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Rain Man 09-26-2013 04:12 PM

My little foray into wealth last night.
 
Just had to mention this. I went to a business party last night, and it was at a very upscale condo, quite swanky and architecturally distinctive. I'm nosy, so I looked up the assessed value. It was about $1.7 million, which actually seems cheap for this place since it was very, very nice.

The furnishings didn't seem that livable, and I was curious who actually lived in the place. During a conversation, one of the hostesses told me. It was a family that has a mansion a couple of miles away, but they bought this condo just as a place to host parties.

Okay, got it. This is a $1.7 million private clubhouse. They bought a $1.7 million condo just to hold parties.

Then I got the tour.

It had a lot of art in it, and there was a piece upstairs over a couch by a particular artist that I recognized. He's a somewhat obscure artist, but I knew the name and I was thinking, "Wait a minute".

So when I got home I did a little searching. That painting - the exact painting that was over the couch - sold at auction a couple of years ago for $1.2 million.

That piece was about 36" x 48". And they had two more pieces by the same artist that were enormous. At the same auction where the small painting was sold, another painting by this artist sold for over $60 million, so there's a high end that's pretty high. And one of the big paintings looked suspiciously similar to another one that auctioned off for $20 million.

And that was the one artist that I'd heard of. There were two more pieces that the knowledgeable art people were oohing and aahing about that I suspect may have been similar in status.

And the thing is, I've never heard of the owners. It's some finance dude and his wife.

There's some serious money walking around in this world, and it's not just famous people. It's really kind of amazing to see what some people out there can afford to do. I really should have gone into finance as a career.

Anyone else ever wander into a display of wealth like this? Let's hear the stories.

Chief_For_Life58 09-26-2013 04:15 PM

theres a ton of hidden big money families in denver

Buck 09-26-2013 04:22 PM

You had an Apricot BMW. Wealth is not a new concept to you.

Ceej 09-26-2013 04:24 PM

I once made $1000 off a spin on a slot machine in Vegas.

I felt wealthy.

That's my story.

BlackHelicopters 09-26-2013 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 10022446)
I once made $1000 off a spin on a slot machine in Vegas.

I felt wealthy.

That's my story.


Won $28 at a local casino a few weeks ago. Exciting.

T-post Tom 09-26-2013 04:30 PM

What's the address?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sourc...80320997407357

Rain Man 09-26-2013 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10022440)
You had an Apricot BMW. Wealth is not a new concept to you.

The apricot BMW was my ticket into this party. They just assumed that I was a man of great wealth.

IowaChiefs83 09-26-2013 04:31 PM

Wish I could just throw some color spots at a canvas and find someone with "fine taste" to give me 60 million Benjamins.

Rain Man 09-26-2013 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 10022429)
theres a ton of hidden big money families in denver

Apparently. I was astounded. This whole place was discretionary spending.

SAUTO 09-26-2013 04:32 PM

I went to the kroenke wedding several years ago in Columbia.

they spent some bucks on it, estimated at ten million...


On a wedding.


But it was ****ing great
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Rain Man 09-26-2013 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10022464)
I went to the kroenke wedding several years ago in Columbia.

they spent some bucks on it, estimated at ten million...


On a wedding.


But it was ****ing great
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How'd you get invited to that? Are you a Walton? And did anything in particular stand out, like perhaps a limo made out of solid gold or something?

Consistent1 09-26-2013 04:35 PM

I have never understood people paying that kind of money for paintings.

Suppose it could be considered an investment, but still.

I can understand the party condo far more than that.

SAUTO 09-26-2013 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10022467)
How'd you get invited to that? Are you a Walton? And did anything in particular stand out, like perhaps a limo made out of solid gold or something?

My wife's cousin that lived down the road from us married Stan's daughter.

the reception was in a three story tent. Wolfgang Puck catered it.
We drank more alcohol than was drank at a Coors family wedding that took place around the same time. They have a room that is totally covered in marble.
the whole thing was a great experience. We had a ton of fun.
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SAUTO 09-26-2013 04:41 PM

Several wedding magazines called it the wedding of the year.
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Randallflagg 09-26-2013 04:43 PM

I live in Olathe. I bought a new Harley back in 05 and took it out for a spin. Headed out Santa Fe (west) and just kept riding. My God!! I could not believe the McMansions that are out that way - past Olathe.

Then I read where, at least at that time, that KC had more millionaires per capita than most other cities in America.

Could have fooled me....

stonedstooge 09-26-2013 04:45 PM

Paintings are most likely fakes.

Ceej 09-26-2013 04:47 PM

It isn't a mansion unless it has a bowling alley. :)

Rain Man 09-26-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 10022497)
Paintings are most likely fakes.


