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Cave Johnson 09-04-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 9937990)
I said "some money". I didn't that that implied a giant cash settlement to most people.
Family members of inmates that commit suicide to get payments sometimes. Not sure why you're acting like this is outlandish.

It's outlandish because of the outrageous nature of Castro's crimes. A life has to be worth something (in the eyes of a jury) in order to find significant damages.

Did Jeffrey Dahmer's parents sue when he was shanked in prison?

blaise 09-04-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 9938062)
It's outlandish because of the outrageous nature of Castro's crimes. A life has to be worth something (in the eyes of a jury) in order to find significant damages.

Did Jeffrey Dahmer's parents sue when he was shanked in prison?

The idea that his family could get some money from the prison for this isn't outlandish. They may not be motivated to do anything, but if they feel like it they could drum up some sob story about how he told them he intended to find a purpose in prison or some nonsense.

King_Chief_Fan 09-04-2013 03:12 PM

There was no fixing this guy.......he fixed himself and saved taxpayers a little money in the process

Cave Johnson 09-04-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 9938087)
The idea that his family could get some money from the prison for this isn't outlandish. They may not be motivated to do anything, but if they feel like it they could drum up some sob story about how he told them he intended to find a purpose in prison or some nonsense.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. My position is the meager settlement won't be viewed by the family as worth the public backlash.

patteeu 09-04-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 9938062)
It's outlandish because of the outrageous nature of Castro's crimes. A life has to be worth something (in the eyes of a jury) in order to find significant damages.

Did Jeffrey Dahmer's parents sue when he was shanked in prison?

He wasn't shanked, he was bludgeoned.

2bikemike 09-04-2013 04:17 PM

I just wish several more "Life Sentence" folks would follow suit. Where are all the copy cats?

mlyonsd 09-04-2013 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 9938228)
I just wish several more "Life Sentence" folks would follow suit. Where are all the copy cats?

Because they're pussies and proof the idea living the rest of your life in prison is worse than being executed is a laughable ruse invented by those that are against capital punishment.

2bikemike 09-04-2013 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 9938233)
Because they're pussies and proof the idea living the rest of your life in prison is worse than being executed is a laughable ruse invented by those that are against capital punishment.

Personally I think a Life Sentences in Prison should be about 1 year long.

You get 1 appeal and then your fried. Think of all the money that could be saved housing and caring for prisoners.

planetdoc 09-04-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 9938767)
Personally I think a Life Sentences in Prison should be about 1 year long.

You get 1 appeal and then your fried.

That would be a gross miscariage of justice for the innocents who have been wrongfully convicted. Those individuals should be given every oppurtunity to prove their innocence regardless of time and expense. I am sure you would feel the same way if you were convicted of a crime that you were innocent of.

innocenceproject.org/know

-There have been 311 post-conviction DNA exonerations in United States history.

-Eighteen people had been sentenced to death before DNA proved their innocence and led to their release.

-The average sentence served by DNA exonerees has been 13.6 years.

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 9938767)
Think of all the money that could be saved housing and caring for prisoners.

The government can always print more money. The dollar is a fiat currency afterall. They cant, however, bring back an innocent person from the dead that they have killed. There may have been some innocent people wronfully executed.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution#United_States


The burden of proof in a criminal case is high, "beyond the shadow of doubt"...for the very reason not to wrongfully convict innocent people. Those people should be given every oppurtunity to remove doubts (even post conviction) regarding their guilt or innocence. That would truly be justice.

2bikemike 09-04-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 9938880)
That would be a gross miscariage of justice for the innocents who have been wrongfully convicted. Those individuals should be given every oppurtunity to prove their innocence regardless of time and expense. I am sure you would feel the same way if you were convicted of a crime that you were innocent of.

innocenceproject.org/know

-There have been 311 post-conviction DNA exonerations in United States history.

-Eighteen people had been sentenced to death before DNA proved their innocence and led to their release.

-The average sentence served by DNA exonerees has been 13.6 years.



The government can always print more money. The dollar is a fiat currency afterall. They cant, however, bring back an innocent person from the dead that they have killed. There may have been some innocent people wronfully executed.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution#United_States


The burden of proof in a criminal case is high, "beyond the shadow of doubt"...for the very reason not to wrongfully convict innocent people. Those people should be given every oppurtunity to remove doubts (even post conviction) regarding their guilt or innocence. That would truly be justice.

I find it more of a Gross Miscarriage of Justice to take care of a worthless POS Like Castro or Manson for an extended period of time. Will there be mistakes of course but that is I price I am willing to accept.

You want to ask how I would feel if I were wrongly convicted, well lets put the shoe on the other foot if it were my daughter that Castro abducted I would be miserable with him locked up. I would be hoping like hell that another prisoner would waste his ass in the most brutal fashion.

Saul Good 09-04-2013 09:33 PM

This sucks. I was really hoping to see him live through his entire sentence of life plus 100 years.

Ace Gunner 09-04-2013 09:39 PM

I say hook 'im up to ol' sparky anyway just to make suure

cosmo20002 09-04-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 9939136)
I find it more of a Gross Miscarriage of Justice to take care of a worthless POS Like Castro or Manson for an extended period of time. Will there be mistakes of course but that is I price I am willing to accept.

I get what you're saying, but that is basically the philosophy of history's brutal dictators. The principle of innocent until proven guilty is pretty much the opposite of what you are advocating.

2bikemike 09-04-2013 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 9939183)
I get what you're saying, but that is basically the philosophy of history's brutal dictators. The principle of innocent until proven guilty is pretty much the opposite of what you are advocating.

Not really the same as the brutal dictators. If they were tried and convicted in a court of law with the required 6 or 12 jurors. The brutal dictator would have just wasted them without the trial.

Mistakes are going to happen we're all human we're not perfect. There will be people locked up for life that may be wrongly convicted whether you execute them or not. Does that mean we should stop locking people up? Of course not.

WhiteWhale 09-05-2013 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 9939136)
I find it more of a Gross Miscarriage of Justice to take care of a worthless POS Like Castro or Manson for an extended period of time. Will there be mistakes of course but that is I price I am willing to accept.

You want to ask how I would feel if I were wrongly convicted, well lets put the shoe on the other foot if it were my daughter that Castro abducted I would be miserable with him locked up. I would be hoping like hell that another prisoner would waste his ass in the most brutal fashion.

You're cool with mistakes... even if one of your innocent family members is wrongly killed? Awesome. Why don't we just execute everyone for even the smallest crime? Or how about we start executing people who MIGHT commit a crime in the future?

You gonna use the whole 'gotta break eggs to make omelettes" analogy when that happens?

Or it's only cool so long as the people you don't know are wrongly killed?

Your emotional appeal carries little weight because it can easily be turned around.

I have no sympathy for Castro. The girls were found in his basement. His guilt is not in question. That doesn't change the fact that the position of "I'd rather execute a thousand innocent men than let one walk free" is just about the dumbest thing I've read on the DC forum of Chiefs planet.


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