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penguinz 05-03-2010 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6732701)
So when you're benching 225 20 times, you're saying that arm length has "nothing" to do with it?

You're both laying flat on the same bench, guy A is 5'7 and lifts the bar 29in up into the air and back down. Guy B is 6'4 and has 46in up into the air.

Why do you think it's easier for smaller guys to put on muscle mass than people who are tall and lanky?

It isn't. It just appears that they put on more mass at a faster rate because it is compressed into a smaller area.

BWillie 05-03-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6732477)
It has nothing to do with how much you can bench, your arm length does have something to do with the amount of reps you can do.

Basically a high rep number is really not a true indicator of strength, anyone who lifts for power doesn't do high reps, they do low reps of high weight. 225 is basically something you need to train yourself for stamina wise more than power wise, it's why you see some big guys have low numbers with it.

If a guy doesn't extensively train for it, he won't get that many reps in because he's not training that way even though he may be significantly stronger than a guy who does numerous more reps.

I agree w/ you for the most part. But guys who bench alot, usually can bench w/ alot of reps up to a degree. I'm sure there are some cases where a guy benched 25 reps, and was actually stronger than a guy that benched 20 reps. Once you start getting above 20 reps on something, it gets much more difficult to predict what your one rep max is. They should really increase the weight to something that they know everybody can lift. Like 275 or something. You can still take something away from it though.

Mecca 05-03-2010 01:03 PM

If they want true indicators the bench number and reps should be indicated by your position, not having everyone do the same.

Because for example a lineman would not lift the same as a DB or WR would.

TheGuardian 05-03-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 6732053)
Contrary to popular belief, being short or tall has little to do w/ how much one can bench press. If you look at powerlifting competitions and some of the data compiled, you will find there is not a strong correlation to height at all.

And where would you find this data? People don't get measured for height at powerlifting competitions you dope. It's rare for a long armed guy to bench press a lot. Usually guys with t-rex arms are your biggest bench pressers.

chiefzilla1501 05-03-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6732230)
There are only so many offensive playmakers in the NFL that can score every single time they touch the ball.

Linebackers are everywhere and odds are that you're not going to find anyone special at #36 or #50.

I agree. ILB? I can understand wanting a pass rusher who might be special. But ILB? You put a real good Nose Tackle and get better production out of your DEs, and ILB can be the easiest job on earth. We don't have that Nose Tackle yet, but that's also not a position that I think is impossible to find. We just don't have one today.

Reerun_KC 05-03-2010 03:40 PM

Dude is going to be explosive everytime he touches the ball.. I am stoked to see him on the field this fall

keg in kc 05-03-2010 03:43 PM

I usually use a rolled-up tube sock to make up for my lack of size.

Aw shit, I said that out loud didn't I.

Damn it.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-03-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6732230)
There are only so many offensive playmakers in the NFL that can score every single time they touch the ball.

Linebackers are everywhere and odds are that you're not going to find anyone special at #36 or #50.

True dat.

chiefzilla1501 05-03-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6732667)
It does when you have 29" arms.

Just to put it in perspective. The guy we should be comparing this guy to isn't Benn or Dez Bryant, who are totally different receivers. Compare him to a guy like Jordan Shiipley or Golden Tate.

McCluster's arms are 29 1/4". He put up 20 on the bench.
Golden Tate's arms are 30 1/2". He put up 17 on the bench
Jordan Shipley's arms are 30 1/2". He put up 16 on the bench.

A few years ago, Darren Sproles' arms were 28" and he put up 23 on the bench.

1" isn't going to give you that much of an advantage. Moral of the story? He puts up a competitive bench with Tate/Shipley (and probably better), who are both slot receivers. And he puts up a competitive bench (but probably lower) with Darren Sproles.

He's a very strong guy for his size. Ridiculous for anyone to suggest otherwise.

LaChapelle 05-03-2010 04:28 PM

This regime has no clue how to handle a secret weapon
No one knew shit about Kris Wilson for 2 years

BossChief 05-03-2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 6733482)
This regime has no clue how to handle a secret weapon
No one knew shit about Kris Wilson for 2 years

:facepalm:

lostcause 05-03-2010 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 6733482)
This regime has no clue how to handle a secret weapon
No one knew shit about Kris Wilson for 2 years

he was super super top secret.

BWillie 05-03-2010 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6733144)
And where would you find this data? People don't get measured for height at powerlifting competitions you dope. It's rare for a long armed guy to bench press a lot. Usually guys with t-rex arms are your biggest bench pressers.

The World Powerlifting Organization world record holder in the bench press, Ryan Kennelly, is like 6-3.

What I am saying is tall people always try to give the excuse, oh I can't squat, or deadlift, or bench press very much because I'm tall. While there is some truth to the argument being shorter CAN have benefit, it is greatly overstated.

Actually, I'm sure people who have larger bone structures have the propensity to become stronger than ectomorphs and those w/ smaller bone structure. There are people w/ large bone structure who are tall, short and in between. The same can be said about people w/ small bone structure.

Nightfyre 05-03-2010 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 6733611)
The World Powerlifting Organization world record holder in the bench press, Ryan Kennelly, is like 6-3.

What I am saying is tall people always try to give the excuse, oh I can't squat, or deadlift, or bench press very much because I'm tall. While there is some truth to the argument being shorter CAN have benefit, it is greatly overstated.

Actually, I'm sure people who have larger bone structures have the propensity to become stronger than ectomorphs and those w/ smaller bone structure. There are people w/ large bone structure who are tall, short and in between. The same can be said about people w/ small bone structure.

Kennelly has short arms relative to his height. Arm length has a lot to do with it.

TheGuardian 05-03-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 6733611)
The World Powerlifting Organization world record holder in the bench press, Ryan Kennelly, is like 6-3.

First off, no he's not. He's actually like 6'1" or MAYBE 6'2". Second he has t-rex length arms for a guy his height and he's super thick through his torso. Very few long armed guys are good bench pressers. Brad Gillingham is one of the few exceptions I can think of. Generally bench specialists are bench specialists for a reason. They are leveraged to be good benchers, and to be a super bencher generally it means you have shitty leverages for say, deadlifting, which tends to like really long armed people.

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What I am saying is tall people always try to give the excuse, oh I can't squat, or deadlift, or bench press very much because I'm tall. While there is some truth to the argument being shorter CAN have benefit, it is greatly overstated.

It has nothing to do with being tall or short. It's about lever length and nervous system activation. You don't know what you're talking about. You didn't even believe McCluster benched 225x20, which really isn't anything special even for 170.


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