These weren't. Unless possibly they were reproductions while the real paintings were in a vault. These people had a lot of money and they spent it on art.

Baby Lee 09-26-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 10022472)
I have never understood people paying that kind of money for paintings.

Suppose it could be considered an investment, but still.

I can understand the party condo far more than that.

IIRC, Lars Ulrich has made more money from art investment than from Metallica.

Rain Man 09-26-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 10022472)
I have never understood people paying that kind of money for paintings.

Suppose it could be considered an investment, but still.

I can understand the party condo far more than that.


It's ridiculous when you think about what you're actually buying.

That said, as long as there's a market and you think it's going to appreciate, you're right. It's an investment that you can enjoy. But it sure seems like an artificial market.

I guess, though, for these paintings in the stratosphere of pricing, it's not like the market will collapse due to a recession. The people who can pay $1.2 million for a painting don't get affected by recessions except on paper. And people this rich will always pay for something that brings prestige or impresses people.

Hog's Gone Fishin 09-26-2013 05:05 PM

This thread has really inspired me. I'm making a drawing right friggin now while I still have beer left. I do my best work when I have beer.

Rainman, were any of those paintings in crayon ? That's all I have at the moment.

Rain Man 09-26-2013 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 10022556)
This thread has really inspired me. I'm making a drawing right friggin now while I still have beer left. I do my best work when I have beer.

Rainman, were any of those paintings in crayon ? That's all I have at the moment.


Two were pastel and one was hog semen. No crayons, unfortunately.

Hog's Gone Fishin 09-26-2013 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10022563)
Two were pastel and one was hog semen. No crayons, unfortunately.

OOOHHHH. I'm gonna be rich !!!!!!!!!!!! I've got Hog semen in the fridge as we speak.

Valiant 09-26-2013 05:48 PM

Please. Party condo. More like swingers condo so the neighbors dont know.

saphojunkie 09-26-2013 05:55 PM

When I first moved to LA, I met a girl at the bar whose family OWNS a major US bank. First I went to their Beverly Hills mansion for a party. Which was insane.

Then I went away for the weekend with her to the family's "Beach house" in Malibu.

The beach house was a $40 million compound. It was in ****ing sane. Acres of land. I went for a run in the back yard. I got back in and asked "where's lily?"

"Oh, she's in the other wing."

That's when I went outside and realized that this massive mansion I'd been in was actually 1/2 of the whole house. Disturbing wealth.

Baby Lee 09-26-2013 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10022694)
When I first moved to LA, I met a girl at the bar whose family OWNS a major US bank. First I went to their Beverly Hills mansion for a party. Which was insane.

Then I went away for the weekend with her to the family's "Beach house" in Malibu.

The beach house was a $40 million compound. It was in ****ing sane. Acres of land. I went for a run in the back yard. I got back in and asked "where's lily?"

"Oh, she's in the other wing."

That's when I went outside and realized that this massive mansion I'd been in was actually 1/2 of the whole house. Disturbing wealth.

Howard Stern's chimneys, y'all.

http://www.orangecirclestudio.com/wp...tons-House.jpg

Phobia 09-26-2013 06:04 PM

That's pure crazy. Crap hanging on your wall worth 100x more than your entire house that you don't even live in? I do not understand.

Baby Lee 09-26-2013 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 10022707)
That's pure crazy. Crap hanging on your wall worth 100x more than your entire house that you don't even live in? I do not understand.

If it serves as a place to make connections to further your wealth, while accruing value in it's own right with no effort from you, what's the drawback?

Phobia 09-26-2013 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10022710)
If it serves as a place to make connections to further your wealth, while accruing value in it's own right with no effort from you, what's the drawback?

I'm not suggesting there is a drawback. I just can't wrap my $65/hr head around it ATM.

hometeam 09-26-2013 06:15 PM

Not quite as 'fancy' but I have been a few times out to MO state Senator Mike Kehoe's farm. It is MASSIVE, with its own horse arena, and Im not talking a little corral, I am talking a full covered, full size arena with all the stalls and everything you need for an entire herd of high dollar horses. An extremely valuable classic horse buggy collection, housed in its own spotless barn. A giant house of course, with a guest house with 20 foot ceilings, completely bad ass setup with bedrooms, lofts, and he has catering staff that work in the giant kitchen in the guesthouse to feed us. Go out (you have to ride out on a 4 wheeler or gator since its so far) a bit farther and not only does he have millions of dollars in farm equipment/buildings he has a skeet shooting deck that looks over his private valley that runs along over a mile of river.

