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BigMeatballDave 01-18-2013 05:20 PM

NFL looking to adjust Rooney Rule
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/88...sure-diversity

There has been plenty of turnover in coach and general manager positions in the NFL this offseason, but the league acknowledged Friday that teams can do better when it comes to hiring minorities.

NFL vice president of human resources Robert Gulliver said the league is looking at making adjustments to the Rooney Rule, which requires teams to interview a minority before making a hire.

Of the eight new head coaches and seven general manager jobs that have been filled since the end of last offseason, none have gone to a minority. The Jets have yet to officially hire a new GM, though sources tell ESPN that it will be Seahawks executive John Idzik, who is also not a minority.

Mike Tomlin of the Steelers, Marvin Lewis of the Bengals and Leslie Frazier of the Vikings are the only black coaches among the 32 teams.

"While there has been full compliance with the interview requirements of the Rooney Rule and we wish the new head coaches and general managers much success, the hiring results this year have been unexpected and reflect a disappointing lack of diversity," Gulliver said. "The Rooney Rule has been a valuable tool in expanding diversity and inclusion in hiring practices, but there is more work to do, especially around increasing and strengthening the pipeline of diverse candidates for head coach and senior football executive positions.

"We have already started the process of developing a plan for additional steps that will better ensure more diversity and inclusion on a regular basis in our hiring results. We look forward to discussing these steps with our advisers to ensure that our employment, development and equal opportunity programs are both robust and successful."

Rugby Thompson 01-18-2013 05:24 PM

can someone explain the rooney rule, i really dont get what it is...

BigMeatballDave 01-18-2013 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson (Post 9331455)
can someone explain the rooney rule, i really dont get what it is...

Teams looking to hire a new HC must interview at least one minority.

Mr. Laz 01-18-2013 05:27 PM

So just break out the 'each team has to alternate between black and white head coaches' rule and be done with it.

not going to stop bitching until something like that happens anyway

candyman 01-18-2013 05:29 PM

This is dumb. Could it possibly be because teams are looking for the coach they feel has the best chance of turning their team around regardless of his skin color? The Rooney Rule is ridiculous, almost as stupid as affirmative action. And I am black.

Molitoth 01-18-2013 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyman (Post 9331466)
This is dumb. Could it possibly be because teams are looking for the coach they feel has the best chance of turning their team around regardless of his skin color? The Rooney Rule is ridiculous, almost as stupid as affirmative action. And I am black.

:clap:

ChiefBoyRDEE 01-18-2013 05:36 PM

silly

Fat Elvis 01-18-2013 05:36 PM

Where are the Asian head coaches?

Deberg_1990 01-18-2013 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyman (Post 9331466)
This is dumb. Could it possibly be because teams are looking for the coach they feel has the best chance of turning their team around regardless of his skin color? The Rooney Rule is ridiculous, almost as stupid as affirmative action. And I am black.

Yea, there seems to be a lack of good black candidates out there right now. It all runs in cycles.

I don't see a lot of Hispanic, Asian or Pacific Islander candidates out there either.

candyman 01-18-2013 05:41 PM

So what the hell are they going to do? Require every team to hire a minority head coach at least once every other time? Require x number of minorities on every coaching staff? Both stupid. I dont see how this "rule" can be adjusted.

2bikemike 01-18-2013 05:46 PM

Wanna end racism or seriously lessen it. Quit talking about color!

In58men 01-18-2013 05:49 PM

This is ****ing stupid.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-18-2013 05:53 PM

I would stay away from @MikeSilver twitter page. Thinks Hue Jackson is blackballed cause he's black.

R8RFAN 01-18-2013 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 9331496)
Wanna end racism or seriously lessen it. Quit talking about color!

Yup, all this is is Affirmative Action for the NFL...

houstonwhodat 01-18-2013 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Thompson (Post 9331455)
can someone explain the rooney rule, i really dont get what it is...

It's a joke is what it is.

It's the reason you end up with people like Romeo as a HC.

I think you should get the job NO MATTER what the color of your skin is, not BECAUSE of it.

houstonwhodat 01-18-2013 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyman (Post 9331466)
This is dumb. Could it possibly be because teams are looking for the coach they feel has the best chance of turning their team around regardless of his skin color? The Rooney Rule is ridiculous, almost as stupid as affirmative action. And I am black.


This.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-18-2013 06:37 PM

This is getting sooooo ****ing stupid. Going to be awesome when a team is strongarmed into hiring Herm Edwards.

houstonwhodat 01-18-2013 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9331527)
Yup, all this is is Affirmative Action for the NFL...



