Oh, and for what it's worth, I still have those little pockets of fat that I've had since I was a little kid. I'm convinced that they are never coming off unless I would get them sucked out.

You can get a lot of stuff at aging clinics I think (HGH, Test etc...) but as pointed out, its ridiculous expensive and I don't even think there is a clinic within 2 hours of where I live.

Used in moderation that stuff is like the fountain of youth from what I understand.

Yep. Know people who had it. Im going to do all the research when I get to that point.
Its like you said, If done correctly, it really only benefits the user.
There is also a drug you can get from the doctor that you start a week before coming off your cycle that will wake your nuts up better and help you keep up to 90% of your gains. I forget what it is called.

I didn't realize HGH was so expensive. How much are we talking?

Well, you can use HCG throughout to keep them from falling asleep in the first place. We used to use a combination of Clomid and Nolvadex post cycle.

Gotcha. Didnt know that, but Clomid was what I was talking about.

This. I still ended up with back surgery. I don't think the roids did me any good at all.

Definitely have always had times where I want to use them, Test or HGH. Never have take the plunge though on any of that, oral steroids/hormones included. HGH would be way out of my price range from what I have gathered.

Have no doubt when my Test levels start to decline as I age that I will go some route to boost performace/physique.

whats the point of doing steroids? so you can bench 225 25 times?

I could do 19 reps of 225 at age 43 without taking a single supplement, ever.

I think that most guys do it for the "look".

Yea I agree. A few definitely do it for strength gains, which is really why I would take it now if I did, but for the most part it is for physique minded goals. Increase the Test and decrease the Estrogen for denser muscles and less bodyfat.

I think most do it for the quick results.

yes and yes


imo just about everyone over the age of 45-ish should be on maintenance level dosage of HGH.

1 i.u. per day

I can understand it for the college/pro athletes.

There's a huge plus there. There's a huge risk as well but you're burning the candle at both ends banking on that short bright flash.

Why the **** any everyday Joe would do it is beyond me...

Oh for sure. Definitely why there are so many who shouldn't be dabbling anywhere near this stuff do.

I have been training consistently for 10 years. I would definitely be able to handle a safer cycle and know what the **** I am doing. I think if I ever did it, I would much rather do a lower dose run for some longer duration gains than try a large dosed, concise cycle.