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I have watched the majority of every teams games the last few years. It is more fun then watching those cassel filled games. So I wouldn't be surprised if others have either.

Without reading the thread, I'm going to assume the general theme is something along the lines of "OMG BOWE IS SUCH AN IDIOT. DOESN'T HE KNOW ALEX SMITH SUCKS WORSE THAN CASSEL? WHAT A DOUCHE!"

Any and all stats are useless in and of themselves.

His YPA was better than Aaron Rodgers.

Would you argue that makes him better than Rodgers?

How in the **** do you have time to watch a "majority" of 32 NFL team's games :eek: I have ticket and no way can I get a feel about every team's players in the league without relying on outside sources (see stats)

I watched several Alex Smith games last year. He's more than slightly better than Cassel. To say you can't win unless you have the best D in football history is dumb. They could've won it with him in 2011. The 49er while really good, wasn't incredible, in fact they'd disappear for games, including the playoffs. Yet Smith nearly was a SB starting QB, and played well enough to get them there.

We'll just have to see if the last few years was a fluke, and only JH could get that out of Smith. I think his play will continue, but, we'll see.

If Joe Flacco can win a SB then why can't Alex Smith? I'd be glad to have a team built like the Ravens or 9ers. Neither Flacco or Kaepernick are Brady/Manning/Rogers.

Flacco willed them to the Super Bowl through his rocket arm in the Denver game.

If Alex ever makes ONE of those throws that Flacco did in last-second mode in a playoff game, I'll get off his ass and admit that it IS possible for him to win a Super Bowl with this Chiefs team.

Neither are Brady/Manning, as you say, but both are better QBs than Smith.

Teams have to defend the entire field because of their ability to stretch defenses, and Kaepernick is far more versatile and dynamic.

You mean the play where the WR busted the coverage wide open and Flacco chucked up that Rainbow that was in the air forever and underthrown?

Does it have to be 70 yards? What if it's 15 yards? Will any last second throw to win a playoff game do?

I don't think Flacco is much better then Smith if at all. He has a stronger arm. Kaepernick hasn't even played a full seasons worth of games yet so I'm going to hold off before I anoint him at this point either. I'm no huge Alex Smith fan but I think narrative around here goes a little to far. :shrug:

No it has to be with no O line and the QB has to throw the length of the field and catch it too or he sucks!

Except that Flacco:

Throws deep all the ****ing time.

Can actually do it well.

Throws for 300 yards or more several times a year.

Alex Smith throws for 300 yards once every 27 games.

Amazing how even after winning a Super Bowl, Flacco is criminally underrated around here.

I actually voted Flacco as a franchise QB too.

don't forget, "**** you, your and idiot for not liking my take"

No kidding.


I was a doubter before the playoffs, but the man turned me around.


He played FANTASTIC in the playoffs.

Flacco is a Elite qb and a top 5 qb.

Every year hes been in the league he has taken his team to the playoffs.

Leave it to Chiefs fans to try and justify mediocrity.

It kind of does, yeah.

If your QB CAN make that throw, doesn't it make sense that when your team needs it, that's a HUGE advantage that can help you win?

Flacco has also thrown for more than 17 TDs in a season. More than once.

He's sturdier, more successful, stronger, more accurate...

**** why are we having this conversation? It's absurd. Flacco is way better than Alex.

Leave it to the only 2 jaguar fans in the world to live on a Chiefs' forum

So Flacco isn't any better than Smith.

You're no huge Alex Smith fan.

Flacco is a franchise QB.


You're all over the ****ing place.

:deevee::deevee::deevee:

How far can Alex Smith throw it? What do you think is his longest pass?

What do you think of the Jags this year?

Not really.

In the same vein as Alex Smith leading the 9ers to victory in the playoffs.

I don't know. But I wouldn't trust a guy who's had extensive shoulder surgery in his career and has never been known to chuck it 70 yards to throw it as far as Flacco has demonstrated.

