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acesn8s 10-01-2012 03:45 PM

What college coaches or NFL coaches are available for Chiefs HC job?
 
What college coaches are best suited to rebuild the Chiefs? They must bring OC and DC, hire position coaches and game plan (and all other head coach responsibilities).

Are there any NFL coaches worth pursuing?

I don't think the names tossed around three years ago are worthy now. The NFL is changing and new blood is needed. Who is the best guy out there that hasn't been around since the 1990s.

zigbazah 10-01-2012 03:49 PM

Doesn't matter as long as Helen Keller is your QB.

suds79 10-01-2012 03:50 PM

We could interview Kirk Ferentz :p:p
- Scott Pioli

CoMoChief 10-01-2012 03:55 PM

Joe Paterno

Saulbadguy 10-01-2012 03:56 PM

Steve Sarkisian.

Sorry Flopnuts.

DaneMcCloud 10-01-2012 03:57 PM

If you're looking at the college ranks (which I would not), Chip Kelly.

Quesadilla Joe 10-01-2012 03:57 PM

Mike McCoy is kind of part of the tree after being hired by McDaniels.

007 10-01-2012 04:00 PM

I don't even want to talk about coaches until we have a new GM

Titty Meat 10-01-2012 04:00 PM

Bill Snyder

BryanBusby 10-01-2012 04:01 PM

I hear Charlie Weis is always willing to relocate and it won't cost much to move his fat ass.

acesn8s 10-01-2012 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8967703)
I don't even want to talk about coaches until we have a new GM

Ok, what athletic directors are available for the GM job? :p

Saulbadguy 10-01-2012 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 8967705)
Bill Snyder

Maybe we could Charlie Weis and his Super Bowl caliber staff to come.

Titty Meat 10-01-2012 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8967709)
Maybe we could Charlie Weis and his Super Bowl caliber staff to come.

Bo Pelini as the DC

acesn8s 10-01-2012 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 8967705)
Bill Snyder

Won't do it. He didn't want to go back to K-State. He wanted to stay retired.

Saulbadguy 10-01-2012 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 8967713)
Bo Pelini as the DC

Ron Prince, quality control

acesn8s 10-01-2012 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8967709)
Maybe we could Charlie Weis and his Super Bowl caliber staff to come.

As OC?

DJ's left nut 10-01-2012 04:13 PM

Perry Fewell is the best candidate available.

Aggressive 4-3 style, attacking defense. He even did a decent job when he was the interim head coach with Buffalo a few years ago.

We'd have to fire Pioli because he would never bring in a 4-3 coach, but firing Pioli should be a given anyway.

The answer is Perry Fewell.

htismaqe 10-01-2012 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zigbazah (Post 8967671)
Doesn't matter as long as Helen Keller is your QB.

Doesn't matter as long as your GM is Stevie Wonder, either.

BryanBusby 10-01-2012 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8967734)
Perry Fewell is the best candidate available.

Aggressive 4-3 style, attacking defense. He even did a decent job when he was the interim head coach with Buffalo a few years ago.

We'd have to fire Pioli because he would never bring in a 4-3 coach, but firing Pioli should be a given anyway.

The answer is Perry Fewell.

I'm not a fan of moving to the 4-3 by this point.

Quesadilla Joe 10-01-2012 04:17 PM

Spags had that same reputation when he left the Giants and he didn't do a great job without Strahan, Tuck, and Osi in STL.

Titty Meat 10-01-2012 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8967734)
Perry Fewell is the best candidate available.

Aggressive 4-3 style, attacking defense. He even did a decent job when he was the interim head coach with Buffalo a few years ago.

We'd have to fire Pioli because he would never bring in a 4-3 coach, but firing Pioli should be a given anyway.

The answer is Perry Fewell.

Marc Ross would hire him :)

DeezNutz 10-01-2012 04:17 PM

If Clark grows a pair...now don't kill me...I think that Cowher is in play, with a strong player personnel hire.

If we're in position to draft Smith or Barkley, I believe The Chin would strongly consider.

DaneMcCloud 10-01-2012 04:18 PM

If the San Diego defense continues to improve, John Pagano is going to appear on many team's radar.