We have a black President now for Christs sake.

All this Rooney Rule and Affirmative Action should now officially be killed.

Spott 01-18-2013 06:39 PM

You can't make a team hire a HC they don't want to hire no matter how many minority candidates you require them to interview.

bevischief 01-18-2013 06:41 PM

Where are the women coaches?

houstonwhodat 01-18-2013 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 9331607)
Where are the women coaches?


Don't even start that's probably a reality one day.

Like the female replacement ref this year.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-18-2013 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 9331607)
Where are the women coaches?

What about the midget ones?

houstonwhodat 01-18-2013 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9331612)
What about the midget ones?



hahahaha

Can you imagine it?

They would drown during a Gatorade bath.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-18-2013 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9331617)
hahahaha

Can you imagine it?

They would drown during a Gatorade bath.

That's not funny. I'm a midget.

1ChiefsDan 01-18-2013 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9331628)
That's not funny. I'm a midget.

Well, would you drown in a Gatorade bath?

FlaChief58 01-18-2013 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyman (Post 9331466)
This is dumb. Could it possibly be because teams are looking for the coach they feel has the best chance of turning their team around regardless of his skin color? The Rooney Rule is ridiculous, almost as stupid as affirmative action. And I am black.

All of this, except I'm not black





Wait....does that mean I'm racist? :hmmm:

ChiefGator 01-18-2013 07:23 PM

"The Rooney Rule has been a valuable tool in expanding diversity and inclusion in hiring practices..."

For real-sy?

Red Dawg 01-18-2013 07:33 PM

So effing what? If i was an owner I would hire whoever I wanted. No black HC coaches got hired? So what.

ChiefGator 01-18-2013 07:36 PM

No Asians got hired either.. just sayin..

bowener 01-18-2013 07:44 PM

Nobody here finds the ratio of white coaches to non-white coaches odd? Think of how many players in the NFL are non-white. Doesn't it stand to reason that, if all things being fair and equal, there should be at the very least a slightly higher percentage of non-white coaches?

If they are going to change anything, they need to find a way to get more minorities hired on at the start of their careers, and then make sure they have the same opportunities as their white peers to progress up the coaching ladder. I'm curious what the racial makeup is for scouting/positional coaches. If there is a relatively higher percentage there than at the top, then that is a good place to look for a way to fix things long term. JMHO

Mr. Laz 01-18-2013 07:46 PM

I believe ever team should have to interview a jewish,asian,female midget with a least a slight handicap as HC before hiring anyone else.

Tribal Warfare 01-18-2013 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 9331697)
No Asians got hired either.. just sayin..

or any Samoan candidates either

houstonwhodat 01-18-2013 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9331713)
I believe ever team should have to interview a jewish,asian,female midget with a least a slight handicap as HC before hiring anyone else.


With a speech impediment like Lou Holtz.

jd1020 01-18-2013 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 9331708)
Nobody here finds the ratio of white coaches to non-white coaches odd? Think of how many players in the NFL are non-white. Doesn't it stand to reason that, if all things being fair and equal, there should be at the very least a slightly higher percentage of non-white coaches?

If they are going to change anything, they need to find a way to get more minorities hired on at the start of their careers, and then make sure they have the same opportunities as their white peers to progress up the coaching ladder. I'm curious what the racial makeup is for scouting/positional coaches. If there is a relatively higher percentage there than at the top, then that is a good place to look for a way to fix things long term. JMHO

Nope. I don't find it odd.

You here to tell us that all 32 teams are run by racists?

lcarus 01-18-2013 08:11 PM

Hopefully "adjust" = "eliminate"

jd1020 01-18-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 9331748)
Hopefully "adjust" = "eliminate"

Sounds more like "adjust" = "enhance"

notorious 01-18-2013 08:14 PM

If an owner could win the Superbowl with an asian transvestite midget coach, he would hire one.

Color doesn't matter when it comes to winning.

chop 01-18-2013 08:30 PM

It is a little unfair to just look at this year and say that there is some sort of issue with the amount of minority coaches in the nfl. The current number does not reflect the unfair hiring practices of the NFL teams but lack of production of 4-5 black head coaches the past couple of years. I think there were about 25% of minority head coaches in the NFL last year but several black coaches were fired for valid reasons. I think this year is just a bump in the road for minority coaching. I see more and more black coaches coming through the ranks and it is only a matter of time before some of them are deemed ready to be the head coach. I don't think this has anything minority coaches being overlooked.

