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Chiefshrink 08-23-2009 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon (Post 5995386)
Well this first sentence doesn't make any sense. Pioli decided to get Cassel because he saw that he could make the best of a bad situation?

"Cassel- Yeah, I'm 2nd string on one of the top offenses in NFL history and have two pro bowl receivers, I'm going to try to make the bestof this bad situation. Oh, Brady went down. Well I'd rather holeup in the locker room with a bottle of Jack Daniels, but I'll see if I can make it work"

"Pioli- Wow, watch that kid make the best of a bad situation, chucking it up to Randy Moss and Wes Welker. After I sign with the Chiefs, I'm going to have an extra-bad situation, it's good that I've seen Cassel perform under these adverse conditions because I know that he'll do the same in Arrowhead with one of the league's worst offenses."

Banyon, with all due respect. Let's look at the flip side of your argument. What you are saying is that any or most QB's could or should have performed 'great' with that supporting cast in NE.

Respectfully, I disagree . E.G. You take the Chiefs of the early to mid 90's-all that supporting talent on both sides of the ball but average QBs in Deberg and Krieg. Montana was great for a time but past his prime with the Chiefs-only to show a glimpse of past brilliance on a Monday night against the Broncos). Deberg and Krieg could not get past their mediocrity and Marty for that matter.

The positive I see with MC is he not only performed well given a great supporting cast but towards the end of last season was performing 'great' IMO. Bottom line: When given the great cast MC took advantage of this great cast and actually got better as the season went along. What you worry about is when a QB stays mediocre with a great cast around him(ala Tavaris Jackson-Vikes). 3 examples(Deberg,Krieg and Jackson) and many more I'm sure if I took the time think about them.

Look how well MC played against the Vikes with at best mediocre O-line and still was able to move the ball and score. This shows you his potential greatness against a top rated D (granted 1 of the Williams boys and Allen didn't play but still you are talking the Vikes D) MC will be a top 3 QB in 2yrs and will be in the top 10 this yr IMO.;)

SAUTO 08-23-2009 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5993570)
Wtf??? You watched every play of the first half of a preseason game, sometimes 7 or 8 times??????

Jason, you too? And you aren't on the Kansas City Chiefs coaching staff?

Ok, you people need a ****ing life.
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damn man i think i have a pretty good lfe, i watched the game with my daughters and my wife, they dont know too much about football and watching the plays let them get a feel for the game AND let ME see specific players and how they are doing their jobs. i also have many friends own my own business spent the night last night out of town with the wife and three other couples had a REAL good time. AT LEAST im not hung up on some woman that screwed me over at some point in my life like you. maybe you are the one that needs to GET A LIFE.


EDIT: and you had it wrong it wasnt just the first half, it was the whole game

JD10367 08-23-2009 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 5994126)
When I read your name, all I can think of is Twiki from Buck Rogers.

We pardon the interruption of this thread for a great reason to post a pic of Erin Gray, who initiated many a young-boy fantasy for yours truly. Thanks for the memories, Erin. And the sticky sheets.

http://estebanviso.com/blog/wp-conte...0/eringray.jpg

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-23-2009 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 5995548)
We pardon the interruption of this thread for a great reason to post a pic of Erin Gray, who initiated many a young-boy fantasy for yours truly. Thanks for the memories, Erin. And the sticky sheets.

http://estebanviso.com/blog/wp-conte...0/eringray.jpg

"BDBDBD"! :clap:

Pioli Zombie 08-23-2009 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1 (Post 5995393)
I don't know that Brodie wouldn't do the same thing with a much stronger, capable arm. But Cassel has a really good touch and throwing on the run and laying it out there smooth is tough. Brodie has a tendency stick it in their throat from 10 yards. I was impressed yesterday. I would still like to see him sling a little more, but smart with the ball is good. I was impressed.

When will people ****ing understand the most important ingrediant of what makes a great QB is not arm strength? Jeff George had arm strength. More than Montana or Brady.
Football smarts, pocket presence, leadership, poise, toughness,determination and a decent arm means more than who can throw the ball through a wall.
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Pioli Zombie 08-23-2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5995536)
damn man i think i have a pretty good lfe, i watched the game with my daughters and my wife, they dont know too much about football and watching the plays let them get a feel for the game AND let ME see specific players and how they are doing their jobs. i also have many friends own my own business spent the night last night out of town with the wife and three other couples had a REAL good time. AT LEAST im not hung up on some woman that screwed me over at some point in my life like you. maybe you are the one that needs to GET A LIFE.


EDIT: and you had it wrong it wasnt just the first half, it was the whole game

Your wife and friends watched the game 7 or 8 times with you? Because that's what you said.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 08-23-2009 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5995660)
When will people ****ing understand the most important ingrediant of what makes a great QB is not arm strength? Jeff George had arm strength. More than Montana or Brady.
Football smarts, pocket presence, leadership, poise, toughness,determination and a decent arm means more than who can throw the ball through a wall.
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I agree, and class is in session tomorrow evening. :D

(take a deep breath, I'm just ****in' with ya')

Pioli Zombie 08-23-2009 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5995681)
I agree, and class is in session tomorrow evening. :D

(take a deep breath, I'm just ****in' with ya')

That's right! Jets on MNF. Jesus riding in on the donkey ;)
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Sweet Daddy Hate 08-23-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5995692)
That's right! Jets on MNF. Jesus riding in on the donkey ;)
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ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Oh, you should see some of the NY Press; they can't WAIT to turn this kid in to a cult of personality. I hope has a good showing tomorrow, he's gonna' need it to sustain the NY hype-machine.

Pioli Zombie 08-23-2009 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5995719)
ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Oh, you should see some of the NY Press; they can't WAIT to turn this kid in to a cult of personality. I hope has a good showing tomorrow, he's gonna' need it to sustain the NY hype-machine.

Well at least he doesn't have a tough act to follow. If he has a lot of tipped passes and stupid interceptions they can call him the next Favre.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 08-23-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5995722)
Well at least he doesn't have a tough act to follow. If he has a lot of tipped passes and stupid interceptions they can call him the next Favre.
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LMAO

Favre was intercepted three times.

By the astro-turf.

ASTRO-TURF FTW!!!LMAO

Pioli Zombie 08-23-2009 06:57 PM

Did you ever see the sack last year Adalius Thomas had in NY when he sacked Favre AND the running back trying to block him? He just threw both of them to the ground. Favre had a terrified look on his face. Hilarious.
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Psyko Tek 08-23-2009 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5993290)
that is an excellent point

....opportunity costs don't show up in the box score....you see poor running stats and assume there were no holes, but in the case of Blind Larry Johnson...

not having watched it closely i'll take your more hopeful (than mine) assessment of richardson's performance...

BLJ
ROFL

blues singer

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-23-2009 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5995745)
Did you ever see the sack last year Adalius Thomas had in NY when he sacked Favre AND the running back trying to block him? He just threw both of them to the ground. Favre had a terrified look on his face. Hilarious.
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LMAO That's awesome.

Hammock Parties 08-23-2009 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon (Post 5995386)
Well this first sentence doesn't make any sense. Pioli decided to get Cassel because he saw that he could make the best of a bad situation?

Sure. The Patriots had protection problems last year. Cassel frequently had to run.

I am sure the fact that Cassel can make a play when things break down factored into Pioli's decision.


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