Ray Horton's another guy worth considering.

Quesadilla Joe 10-01-2012 04:18 PM

No love for Jay Gruden?

RealSNR 10-01-2012 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 8967745)
Marc Ross would hire him :)

Giants way

DeezNutz 10-01-2012 04:19 PM

What we know for sure is that it would be RAC's opposite. Disciplinarian. Not a "player's coach."

RealSNR 10-01-2012 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8967751)
No love for Jay Gruden?

You act surprised

acesn8s 10-01-2012 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8967746)
If Clark grows a pair...now don't kill me...I think that Cowher is in play, with a strong player personnel hire.

If we're in position to draft Smith or Barkley, I believe The Chin would strongly consider.

Cowher has been out of the league for too long. I doubt if he can relate to the younger players.

Rausch 10-01-2012 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8967741)
I'm not a fan of moving to the 4-3 by this point.

Me neither.

I'd prefer to lure a more competent 3-4 guy here...

Rausch 10-01-2012 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acesn8s (Post 8967759)
Cowher has been out of the league for too long. I doubt if he can relate to the younger players.

I doubt that's going to be a problem...

kstater 10-01-2012 04:22 PM

OBz

The Bad Guy 10-01-2012 04:23 PM

I disagree about Fewell. I think Jay Gruden is the best out there right now.

Titty Meat 10-01-2012 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8967746)
If Clark grows a pair...now don't kill me...I think that Cowher is in play, with a strong player personnel hire.

If we're in position to draft Smith or Barkley, I believe The Chin would strongly consider.

I suggested that in another thread. Whaley/Cowher with a new QB will fill the stadium.

R8RFAN 10-01-2012 04:24 PM

Jim Fassel, Dennis Green, Bill Cowher, Butch Davis

BryanBusby 10-01-2012 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8967770)
I think Jay Gruden is the best out there right now.

He's not even the best option from his own team.

acesn8s 10-01-2012 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8967770)
I disagree about Fewell. I think Jay Gruden is the best out there right now.

He is a guy to bring in a QB. But....

Rausch 10-01-2012 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8967773)
Jim Fassel, Dennis Green, Bill Cowher, Butch Davis

Pass on Green and Fassel...

RunKC 10-01-2012 04:26 PM

David Shaw

bowener 10-01-2012 04:29 PM

Is Rob Ryan uncool now?
I kind of want a coach that looks like he might ****ing kill you if you underperform.

The Bad Guy 10-01-2012 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8967774)
He's not even the best option from his own team.

I think he's a real brilliant offensive mind. Something about Zimmer must rub people the wrong way.

R8RFAN 10-01-2012 04:33 PM

Rex Ryan will be available soon

BryanBusby 10-01-2012 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8967821)
Something about Zimmer must rub people the wrong way.

He's too damn honest.

I wouldn't read too much into Jay Gruden, as you'll have a really good offense when you have a WR that's on his way to overshadowing Calvin Johnson.

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8967823)
Rex Ryan will be available soon

Yeah I wouldn't count on it.

acesn8s 10-01-2012 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8967773)
Jim Fassel, Dennis Green, Bill Cowher, Butch Davis

Has beens

acesn8s 10-01-2012 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8967823)
Rex Ryan will be available soon

Bring either Ryan will be an improvement but are they SB worthy?

bevischief 10-01-2012 04:41 PM

Fresh blood people who are hungry for both GM and coach.

Mojo Jojo 10-01-2012 04:43 PM

Until Scott is gone what "real" coach would want to come to KC? Even players don't want to be here.

R8RFAN 10-01-2012 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 8967848)
Until Scott is gone what "real" coach would want to come to KC? Even players don't want to be here.

I don't believe that... Yall need to go Young with a coach

htismaqe 10-01-2012 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8967874)
I don't believe that... Yall need to go Young with a coach

Of course you want to keep Pioli in KC.

With him here, the Raiders actually have competition for title of "worst team in the West".

Saccopoo 10-01-2012 05:04 PM

Marc Ross for GM.
- Current Director of Scouting for NY Giants. 39 years old. Princeton graduate who set numerous records as a wide receiver.

