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Fat Elvis 02-22-2013 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9427388)
I'll be pissed the guy is a choke artist

24-6 as a starter; won 4 consecutive bowl games? How so? I hear he is frustratingly inconsistent, but it seems like one way or another he finds ways to win. I'm just curious.

O.city 02-22-2013 11:48 PM

And he absolutely folds in big games. FSU had National Championship type talent, yet always under achieved.


He had alot to do with it.

PaulAllen 02-22-2013 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9427401)
...They aren't even comparable prospects outside of Size and arm strength.

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Physically imposing passer. Throws from the shotgun formation quite often, but is also effective on play action. Flashes the velocity to stretch the field and throw in tight spaces between defenders and on the sideline. Displays good touch on throws to each level of the field, finds receivers between defenders and drop passes over their head. Good athlete with the mobility to step up in the pocket to avoid pressure and take advantage of openings to pick up first downs with his feet. Quick release, though it often looks as though he’s throwing darts on shorter throws. Intelligent, high character team leader.
WEAKNESSES Gives opponents too many chances for turnovers by forcing throws into coverage trying to make a play. Area code accuracy – short throws are often low or wide, preventing receivers from making a play after the catch. Deep ball accuracy is uneven, as well. Gets happy feet under pressure, spins to the outside to avoid the rush. Inconsistent recognizing blitz. Must step into his throws more consistently to fully utilize his arm strength.

NFL COMPARISON Blaine Gabbert

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profil...uel?id=2539228

KCrockaholic 02-22-2013 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9427414)
I've had close family members battle cancer before, and I kept going to work and performing to a high standard at my job.

Where's my ****ing draft slot? #1 overall pick nao plz

I've never fully understood the way of thinking that if a guy goes and plays football while he's dealing with a family issue that it's somehow heroic. An immediate family member death and then playing 5 days or less afterwards would be difficult.

But football is used as an escape from reality for some of these players just as much as it is from a fans standpoint. Dealing with a family member with some form of cancer can be very hard, but going and playing football while said family member is sick is not heroic. It's just how life is.

KCrockaholic 02-22-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulAllen (Post 9427428)
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Physically imposing passer. Throws from the shotgun formation quite often, but is also effective on play action. Flashes the velocity to stretch the field and throw in tight spaces between defenders and on the sideline. Displays good touch on throws to each level of the field, finds receivers between defenders and drop passes over their head. Good athlete with the mobility to step up in the pocket to avoid pressure and take advantage of openings to pick up first downs with his feet. Quick release, though it often looks as though he’s throwing darts on shorter throws. Intelligent, high character team leader.
WEAKNESSES Gives opponents too many chances for turnovers by forcing throws into coverage trying to make a play. Area code accuracy – short throws are often low or wide, preventing receivers from making a play after the catch. Deep ball accuracy is uneven, as well. Gets happy feet under pressure, spins to the outside to avoid the rush. Inconsistent recognizing blitz. Must step into his throws more consistently to fully utilize his arm strength.

NFL COMPARISON Blaine Gabbert

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profil...uel?id=2539228

That comparison is off base and a serious reach by a writer that couldn't think of anything better.

Willie Lanier 02-22-2013 11:56 PM

Best of luck with your real estate in rural Florida

PaulAllen 02-22-2013 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9427434)
That comparison is off base and a serious reach by a writer that couldn't think of anything better.

LMAO Of course he is. I mean after all, you just said hes nothing like Blaine Gabbert.

Tribal Warfare 02-22-2013 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9427424)
24-6 as a starter; won 4 consecutive bowl games? How so? I hear he is frustratingly inconsistent, but it seems like one way or another he finds ways to win. I'm just curious.

Checkout the NC State game in which Glennon "Shined"

BossChief 02-22-2013 11:58 PM

He even looks like Culpepper...but without the tiny hands.

Fat Elvis 02-23-2013 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9427431)
I've never fully understood the way of thinking that if a guy goes and plays football while he's dealing with a family issue that it's somehow heroic. An immediate family member death and then playing 5 days or less afterwards would be difficult.

But football is used as an escape from reality for some of these players just as much as it is from a fans standpoint. Dealing with a family member with some form of cancer can be very hard, but going and playing football while said family member is sick is not heroic. It's just how life is.

No one said he is heroic. Speaking from experience, I can tell you that having someone very close to you having cancer is very distracting. It doesn't mean that other people don't do a good job when someone they love gets cancer. However, not a whole lot of people do their job with hundreds of thousands of people rooting for you or against you--as a young man; those two pressures combined are greater than the sum of their respective parts. Personally, as much as I like Geno as a QB prospect, I don't think he handles pressure very well. He has a bad tendency to throw temper tantrums on the sideline that a lot of people on the board like to dismiss as being "competitive." Perhaps he is just being competitive, I don't know--it just doesn't come off that way to me.

KCrockaholic 02-23-2013 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulAllen (Post 9427441)
LMAO Of course he is. I mean after all, you just said hes nothing like Blaine Gabbert.

They have some similarities. But I also see similarity in Manuel and Terrelle Pryor, or maybe a little bit of Flacco. That doesn't mean it's a legit comparison. Calling Manuel a poor mans Gabbert is off base.

KCrockaholic 02-23-2013 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9427451)
No one said he is heroic. Speaking from experience, I can tell you that having someone very close to you having cancer is very distracting. It doesn't mean that other people don't do a good job when someone they love gets cancer. However, not a whole lot of people do their job with hundreds of thousands of people rooting for you or against you--as a young man; those two pressures combined are greater than the sum of their respective parts. Personally, as much as I like Geno as a QB prospect, I don't think he handles pressure very well. He has a bad tendency to throw temper tantrums on the sideline that a lot of people on the board like to dismiss as being "competitive." Perhaps he is just being competitive, I don't know--it just doesn't come off that way to me.

I just don't think it's something that needs to be taken into account and makes a guy a better prospect because of it. Everything else I get.

O.city 02-23-2013 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9427451)
No one said he is heroic. Speaking from experience, I can tell you that having someone very close to you having cancer is very distracting. It doesn't mean that other people don't do a good job when someone they love gets cancer. However, not a whole lot of people do their job with hundreds of thousands of people rooting for you or against you--as a young man; those two pressures combined are greater than the sum of their respective parts. Personally, as much as I like Geno as a QB prospect, I don't think he handles pressure very well. He has a bad tendency to throw temper tantrums on the sideline that a lot of people on the board like to dismiss as being "competitive." Perhaps he is just being competitive, I don't know--it just doesn't come off that way to me.

Manuel is a 3 or 4th round prospect that will get pushed up based on the SR bowl, the combine and his raw skills.

Frankie 02-23-2013 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 9427388)
I'll be pissed the guy is a choke artist

Not according to Fat Elvis:

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9427381)
... 2) He doesn't fold during big games. He is only the second college QB in history to win four straight bowl games...

I have never heard of E.J. Manuel being a "choke artist." what are you basing your claim on?

Fat Elvis 02-23-2013 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 9427458)
I just don't think it's something that needs to be taken into account and makes a guy a better prospect because of it. Everything else I get.

I think maturity and the ability to handle adveristy will be really important for any QB selected this year. I odn't think any QB will have out of the box success; I think it will take time for this year's QBs to develop. If they have a history of handling adversity and are mature, I think they will develop into elite QBs over time.


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