Must be nice~

Baby Lee 09-26-2013 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 10022715)
I'm not suggesting there is a drawback. I just can't wrap my $65/hr head around it ATM.

My closest brush with wealth is even a bit more hard to grasp, even years later. Won't bore you if you already know the story.

Phobia 09-26-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 10022739)
My closest brush with wealth is even a bit more hard to grasp, even years later. Won't bore you if you already know the story.

Don't recall for sure. I've been doing work on a very nice house lately. Two Ferraris in the garage. It's a nice house but I don't think he has any million dollar paintings hanging on the walls.

Baby Lee 09-26-2013 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 10022747)
Don't recall for sure. I've been doing work on a very nice house lately. Two Ferraris in the garage. It's a nice house but I don't think he has any million dollar paintings hanging on the walls.

Spoiler not to hide info, but to spare the bored

Spoiler!

Otter 09-26-2013 06:40 PM

No idea what it's like to be stinky rich but back in the heyday of IT I owned a 5 bedroom house that one bedroom stored my kayak, mountain bike and fly rods. Besides the room I slept in there could have been a vagrant living in the others for all I known for how much I visited them.

Give me a bed, office and couch and I'm happy. It becomes futile at some point IMHO.

Land for the dogs and a small ranch any day. It is fun to see the other side but hell if I want to keep it up.

a pp roach 09-26-2013 07:23 PM

manthat'ssoawesomeoiwishicoustarvingfamiliesinthestreetsofamericaldhavebeentheremyself

what?

ptlyon 09-26-2013 07:25 PM

Thanks for coming Rain Man!

Kaepernick 09-26-2013 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10022505)
These weren't. Unless possibly they were reproductions while the real paintings were in a vault. These people had a lot of money and they spent it on art.

I wonder how much it costs to insure a $20 million dollar sheet of oil covered paper.

vailpass 09-26-2013 11:05 PM

Better have one hell of a security system. And sprinklers.

Dave Lane 09-26-2013 11:09 PM

Welcome to my house :)

Fortunately almost no one knows what they are looking at so it seems just odd eclectic junk to most. Nothing in the individual millions. I've been in some places with killer stuff. It's pretty unusual to see people with any sort of taste.

Phobia 09-26-2013 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10023798)
Welcome to my house :)

Fortunately almost no one knows what they are looking at so it seems just odd eclectic junk to most. Nothing in the individual millions. I've been in some places with killer stuff. It's pretty unusual to see people with any sort of taste.

I have amazing taste. Everything I like is too expensive.

J Diddy 09-27-2013 01:28 AM

certainly not comparable but I did frame the first dollar I ever made.

vailpass 09-27-2013 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 10023893)
certainly not comparable but I did frame the first dollar I ever made.

That's art to you...

scho63 09-27-2013 06:47 AM

I was in Scott McNealy's house on the Pebble Beach golf course during the 100th US Open. I knew it was worth a ton of money. It was very nice but there was no obnoxious display of wealth. He did have a rocking wine collection and the food and drink at the party was all 1st class.

The only other time was when I flew business class and was put up in the penthouse at the Furama Hotel in Hong Kong back in 1995. I sent some clothes to be cleaned and everything come back with ribbons and boxes around them like they were brand new from a store, even my underwear and socks. The room service was incredible and I had a limo at my disposal.

rockymtnchief 09-27-2013 07:02 AM

I could take you to 3 ranches that were purchased for 65 million, 37 million, and 35 million.

The first ranch, the owners spend around 3 weeks out of the year there.

The second ranch, the owners spend 1 week a year there.

The third ranch, the owners haven't set a foot on the property. They viewed it from a helicopter and made an offer and haven't been back.

None of them are celebrities. They make me feel poor! :D

vailpass 09-27-2013 07:07 AM

Let's not get gauche here...

Otter 09-27-2013 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10023798)
Welcome to my house :)

Fortunately almost no one knows what they are looking at so it seems just odd eclectic junk to most. Nothing in the individual millions. I've been in some places with killer stuff. It's pretty unusual to see people with any sort of taste.

You've always struck me as a liberal Donger. Not sure how that's relevant but what art do you have on the walls?

My art collection consistences of the "Rat Pack" playing pool that hangs in my basement. I'm never home and the women is the same way. It's a place to sleep, cook and take a peaceful dump.

How often do you look at paintings? Not being a smart ass but seriously, would you miss them after seeing them so much if someone stole them?

I know, I'm a rube.

kepp 09-27-2013 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 10022624)
OOOHHHH. I'm gonna be rich !!!!!!!!!!!! I've got Hog semen in the fridge as we speak.