Eliot Wolf for Director of Scouting/Personnel.
- Current Director of Pro Personnel for Green Bay Packers. Youngest Dir of Pro in NFL.

Dana Holgorsen for Head Coach.
- Current Head Coach of the West Virginia Mountaineers. One of, if not the, most innovative offensive minds in football at any level. Former Oklahoma State offensive coordinator, who took the Cowboys from #67 to #1 in offense in a single season.

Dick Bumpas for Defensive Coordinator
- Current Defensive Coordinator for the TCU Hornfrogs since 2005 after they finished #99 in total defense in 2004. In 2008, 2009 and 2010, the Hornfrogs were the #1 Defense in college football.

You want the best of the best, the most innovative, forward thinking minds in football right now? There you go.

DaneMcCloud 10-01-2012 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8967937)
Marc Ross for GM.
- Current Director of Scouting for NY Giants. 39 years old.

Eliot Wolf for Director of Scouting/Personnel.
- Current Director of Pro Personnel for Green Bay Packers. Youngest Dir of Pro in NFL.

Dana Holgorsen for Head Coach.
- Current Head Coach of the West Virginia Mountaineers. One of the most, if not the, innovative offensive minds in football at any level. Former Oklahoma State offensive coordinator, who took the Cowboys from #67 to #1 in offense in a single season.

Dick Bumpas for Defensive Coordinator
- Current Defensive Coordinator for the TCU Hornfrogs since 2005 after they finished #99 in total defense in 2004. In 2008, 2009 and 2010, the Hornfrogs have been the #1 Defense in college football.

You want the best of the best, the most innovative minds in football right now? There you go.

No ****ing way would I hire Holgersen. And if you're looking at college defensive coordinators (which I would not), I'd hire Manny Diaz before anyone else.

Eliot Wolf wouldn't make a lateral move, so that's just silly. As far as Ross is concerned, my biggest fear with him would be head coaching hire. I don't care for Fewell and would puke if he hired Spagnoulo.

AustinChief 10-01-2012 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8967937)
Marc Ross for GM.
- Current Director of Scouting for NY Giants. 39 years old. Princeton graduate who set numerous records as a wide receiver.

Eliot Wolf for Director of Scouting/Personnel.
- Current Director of Pro Personnel for Green Bay Packers. Youngest Dir of Pro in NFL.

Dana Holgorsen for Head Coach.
- Current Head Coach of the West Virginia Mountaineers. One of, if not the, most innovative offensive minds in football at any level. Former Oklahoma State offensive coordinator, who took the Cowboys from #67 to #1 in offense in a single season.

Dick Bumpas for Defensive Coordinator
- Current Defensive Coordinator for the TCU Hornfrogs since 2005 after they finished #99 in total defense in 2004. In 2008, 2009 and 2010, the Hornfrogs were the #1 Defense in college football.

You want the best of the best, the most innovative, forward thinking minds in football right now? There you go.

I'd be fine with this. (I'd also be fine with Diaz instead of Bumpas, but Bumpas may actually be better right now, so no complaints there)

My obscure pick for coach... Northwestern's Pat Fitzgerald.

CaliforniaChief 10-01-2012 05:16 PM

On Sunday night, Cris Colinsworth made an interesting point about who makes good head coaches. Pointing at John Harbaugh, he mentioned that hiring a ST coach makes sense because they have a broader grasp on the talent on the roster. I would add to that the fact that it seems like hiring a "defensive" coach or "offensive" coach just brings a lack of balance.

That said, who are some of the bright ST coaches out there? DeCamellis?

I'll say this about the Chin: He's not my favorite, but if anyone understands the core aspects of "The Chiefs Way" (dominant at Arrowhead, intimidating defense), it's him.

I still like Rob Ryan, Jay Gruden, and David Shaw. Other than that, I'm open.

R8RFAN 10-01-2012 05:19 PM

What about Shottenheimers boy?

chiefzilla1501 10-01-2012 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8967937)
Marc Ross for GM.
- Current Director of Scouting for NY Giants. 39 years old. Princeton graduate who set numerous records as a wide receiver.

Eliot Wolf for Director of Scouting/Personnel.
- Current Director of Pro Personnel for Green Bay Packers. Youngest Dir of Pro in NFL.

