25 AM

No.

notorious 09-06-2013 07:28 AM

Flacco sure as hell had an elite run in the playoffs.


That is all that you can ask of your QB; Get it done when it counts the most.

Alex Smiff 09-06-2013 07:29 AM

Should have traded for Alex Smith.

ChiefsCountry 09-06-2013 07:39 AM

Alex Smith taint lockers think Flacco is average is pure comedy gold.
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Imon Yourside 09-06-2013 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9943912)
Alex Smith taint lockers think Flacco is average is pure comedy gold.
Posted via Mobile Device

He's good, just not worthy of #1 player in the league.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-06-2013 08:23 AM

Worth more than Axl ever will be, and that's all you need to know.

-King- 09-06-2013 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9943912)
Alex Smith taint lockers think Flacco is average is pure comedy gold.
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Hes a franchise QB but he'll always be in the 10-16 range as far as QBs are concerned. He may end his career with only one or two 4000 yard seasons.
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-King- 09-06-2013 08:41 AM

I wonder if Alex Smith would have been a top 5 paid QB in NFL history if he won the Superbowl in 2011. Seriously.
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lawrenceRaider 09-06-2013 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9944064)
I wonder if Alex Smith would have been a top 5 paid QB in NFL history if he won the Superbowl in 2011. Seriously.
Posted via Mobile Device

You mean if he hadn't gone Alex Smith at the worst possible time?

DJ's left nut 09-06-2013 09:41 AM

I've said it several times - Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex Smith, he's just different.

Flacco is a bomber. He's going to challenge downfield a lot and miss a lot. He's equally inaccurate at pretty much all levels. There's nothing accurate or consistent about Joe Flacco as a passer - the guy just flat misses passes at a pretty alarming rate, as we saw last night.

But the Ravens have made him the perfect example of how an erratic passer should be used. If you can't be counted on to throw a 10 yard slant accurately (where it could easily be picked), might as well chuck it downfield where you can pick up a PI or a high reward play. Worst case scenario is a pick that operates as a punt. That's exactly how you utilize QBs like Flacco and Manning it's how you should utilize guys that are even worse than that (Sanchez is my favorite example).

Smith is the opposite - he's exceptionally accurate and consistent on the short passes so that's how best to utilize him.

If you were to grade their overall effectiveness, they're both B- quarterbacks. Flacco just does it in an entirely different way than Smith does.

Alex Smiff 09-06-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9944193)
I've said it several times - Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex Smith, he's just different.

Flacco is a bomber. He's going to challenge downfield a lot and miss a lot. He's equally inaccurate at pretty much all levels. There's nothing accurate or consistent about Joe Flacco as a passer - the guy just flat misses passes at a pretty alarming rate, as we saw last night.

But the Ravens have made him the perfect example of how an erratic passer should be used. If you can't be counted on to throw a 10 yard slant accurately (where it could easily be picked), might as well chuck it downfield where you can pick up a PI or a high reward play. Worst case scenario is a pick that operates as a punt. That's exactly how you utilize QBs like Flacco and Manning it's how you should utilize guys that are even worse than that (Sanchez is my favorite example).

Smith is the opposite - he's exceptionally accurate and consistent on the short passes so that's how best to utilize him.

If you were to grade their overall effectiveness, they're both B- quarterbacks. Flacco just does it in an entirely different way than Smith does.

Although I don't think Flacco is that great, he's still better than LIMITED Alex Smith.

DJ's left nut 09-06-2013 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9944211)
Although I don't think Flacco is that great, he's still better than LIMITED Alex Smith.

Joe Flacco is also limited.

Smith's limitations are downfield passing. Flaccos are ball control, accuracy and mobility.

Jakemall 09-06-2013 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9944193)
I've said it several times - Joe Flacco isn't better than Alex Smith, he's just different.

Flacco is a bomber. He's going to challenge downfield a lot and miss a lot. He's equally inaccurate at pretty much all levels. There's nothing accurate or consistent about Joe Flacco as a passer - the guy just flat misses passes at a pretty alarming rate, as we saw last night.

But the Ravens have made him the perfect example of how an erratic passer should be used. If you can't be counted on to throw a 10 yard slant accurately (where it could easily be picked), might as well chuck it downfield where you can pick up a PI or a high reward play. Worst case scenario is a pick that operates as a punt. That's exactly how you utilize QBs like Flacco and Manning it's how you should utilize guys that are even worse than that (Sanchez is my favorite example).

Smith is the opposite - he's exceptionally accurate and consistent on the short passes so that's how best to utilize him.

If you were to grade their overall effectiveness, they're both B- quarterbacks. Flacco just does it in an entirely different way than Smith does.

Flacco is more exciting than Alex because he will throw it deep. With that said, your comments are on the money. It didn't hurt that last season he had Boldin who would catch the ball as long as it was near him. He's going to look very bad this season, imo.

If you don't have super star WRs like Boldin, you're probably better off with Alex.

O.city 09-06-2013 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9944223)
Joe Flacco is also limited.

Smith's limitations are downfield passing. Flaccos are ball control, accuracy and mobility.

In terms of qbs here on cp, it's elite or bust.

Mr. Laz 09-06-2013 10:07 AM

This is the first time Flacco will be asked to carry a team and i'm not sure he can. Maybe it was just a shock factor and he will adjust but i don't know.

Flacco looked a bit Cutler-esque last night to me.

Mav 09-06-2013 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9944064)
I wonder if Alex Smith would have been a top 5 paid QB in NFL history if he won the Superbowl in 2011. Seriously.
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No. The 49ers don't play that game. Even Kaep wont approach the money people are assuming he will. The 49ers believe in the team system and Jim Harbaugh believes that he can get the most out of any qb, so Kaep will have a price, and they wont exceed that.

Mav 09-06-2013 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9944257)
This is the first time Flacco will be asked to carry a time and i'm not sure he can. Maybe it was just a shock factor and he will adjust but i don't know.

Flacco looked a bit Cutler-esque last night to me.

That's a great comparison.

Right on the money type comparison.

Well said.

Mav 09-06-2013 10:11 AM

Oh, and to the OP.

ABSOLUTELY/ Signed Browns, and Bengals fans......

Rausch 09-06-2013 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9944059)
Hes a franchise QB but he'll always be in the 10-16 range as far as QBs are concerned. He may end his career with only one or two 4000 yard seasons.
Posted via Mobile Device

He already has as many playoff and SB wins as Payed-a-Ton.

philfree 09-06-2013 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9944247)
In terms of qbs here on cp, it's elite or bust.

True.

The Ravens window closed when they lost Reed and Lewis. Amazing how a team kept their window open with a great defense without a true franchise QB. Now that they supposedly have their franchise QB it seems their window isn't so open. Seems to go against Chiefs Planet logic.


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