I'm now hoping you have a fridge in your garage.

plazahawkeye 09-27-2013 09:21 AM

haha you poors

taterhog 09-27-2013 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10022732)
Not quite as 'fancy' but I have been a few times out to MO state Senator Mike Kehoe's farm. It is MASSIVE, with its own horse arena, and Im not talking a little corral, I am talking a full covered, full size arena with all the stalls and everything you need for an entire herd of high dollar horses. An extremely valuable classic horse buggy collection, housed in its own spotless barn. A giant house of course, with a guest house with 20 foot ceilings, completely bad ass setup with bedrooms, lofts, and he has catering staff that work in the giant kitchen in the guesthouse to feed us. Go out (you have to ride out on a 4 wheeler or gator since its so far) a bit farther and not only does he have millions of dollars in farm equipment/buildings he has a skeet shooting deck that looks over his private valley that runs along over a mile of river.

Must be nice~

I was down in Westlake, TX a about 10 years ago, when we were more into horses. An ex-Steeler lived down there, with a similar setup (minus the skeet shooting, I'm thinking the golf course next door with have issue with that). When you inventory things in your head and realize the cost of just the coolzone fans at the top of the show barn, you know these are deep deep pockets.

kindra68 09-27-2013 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 10022440)
You had an Apricot BMW. Wealth is not a new concept to you.

had? HAD?!?! What the hell is this "had"?!?
I have been away from CP too long. Far, far too long.
::walks back to corner, head bowed down in shame and embarrassment::

beach tribe 09-27-2013 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10022421)
Just had to mention this. I went to a business party last night, and it was at a very upscale condo, quite swanky and architecturally distinctive. I'm nosy, so I looked up the assessed value. It was about $1.7 million, which actually seems cheap for this place since it was very, very nice.

The furnishings didn't seem that livable, and I was curious who actually lived in the place. During a conversation, one of the hostesses told me. It was a family that has a mansion a couple of miles away, but they bought this condo just as a place to host parties.

Okay, got it. This is a $1.7 million private clubhouse. They bought a $1.7 million condo just to hold parties.

Then I got the tour.


It had a lot of art in it, and there was a piece upstairs over a couch by a particular artist that I recognized. He's a somewhat obscure artist, but I knew the name and I was thinking, "Wait a minute".

So when I got home I did a little searching. That painting - the exact painting that was over the couch - sold at auction a couple of years ago for $1.2 million.

That piece was about 36" x 48". And they had two more pieces by the same artist that were enormous. At the same auction where the small painting was sold, another painting by this artist sold for over $60 million, so there's a high end that's pretty high. And one of the big paintings looked suspiciously similar to another one that auctioned off for $20 million.

And that was the one artist that I'd heard of. There were two more pieces that the knowledgeable art people were oohing and aahing about that I suspect may have been similar in status.

And the thing is, I've never heard of the owners. It's some finance dude and his wife.

There's some serious money walking around in this world, and it's not just famous people. It's really kind of amazing to see what some people out there can afford to do. I really should have gone into finance as a career.

Anyone else ever wander into a display of wealth like this? Let's hear the stories.

I work for company that sells a niche product to boat/yacht owners. There are over a 100 boat yards in the Ft. Lauderdale/Miami area.

My first idea of how much money was out there, was my first trip to one of the more modest yards that had at least 30 yachts in the 100 million dollar range. and 100 or more at, at least, 50M.....that was 1 yard.....1.
There are 1000s of them in those yards at 20M+.

How much dough do you need to have a Fn boat that costs 20M?....Take a guess.

There are A LOT of people, with A LOT of money. Its staggering.

Rain Man 09-28-2013 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kindra68 (Post 10025560)
had? HAD?!?! What the hell is this "had"?!?
I have been away from CP too long. Far, far too long.
::walks back to corner, head bowed down in shame and embarrassment::

You may rest easy, because I still have it. It's my trusty apricot steed.

Rausch 09-28-2013 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10022421)
There's some serious money walking around in this world, and it's not just famous people.

Pretty much.

Kind of puts our (mundane) decisions in a whole new perspective...

Marcellus 09-28-2013 12:35 PM

Guy I was in the Army with grew up on Long Island, lived down the road from Jimmy Connors. I stayed with his family for a week.

Grandfather had made a fortune in lumber and passed it to his kids. Many many millions each.

My buddy was definitely the black sheep of the family.

No million dollar paintings but he had a good friend who dated Maria Carey through high school.

His fiance babysat for the head of props as NBC studios so we got a kick ass tour of the place and tix to the Letterman show (when still on NBC of course).

My sister was Will Shields live in nanny for a couple years after becoming friends with his wife while going to college at KC Wesleyan. Never got to take advantage of that situation though.