Dana Holgorsen for Head Coach.
- Current Head Coach of the West Virginia Mountaineers. One of, if not the, most innovative offensive minds in football at any level. Former Oklahoma State offensive coordinator, who took the Cowboys from #67 to #1 in offense in a single season.

Dick Bumpas for Defensive Coordinator
- Current Defensive Coordinator for the TCU Hornfrogs since 2005 after they finished #99 in total defense in 2004. In 2008, 2009 and 2010, the Hornfrogs were the #1 Defense in college football.

You want the best of the best, the most innovative, forward thinking minds in football right now? There you go.

You know what your post reminded me about?

The Chiefs still don't have a freaking College Scouting Director to replace Emery.

This organization is a disaster zone. You can't help but wonder if that spot's vacant because nobody wants it.

BryanBusby 10-01-2012 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8967983)
What about Shottenheimers boy?

lol no

DeezNutz 10-01-2012 05:19 PM

I tossed out The Chin's name because Clark is going to want to get a "known commodity" after the epic fail of Pioli.

Saccopoo 10-01-2012 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8967984)
You know what your post reminded me about?

The Chiefs still don't have a freaking College Scouting Director to replace Emery.

This organization is a disaster zone. You can't help but wonder if that spot's vacant because nobody wants it.

I know. That's ****ing tragic. Embarrassing. Apparently no one wants to work with Pioli, and as we saw in 2009, Pioli doesn't know jack shit about the college game anyway - when it was supposedly his specialty in New England.

chiefzilla1501 10-01-2012 05:24 PM

Sometimes we pay too much attention to X's and O's. Really what you're looking for are guys who know how to motivate a team. Rex Ryan is a classic example. Unbelievable with X's and O's. Terrible motivator. Mike McCarthy and John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin -- pretty average track records before head coaching. They're all terrific coaches.

acesn8s 10-01-2012 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8967943)
No ****ing way would I hire Holgersen. And if you're looking at college defensive coordinators (which I would not), I'd hire Manny Diaz before anyone else.

Eliot Wolf wouldn't make a lateral move, so that's just silly. As far as Ross is concerned, my biggest fear with him would be head coaching hire. I don't care for Fewell and would puke if he hired Spagnoulo.

If you don't like the choices then they must be the right ones.

R8RFAN 10-01-2012 05:27 PM

Lane Kiffen

DaneMcCloud 10-01-2012 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8967996)
Sometimes we pay too much attention to X's and O's. Really what you're looking for are guys who know how to motivate a team. Rex Ryan is a classic example. Unbelievable with X's and O's. Terrible motivator. Mike McCarthy and John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin -- pretty average track records before head coaching. They're all terrific coaches.

I don't Tomlin is terrific, at all. Most Steelers fans would agree.

McCarthy's done it all, from college to positional coaching to coordinator to head coach. His record was certainly better than "average". The Harbaughs come from a coaching lineage and I don't think anything about Jim or John screams "average".

R8RFAN 10-01-2012 05:28 PM

Tom Cable

chiefzilla1501 10-01-2012 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 8967994)
I know. That's ****ing tragic. Embarrassing. Apparently no one wants to work with Pioli, and as we saw in 2009, Pioli doesn't know jack shit about the college game anyway - when it was supposedly his specialty in New England.

Well, that shouldn't be his job. A guy like Emery and Dimitroff is really, really important. Pioli doesn't have time to individually scout players. He needs a guy underneath him to do all the in-depth scouting and give Pioli the sound bytes. This is a pretty big miss not to have a guy like Emery and you can't help but wonder why it's vacant.

acesn8s 10-01-2012 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8968001)
Lane Kiffen

NO

BryanBusby 10-01-2012 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8968005)
Tom Cable

I'd hire him just to sucker punch Cassel.

RealSNR 10-01-2012 05:32 PM

Who are some GM candidates who have been involved in ALL aspects of the scouting process at one point? I'd like to see a guy in here who has coached at the collegiate level, done a bit of grunt scout work in the pros, has been in environments where he's seen/gotten tips on contract negotiation, and who has been in a variety of different environments in a variety of different systems.