PornChief 01-18-2013 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9331713)
I believe ever team should have to interview a jewish,asian,female midget with a least a slight handicap as HC before hiring anyone else.

why do you hate the gays

mikey23545 01-18-2013 08:37 PM

Everyone is just ignoring the white elephant in the room....



Where are all the Clown coaches in the NFL?


http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7458/rexryanclown.jpg

whoman69 01-18-2013 08:38 PM

The Chiefs interviewed a ST coach who had no shot. I don't think anyone really considered hiring Lovie Smith though he interviewed with several teams. There weren't a lot of candidates out there besides Ray Horton. There certainly won't be any who get experience in college football. Its even worse there. Its going to continue until more black coaches can build a resume. How many coordinators are black?

stonedstooge 01-18-2013 08:39 PM

Time to dust off Jesse and Al again and get them involved in the fray. Money to be made

Discuss Thrower 01-18-2013 08:40 PM

Blame colleges for not having minority candidates for coaching.

Mr. Flopnuts 01-18-2013 08:41 PM

A bunch of white dudes talking about no black coaches in the NFL. Whoops. I'm in trouble. I pointed out the white dudes!!!

FlaChief58 01-18-2013 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9331785)
A bunch of white dudes talking about no black coaches in the NFL. Whoops. I'm in trouble. I pointed out the white dudes!!!

You racist bro?

Chiefaholic 01-18-2013 08:52 PM

Sorry Romeo screwed up the percentage of black head coaches, Mr. Gulliver. But he was let go because he had no idea why we couldn't win a damn game or how to resolve the problem. I don't give a flying **** if our head coach is an Asian cross dressing transvestite with pink hair and wearing stilettos. I just want a return for my investment to the team with a coach who knows how to motivate and properly coach a team. Enough of this Affirmitive Action BS.... Best man gets the job regardless of skin color or sexual preference. Owners aren't going to hire a guy just because he's the best canidate OF HIS RACE. And as a fan I want the best option on the field to make my Sundays less miserable.

Now, make the Chief fans happy and draft a black quarterback #1 overall, and we'll all be happy.

Groves 01-18-2013 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 9331708)
Nobody here finds the ratio of white coaches to non-white coaches odd? Think of how many players in the NFL are non-white. JMHO


For a minute there, I thought you were going to require a certain amount of white guys on a team, like with a rule or something.




But equally dim-minded is the thought that "talking about color" is what causes men's hearts to tend towards racism.

Cmd'r&Chief 01-18-2013 09:01 PM

Where are all of the lesbian coaches?

Jawshco 01-18-2013 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9331628)
That's not funny. I'm a midget.

Are you being serious? If so, I was under the impression that the term 'midget' was offensive to little people.

Bigotry over height or any unchosen physical characteristic seems pretty absurd to me.

soopamanluva 01-18-2013 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9331593)
It's a joke is what it is.

It's the reason you end up with people like Romeo as a HC.

I think you should get the job NO MATTER what the color of your skin is, not BECAUSE of it.

Nice idea, problem is it doesn't happen.

HolyHat 01-18-2013 09:30 PM

Maybe if we fire all the white coaches and hire all black coaches someone will be happy.

Hoover 01-18-2013 09:32 PM

The Rooney Rule is stupid.

Any team would do what every they could to sign Mike Tomlin if he was available. You know what I mean.

Do we really think the NFL is keeping the black coach down?

There are only 32 head coaching jobs.
There are only 32 GM jobs.

It's not going to be representative of anything because its too small of a club.

The NFL should instead celebrate that one of its best coaches is black (Tomlin).

The NFL should celebrate that on of its best general managers is black (Newsome).

And tell Tony Dungy to quit bitching and start coaching if he wants more blacks roaming the sidesline. You too Herm. That dude could be a damn good coordinator but he would rather be a celebrity.

I'm so sick of this $hit.

houstonwhodat 01-18-2013 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9331864)
Maybe if we fire all the white coaches and hire all black coaches someone will be happy.

Who would win the Super Bowl then?

HolyHat 01-18-2013 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9331871)
Who would win the Super Bowl then?

A white owner?

Hoover 01-18-2013 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9331883)
A white owner?

Can't have that. Its like a slave owner.

houstonwhodat 01-18-2013 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9331883)
A white owner?


You see whitey will always be involved in this equation then won't he.

I say fire all the damn white owners too and let people like Vince Young and MC Hammer run the business.

HolyHat 01-18-2013 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9331892)
You see whitey will always be involved in this equation then won't he.