Thats all I got.

Rain Man 09-28-2013 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10026541)
.

My sister was Will Shields live in nanny for a couple years after becoming friends with his wife while going to college at KC Wesleyan. Never got to take advantage of that situation though.

Thats all I got.

Wait. She was his nanny while he was active? And you never told us?

BlackHelicopters 09-28-2013 12:43 PM

I once rode in an elevator with CarrotTop

Marcellus 09-28-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10026546)
Wait. She was his nanny while he was active? And you never told us?

Yea, around 1997 and 1998.

She called me the night before the 1997 Playoff game with free tickets because some of Will's family wasn't going to make it.

Couldn't go because of the short notice and my wife was sick.

Thank God I didn't.

I did keep his number on my little caller ID thing for like a year. I was shocked it showed up and wasn't private.

Anyway she got to go to Hawaii for the ProBowl with them 1 year and she spent a month in Europe with his wife's family, she was from Denmark.

Very cool down to earth people. His wife and kids came to my sisters grad party. Will was out of town on business..

Marcellus 09-28-2013 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 10026549)
I once rode in an elevator with CarrotTop

When I went to the Letterman show Boomer Esaison was a guest on the show. I rode the elevator with him after the show. He was a dick.

blaise 09-28-2013 01:01 PM

I had a similar experience last year. A parent from my kid's soccer team invited everyone over for an end of year party. When we got to his neighborhood it was like, "They live here?" Huge houses with giant grand entrances and pricey landscaping. His house was huge, and nice. I knew his wife was a high level exec at JC Penney and he was some kind of exec but I had no idea that had that kind of dough. He dips and wears a scrubby T shirt and shorts all the time.

blaise 09-28-2013 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10026570)
When I went to the Letterman show Boomer Esaison was a guest on the show. I rode the elevator with him after the show. He was a dick.

That's interesting. I believe you, but he's one of the few media/athlete guys that will interact with people on twitter.

Bowser 09-28-2013 02:46 PM

I've watch that show The Lottery Changed My Life before.

LiveSteam 09-28-2013 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 10022429)
theres a ton of hidden big money families in denver

I read somewhere,it has something to do with the Airport & Aliens

Fat Elvis 09-28-2013 03:03 PM

People forget that when you talk about the "top 1%" in America, you're talking about over 3 million people....

Hoover 09-28-2013 03:14 PM

That entire condo is probably treated like a business expense.

I have some wealthy friends but nothing like that. Some times its just crazy. Like the time a private jet flew me to Iowa City for a football game. The drive is only 2 hours or so, but this way we could drink as much as we wanted. WTF

vailpass 09-28-2013 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 10026887)
That entire condo is probably treated like a business expense.

I have some wealthy friends but nothing like that. Some times its just crazy. Like the time a private jet flew me to Iowa City for a football game. The drive is only 2 hours or so, but this way we could drink as much as we wanted. WTF

Best private I ever rode was PHX to Vegas. Guy had two topless attendants serving drinks for another buddies bachelor party. Full bar, other stuff. I didn't even know the guy.

Bowser 09-28-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 10026907)
Best private I ever rode was PHX to Vegas. Guy had two topless attendants serving drinks for another buddies bachelor party. Full bar, other stuff. I didn't even know the guy.

That's a hell of a start to a Vegas bachelor party.

Marcellus 09-28-2013 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaise (Post 10026580)
That's interesting. I believe you, but he's one of the few media/athlete guys that will interact with people on twitter.

He was QB of the Jets at the time. That can make anyone bitchy.

trndobrd 09-28-2013 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10022421)

Then I got the tour.

It had a lot of art in it, and there was a piece upstairs over a couch by a particular artist that I recognized. He's a somewhat obscure artist, but I knew the name and I was thinking, "Wait a minute".

So, the hostess was doing the old "let's go upstairs and look at the art over the couch" ploy. I've seen similar situations in a few movies.

MahiMike 09-28-2013 03:59 PM

There are so many different "worlds" out there. Right under our noses. My son being on the junior golf tour, we rub elbows with tons of rich folks. From pros kids to Palm Beach socialites.

Just finished one w/Anna Kournikova's brother. His mom was like straight off the Russian boat. Hot like Anna.

Bowser 09-28-2013 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 10026976)
There are so many different "worlds" out there. Right under our noses. My son being on the junior golf tour, we rub elbows with tons of rich folks. From pros kids to Palm Beach socialites.

Just finished one w/Anna Kournikova's brother. His mom was like straight off the Russian boat. Hot like Anna.

You know the drill, pics or.......


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