In other words, the polar opposite of Pioli.

R8RFAN 10-01-2012 05:33 PM

Tom Cable will bring toughness

How bout Hue Jackson

DaWolf 10-01-2012 05:42 PM

Is there a third Harbaugh brother?

RealSNR 10-01-2012 05:42 PM

You guys will probably hate these suggestions, but what about some dark horse guys who have bounced around the league as head coaches formerly, but just kind of got bad breaks wherever they went? There was this huge push to bring in Al Saunders after Vermeil, but it wasn't like Al's former HC experience was worth an ounce of squirrel shit. What about some of these guys as our next HC?

Dom Capers
Mike Tice
Cam Cameron
Perry Fewell
Jim Haslett
Mike Nolan

Just some ideas people aren't considering. I'm not married to any of them.

Titty Meat 10-01-2012 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8968033)
You guys will probably hate these suggestions, but what about some dark horse guys who have bounced around the league as head coaches formerly, but just kind of got bad breaks wherever they went? There was this huge push to bring in Al Saunders after Vermeil, but it wasn't like Al's former HC experience was worth an ounce of squirrel shit. What about some of these guys as our next HC?

Dom Capers
Mike Tice
Cam Cameron
Perry Fewell
Jim Haslett
Mike Nolan

Just some ideas people aren't considering. I'm not married to any of them.

No thanks

chiefzilla1501 10-01-2012 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8968002)
I don't Tomlin is terrific, at all. Most Steelers fans would agree.

McCarthy's done it all, from college to positional coaching to coordinator to head coach. His record was certainly better than "average". The Harbaughs come from a coaching lineage and I don't think anything about Jim or John screams "average".

I know what you're saying. My point is that we often obsess about coaches/coordinators from Super Bowl teams or dynasties, or retreads. Harbaugh was a special teams coach. McCarthy was coordinator for two pretty average offenses in SF/New Orleans. You don't have to coach an all-world offense or defense to be a very good head coach. These days, I think it's a hell of a lot more about your ability to motivate, teach, and discipline players than it is about X's and O's.

R8RFAN 10-01-2012 05:45 PM

Jesus Christ?

DaneMcCloud 10-01-2012 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8968033)
You guys will probably hate these suggestions, but what about some dark horse guys who have bounced around the league as head coaches formerly, but just kind of got bad breaks wherever they went? There was this huge push to bring in Al Saunders after Vermeil, but it wasn't like Al's former HC experience was worth an ounce of squirrel shit. What about some of these guys as our next HC?

Dom Capers
Mike Tice
Cam Cameron
Perry Fewell
Jim Haslett
Mike Nolan

Just some ideas people aren't considering. I'm not married to any of them.

Personally, I don't like any of them. Dom Capers has had multiple chances and failed. Tice is a moron. Cam Cameron not only failed in Miami (1-15) he failed at Indiana.

Haslett's a nut, Nolan is incapable of running a team, which leaves Fewell. Quite honestly, there's nothing on his resume that says "Head Coach" to me.

Titty Meat 10-01-2012 05:57 PM

GM Marc Ross

HC- Rob Chudzinski or Mike McCoy

OC/O-line coach- Bill Callahan

DC- Todd Bowles

Quesadilla Joe 10-01-2012 05:57 PM

Del Rio would be a good HC for you guys. He has always let his coordinators call their own plays and the players respect him because he played in the league.

Rausch 10-01-2012 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8968086)
Del Rio would be a good HC for you guys. He has always let his coordinators call their own plays and the players respect him because he played in the league.

And if a player holds out he'll just bodyslam them in the parking lot...

R8RFAN 10-01-2012 06:27 PM

Del Rio would be a good choice...

RealSNR 10-01-2012 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8968086)
Del Rio would be a good HC for you guys. He has always let his coordinators call their own plays and the players respect him because he played in the league.

I hope you die

BryanBusby 10-01-2012 06:30 PM

http://i.imgur.com/gVFga.jpg

DaneMcCloud 10-01-2012 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 8968085)
GM Marc Ross

HC- Rob Chudzinski or Mike McCoy

OC/O-line coach- Bill Callahan

DC- Todd Bowles

No way on Chud.


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