I say fire all the damn white owners too and let people like Vince Young and MC Hammer run the business.

Now we are getting somewhere

Predarat 01-18-2013 09:59 PM

Someone should hire Clay Travis as their head coach, he is a gay Muslim, that takes care of two birds with one stone.

HolyHat 01-18-2013 10:00 PM

Somebody on 810 today had the nerve to bitch about Romeo not getting an interview...are you ****ing kidding me? That man is the worst head football coach I have ever seen. Ever.

Jawshco 01-18-2013 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 9331708)
Nobody here finds the ratio of white coaches to non-white coaches odd? Think of how many players in the NFL are non-white. Doesn't it stand to reason that, if all things being fair and equal, there should be at the very least a slightly higher percentage of non-white coaches?

If they are going to change anything, they need to find a way to get more minorities hired on at the start of their careers, and then make sure they have the same opportunities as their white peers to progress up the coaching ladder. I'm curious what the racial makeup is for scouting/positional coaches. If there is a relatively higher percentage there than at the top, then that is a good place to look for a way to fix things long term. JMHO

Actually, I do think it's odd. I was wondering why Lovie Smith hasn't received more opportunities. He was a 10 win coach last year. But forced diversity isn't the answer. Trying solve social issues with more rules isn't what I believe will solve this issue. We need to study why there aren't more qualified minority candidates. Is it because of colleges? Or might there be another reason?

We know that talented players don't often make the best coaches. So if it's a different skill set, then maybe there doesn't have to be a strong correlation between the racial ratios of players and coaches. No one really gets mad that 67% NFL players are African American. That just seems normal even if the US population is only 13% African African American. There obviously some reason we have a far larger ratio of African-American NFL athletes, but I'd guess it's based more on interest and talent than racism. Is it possible that the ratio of coaches more closely resembles the national ratio because of a different playing field in terms of talent and interest? Right now about 9% of the coaches are African American, but last year it was about 15% (2% higher than the national ratio). It seems to me that maybe there should be more study put into that before forcing a more divisive rule than the one we already have. Just a thought.

houstonwhodat 01-18-2013 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9331945)
Somebody on 810 today had the nerve to bitch about Romeo not getting an interview...are you ****ing kidding me? That man is the worst head football coach I have ever seen. Ever.


So why doesn't Oprah buy a football team?

Would be better than that stupid network for her ego she bought.

HolyHat 01-18-2013 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9331950)
So why doesn't Oprah buy a football team?

Would be better than that stupid network for her ego she bought.

Speaking of Oprah...would you try that?

houstonwhodat 01-18-2013 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9331952)
Speaking of Oprah...would you try that?



Only if she paid me, she can afford it.

She's gay anyway. I think Gail is her girlfriend.

I doubt Stedman ever tapped it.

A Salt Weapon 01-18-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyman (Post 9331466)
This is dumb. Could it possibly be because teams are looking for the coach they feel has the best chance of turning their team around regardless of his skin color? The Rooney Rule is ridiculous, almost as stupid as affirmative action. And I am black.

:applause: well said.
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Gravedigger 01-18-2013 11:09 PM

But by minority candidate they mean Black. You don't ever hear ESPN bitching because a man who is Chinese wasn't interviewed. I think forcing teams to act based on race is apart of the problem, not the solution. It couldn't be that Lovie Smith, or Ray Horton, weren't hired because they're defensive coaches and all the teams were looking for offensive minded coaches.... no, couldn't be that.

A Salt Weapon 01-18-2013 11:10 PM

I think the nfl, the coaches, the owners, and the players union are sexist. After all this is the new America and there should be at least 2 women starting on every team. This cannot be ignored any longer.
I feel age discrimination is at play here too; each team shall have two children between the ages of 14-17 on the team for every play as well.
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Deberg_1990 01-18-2013 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 9331607)
Where are the women coaches?

If shes the best candidate for the job, i have zero problems with it.

Chiefshrink 01-18-2013 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 9331496)
Wanna end racism or seriously lessen it. Quit talking about color!

Pipe dream. Never happen. The Dems,minorities, etc... make a living off of seeing color only and it's just damn shame because they( Dem politicians) keep the majority of minorities on the Democrat plantation. And any minority that begins to see through all this Democrat oppression , use and abuse of minorities and decides to escape that progressive plantation is vilified !!

I get your point and totally agree, but no way in hell they give up that kind of leverage especially when you have the majority of the press in your pocket who will be your pit bulls on call at any moment.

