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Jerm 05-21-2013 12:06 AM

So if Belcher is on there it'll just be 3 heads right?

ChiefAshhole20 05-21-2013 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 9696649)
So if Belcher is on there it'll just be 3 heads right?

Well... I suppose 3 1/2

Jerm 05-21-2013 12:09 AM

My second nomination would be Daboll, a pile of shit, an aborted fetus, and a jug of antifreeze

patteeu 05-21-2013 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9696547)
But if we can only have four, I think you have to go with an owner, a coach, an offensive player, and a defensive player. And they would be Lamar Hunt, Hank Stram, Len Dawson, and our first Hall of Fame player, Bobby Bell.

I was going to go with the first three plus Willie Lanier thinking that Bell only beat him into the Hall of Fame because he retired first, but after looking them up on profootballreference.com, it turns out that Bell was 1st team All Pro 6 times (with 9 Pro Bowls) and Lanier only made it 3 times (with 8 Pro Bowls). So I'll go with Hunt, Stram, Dawson, and Bell also.

FWIW, here are the guys who made 1st team All Pro the most times:

6 - Bobby Bell, Johnny Robinson, Jim Tyrer

5 - Tony Gonzales

4 - Buck Buchanan

3 - Fred Arbanas, Derron Cherry, Sherrill Headrick, Priest Holmes, Willie Lanier

2 - Ed Budde, Len Dawson, Abner Haynes, EJ Holub, Albert Lewis, Nick Lowery, Jerry Mays, Will Shields, Otis Taylor, Derrick Thomas, Brian Waters

1 - 20 players

Old Dog 05-21-2013 07:33 AM

Add another for Hunt, Stram, Bell, Dawson

BossChief 05-21-2013 07:34 AM

Hunt, Stram, Lanier, Dawson

This leagues about championships and those guy won them.

seaofred 05-21-2013 07:37 AM

I don't know that I would put the owner on it. I think I would go:

Dawson
Stram
Lanier
DT

patteeu 05-21-2013 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 9696821)
I don't know that I would put the owner on it. I think I would go:

Dawson
Stram
Lanier
DT

IMO, that particular owner is the most important piece. He wasn't just a money bag or a guy who inherited a team.

seaofred 05-21-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9696835)
IMO, that particular owner is the most important piece.

Yeah, but every team could say that. If it wasn't for the original owner, said team wouldn't be there. I'm not taking away from who Lamar was, I just feel that the owner doesn't belong on the Mt. Rushmore of each team.

patteeu 05-21-2013 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 9696839)
Yeah, but every team could say that. If it wasn't for the original owner, said team wouldn't be there. I'm not taking away from who Lamar was, I just feel that the owner doesn't belong on the Mt. Rushmore of each team.

I hear you. The difference I see between Hunt and most other owners is that Hunt didn't just buy a team, he was one of the masterminds behind creating an entire league and then getting that league into the NFL. There aren't many owners who have had as much impact on pro football as Lamar Hunt. But there's nothing wrong with having different opinions on this. :)

Old Dog 05-21-2013 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9696835)
IMO, that particular owner is the most important piece. He wasn't just a money bag or a guy who inherited a team.

concur....there aren't many owners who I would think should be on the Mt Rushmore of their teams but there are a handful that you just can't leave off IMO.

Hunt, Al Davis, George Halas, Wellington Mara, Art Rooney, and Robert Kraft are among those that are no-brainers IMO.

seaofred 05-21-2013 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9696853)
I hear you. The difference I see between Hunt and most other owners is that Hunt didn't just buy a team, he was one of the masterminds behind creating an entire league and then getting that league into the NFL. There aren't many owners who have had as much impact on pro football as Lamar Hunt. But there's nothing wrong with having different opinions on this. :)


You're right, absolutely nothing wrong with having different opinions. I would give Hunt a Lincoln style monument, if I were in charge.

ct 05-21-2013 08:16 AM

Hunt, Stram, Dawson are gimmies

Last one is tough, but I gotta go with Gonzo, despite not finishing his career in KC. He's the best as his position in NFL history. Granted, that's 'Modern Era' history of receiving TEs, but he is the best, and it's really not that close.

patteeu 05-21-2013 08:47 AM

Using profootballreference.com's Career Approximate Value metric, the highest scoring Chiefs are:

Tony Gonzalez - 172* (26th all time)
Joe Montana - 164** (37th)
Bobby Bell - 149 (69th)
Len Dawson - 147 (76th)
Mike Webster - 143*** (90th)
Marcus Allen - 142**** (93rd)
Johnny Robinson - 140 (100th)
Buck Buchanan - 138 (111th)
Dave Krieg - 138***** (111th)
Will Shields - 133 (139th)
Willie Roaf - 133****** (139th)
Derrick Thomas - 131 (152nd)
Jim Tyrer - 130******* (160th)
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* 128 AV pts during Gonzales' 12 years with KC
** 18 AV pts during Montana's 2 years with KC
*** 9 AV pts during Webster's 2 years with KC
**** 36 AV pts during Allen's 5 years with KC
***** 17 AV pts during Krieg's 2 years with KC
****** 52 AV pts during Roaf's 4 years with KC
******* 128 AV pts during Tyrer's 13 years with KC (and Dallas Texans)
=====================================

So if you only count CAV in a Chief's uniform, the leaderboard looks like this:

1. Bobby Bell
2. Len Dawson
3. Johnny Robinson
4. Buck Buchanan
5. Will Shields
6. Derrick Thomas
7t. Tony Gonzalez
7t. Jim Tyrer

Old Dog 05-21-2013 08:51 AM

Robinson is one I had forgotten about......in all honesty I probably wouldn't have had him in the top 10. I would have been wrong.


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