Flacco is head and shoulders above Alex Smith. I can't believe that's even being argued.

They're going to win one more game than last year with Gabbert at the helm. BUT I think we've laid the ground work for a team full of youth and potential to be able to mesh together and be good again. But not for about 4 years, 3 at best case scenario.

I don't think Smith has the arm strength of Flacco. There are maybe six or seven players that do. I also don't think Smith will throw wounded ducks anything past 35 yards. He has an NFL arm.

IMO if they would have stuck with Alex Smith the 9ers still would have went to the SB. If Alex Smith has 1st and goal to win the SB like Kaepernick did he throws a TD and is SB MVP.

Now how's that for some crazy talk!

Alex and Reid>>> Cassel and Dabol/Muir/shittyOC. We are going to look back and laugh at the thought that we are even discussing the fact that Reid's offense with Alex was even comparable to the trash product that we've seen on the field these past few years.

Flacco is a turd with a really really strong arm. Thats my opinion. He is Jeff George on a better team.

Wait and see.

He wont win shit again ever and just cost his team a metric shit ton of $$$$$$$$$ because his receivers got hot for 4 games.

If Alex would've gotten his job back and had the chance to continue starting, he very well probably would've at least made the NFC championship again. Than there wouldn't have been anyone that would've had a problem with the compensation given up for him, or the fact that he is CLEARLY a big improvement over what was before him in KC.

I think a lot of stupid homers think there is one giant tier of QBs after Manning, Brady and Rodgers and can't differentiate.

Um, the Ravens had the 17th ranked defense.

Their running game was 11th.

The only reason they almost beat the Pats two years ago was Flacco, and the only reason they were in the SB was Flacco.

Are we going be laughing when we can't get past first round in the playoffs?


They sold you a bill of goods with the Alex Smith trade and true fans buy it.



Clown Smile (Death Warmed Over) and your gonna like it.

Yeah that 87. QB rating and 22 TDs propelled that team to the top.

Alex Smith has been about as mediocre in the red zone as any QB in the league.

That game was lost by playcalling on that last drive in the red zone.

It was shocking that they didn't try and run at least once with Kaepernick but that doesn't change my opinion.

Do you even watch playoff games?

Flacco's performances against Brady and Manning were nothing short of spectacular.

Over the last two years in the playoffs, Flacco has stepped up his game.

Anquan Boldin was huge in these last playoffs, but Flacco threw passes that Alex Smith would never attempt to give Boldin the opportunity to make plays.

And that is the difference between winning and losing.

You make it sound like Reid just wanted to fool Chiefs fans. Those suckers! Wait till my plan works to perfection! Alex Smith will suck, I'll get blamed! I'm a genius!

Flacco has played well in the postseason there is no doubt.

Yup they're just trying to pull the wool over eyes.

They're also 13-2 in the games in which he throws for 300 yards. They win because of his production in those games.

To say Joe Flacco only plays well in the postseason is stupid.

Meanwhile Alex Smith is doing well to hit 200 yards.

Shit man, Flacco outplayed Tom Brady twice last season, and the Ravens were 2-0 against the Pats.

Show me Alex Smith doing something like that.

Smith has an adequate NFL arm. It's not a "plus" arm.

Guys who don't have "plus" arms make up for it all the time with a variety of other qualities. Getting the ball out of their hands quickly. Timing and throwing receivers open. Pinpoint accuracy. Athletic scrambling ability.

Do you think Alex Smith is "plus" in any of THOSE categories? Because he sure as hell needs to be.

What's a "plus" arm? Yes I think Smith is "plus" in timing, scrambling, accuracy. I don't now the chart you're using to gage this.

Scrambling, sure. He's the most athletic guy we've had on the field in 4 seasons, that's for sure.

Timing? No. He's not a plus.

Accuracy? **** no.