Political Correctness in the NFL ! Don't ya love it !!!!:rolleyes:

Psyko Tek 01-18-2013 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9331464)
So just break out the 'each team has to alternate between black and white head coaches' rule and be done with it.

not going to stop bitching until something like that happens anyway

nope
here is the answer
the will all hire a minority assistant head coach
and keep him on staff to be a place holder
talent and intelligence has no racial or sexual bias

jebus why don't they interview women too?

HolyHat 01-19-2013 12:24 AM

Where are the transgender coaches?

chiefzilla1501 01-19-2013 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9331868)
The Rooney Rule is stupid.

Any team would do what every they could to sign Mike Tomlin if he was available. You know what I mean.

Do we really think the NFL is keeping the black coach down?

There are only 32 head coaching jobs.
There are only 32 GM jobs.

It's not going to be representative of anything because its too small of a club.

The NFL should instead celebrate that one of its best coaches is black (Tomlin).

The NFL should celebrate that on of its best general managers is black (Newsome).

And tell Tony Dungy to quit bitching and start coaching if he wants more blacks roaming the sidesline. You too Herm. That dude could be a damn good coordinator but he would rather be a celebrity.

I'm so sick of this $hit.

Sick of what shit? The Rooney rule is a great rule that outlived its purpose.

WhiteWhale 01-19-2013 12:31 AM

I've never understood the "black people NEED easy street" logic.

Look, When blacks needed to break into athletics, it was hard. When they broke through it was the best of the best shoving racism down everyone's throat. I don't care if you point to Jackie Robinson or Warren Moon destroying the 'black guys can't play QB from the pocket" myth.

When you create a system that fast tracks unqualified people because of race, it can justify racism. The best way to end racism is by allowing black people to prove it's bullshit.

Hays 01-19-2013 01:07 AM

Hey I am not a coach where is my turn

Sorter 01-19-2013 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @KCsporting (Post 9332205)
Where are the transgender coaches?

ROFL

DaFace 01-19-2013 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyman (Post 9331466)
This is dumb. Could it possibly be because teams are looking for the coach they feel has the best chance of turning their team around regardless of his skin color? The Rooney Rule is ridiculous, almost as stupid as affirmative action. And I am black.

Agree.

ForeverChiefs58 01-19-2013 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 9331708)
Nobody here finds the ratio of white coaches to non-white coaches odd? Think of how many players in the NFL are non-white. Doesn't it stand to reason that, if all things being fair and equal, there should be at the very least a slightly higher percentage of non-white coaches?

If they are going to change anything, they need to find a way to get more minorities hired on at the start of their careers, and then make sure they have the same opportunities as their white peers to progress up the coaching ladder. I'm curious what the racial makeup is for scouting/positional coaches. If there is a relatively higher percentage there than at the top, then that is a good place to look for a way to fix things long term. JMHO


Can you even imagine someone complaining that there aren't enough white players? Think of the coaches that are white, but why do all the good players gotta be black?

Or not enough white RB's?


It is just as stupid.

Goldmember 01-19-2013 07:58 AM

Where are the minority commissioners?

big nasty kcnut 01-19-2013 08:04 AM

I just want a hot naked woman as coach is that so wrong.

chiefzilla1501 01-19-2013 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 9331868)
The Rooney Rule is stupid.

Any team would do what every they could to sign Mike Tomlin if he was available. You know what I mean.

Do we really think the NFL is keeping the black coach down?

There are only 32 head coaching jobs.
There are only 32 GM jobs.

It's not going to be representative of anything because its too small of a club.

The NFL should instead celebrate that one of its best coaches is black (Tomlin).

The NFL should celebrate that on of its best general managers is black (Newsome).

And tell Tony Dungy to quit bitching and start coaching if he wants more blacks roaming the sidesline. You too Herm. That dude could be a damn good coordinator but he would rather be a celebrity.

I'm so sick of this $hit.

Let me clarify. The Rooney rule was put in place because black assistant coaches were blacklisted for years. They weren't getting assistant coming jobs they deserved because of ctheir skin color. And t weren't getting job interviews. Even unbelievably qualified assistants like Dungy. He Rooney Le helped accelerate the balance. And it isn't like affirmative action because here is no quota. It's just an interview not a mandatory hire. For those who hate the Rooney rule take a look at college football where almost every head coach is white. Or nfl front offices. And no, just because David Shaw and ozzie Newsome exist doesn't mean there is Bala ce.

Strongside 01-19-2013 08:39 AM

Bullshit. Should we make requirements that you must work out at least one white guy for all skill positions before acquiring new players as well?


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