He's adequate in both categories. You don't think of the top 10 QBs in accuracy and timing and think of Alex Smith on either of those lists.

If you do then... well, you're special.

Is that what " plus" means, top 10? What stats are you using, or are you going by gut? What is his accuracy? How do you know it's just adequate?

Your plus factor is the coefficient of the velocity of the ball divided by the vector strength where f(x) is the derivative of his penis size. Use FOIL then solve for y.

I'm not a huge fan of the trade, in fact I hate it, buuuut Alex Smith is a metric shit ton better than Cassel.

It's really not that difficult to be better than historically awful.

No, but I'm pretty sure Gochiefs has some video of him balls deep in another man.

That's my point.

Thanks for my answer.

You can be a "metric shit ton" better than historically awful and still be only average or worse. Hence, "historically bad".

Better than bad does not equal good.

It is that simple.

Oh I totally agree dude. I'm on your side.

I didn't say that. Alex Smith has developed into a better QB then he gets credit for around here. His career is not matt Cassel's end of story.

:)

Joe Flacco in the playoffs this year (4 games): 72-126 (57.9%) for 1140 yards, 11 TD 0 INT. QBR 83.6, QB rating 117.2. YPA 9.05.

Alex Smith in the 2011 playoffs (2 games). 36-68 (52.9%) for 495 yards, 5 TD 0 int. QBR 59.1. QB rating 101.0. YPA, 7.28.

Flacco's performance this January was one for the ages. Smith dinked-and-dunked his way to "almost make the super bowl" on the back of a dominant running game. Which is the only way he's ever been able to generate any sort of success in the NFL, game-managing not to lose while the running game and defense carries the load.

I love that we want to "go deep". Most of us who talk seriously about this stuff expected Andy Reid to do that because that's what he's always done. Of course the problem is we don't have a qb on the roster who's ever shown he could actually do that.

In 2013, are there 16 QBs you'd take Alex Smith over?

I think we should just let this year play out I believe Smith is better then AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb and they both performed well in Andy Reid's offense. I still believe Smith is a stop gap but I also think he will play pretty well this year. We will be competitive week in and week out. Our team is better right now then we where last year.

Brady
Rogers
Brees
Ryan
Flacco
Luck
RG3
Wilson
Kaep
Rapist
Manning
Manning
Dalton
Tannehill
Bradford
Newton
Romo
Cutler
Stafford

I didn't make the list in any order but as far as QBs I'd prefer to have on the roster, this is about it.

This has become redundantly stupid. I wanted Tom Brady but he wouldn't hold out to be traded so :shrug:

Green in Washington actually was a dink and dunk QB, but that was more about team and coaching I think. There wasn't much time to see him in St Louis, but he did show signs he was more. And I still contend that he would have been better than Kurt Warner on the Rams had he not had his knee destroyed. He didn't have the strongest arm in the world, but he knew that offense inside and out, and his passes went exactly where he wanted them to. Or at least they did once he had receivers who knew their ass from a hole in the ground.

So you're willing to settle for the 20th best Qb in the league. Ok.

did you uh factor in who flacco had on offense compared to what alex smith faced in 2011?

Boldin Torrey Smith, Pitta, Dickson, Jacoby Jones,

Vernon Davis, Michael crabtree, and??????

Delanie Walker.

I'd put Alex over Dalton and Tannehill. That's about it... Statistically, with Reid's offense, he will probably end up being around the 10-14th best QB in 2013 imo

he was out for the saints game, and returned off a broken jaw for the nfccg

Agreed

Is Bowes anything like the Clarks?

Maybe you should lay out the choices for me.

This isn't hard, dude.

It has been discussed ad nauseam.

You either grab some other team's retread slapdick QB...which works about 3 percent of the time...

OR

You roll the dice on a QB in the 1st round.

Which wins Super Bowls more consistently than any other strategy in NFL history.

What's it gonna be? More slapdicks? Why?