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DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:22 PM

Best All Time AFC West RB's
 
Same as before - hopefully a poll this time ***To be clear it is the one best player per team***

DEN:
Terrel Davis
Floyd Little
Bobby Humphrey
Sammy Winder
Clinton Portis

KC:
Christian Okoye
Jamaal Charles
Priest Holmes
Ed Podolak
Larry Johnson

SD:
LaDainian Tomlinson
Natrone Means
Chuck Muncie

OAK:
Bo Jackson
Marcus Allen
Napoleon Kauffman

Buck 09-07-2013 04:25 PM

LT

/thread

vailpass 09-07-2013 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9947778)
LT

/thread

Yeah, best Bolt back. He killed it for me in fantasy for years.

Kaepernick 09-07-2013 04:29 PM

Did Portis ever do anything after being traded to Washington?

Denver was mostly system. Yes, Davis was real, but it seemed their backs were just plug-and-play. I give the O-line the credit in Denver.

Buck 09-07-2013 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9947783)
Yeah, best Bolt back. He killed it for me in fantasy for years.

I think only Marcus Allen is in the same class as him, but LT is better.

Kaepernick 09-07-2013 04:30 PM

Who knows how many yards Marcus Allen would have if that jackass Al Davis hadn't benched him for 2 years during the PRIME of his career. What a jackass.

Never mind he spent 2 years blocking for Bo Jackson.

Allen could have been monstrous.

vailpass 09-07-2013 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9947786)
Did Portis ever do anything after being traded to Washington?

Denver was mostly system. Yes, Davis was real, but it seemed their backs were just plug-and-play. I give the O-line the credit in Denver.

Agreed but as you say TD was the real deal. Loved to watch him run.

vailpass 09-07-2013 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9947789)
I think only Marcus Allen is in the same class as him, but LT is better.

Bo was a bad ass. Al Davis ****ed Marcus Allen over so bad he should have been arrested for it.

Buck 09-07-2013 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9947802)
Bo was a bad ass. Al Davis ****ed Marcus Allen over so bad he should have been arrested for it.

Yeah, just thinking of longevity too...only played 38 games in his career.

Also why I don't consider TD elite, just really ****ing good (for a 3 or 4 year period).

ThaVirus 09-07-2013 04:34 PM

Its hard to decide where Bo Jackson should go..

vailpass 09-07-2013 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9947805)
Yeah, just thinking of longevity too...only played 38 games in his career.

Also why I don't consider TD elite, just really ****ing good (for a 3 or 4 year period).

Agreed, TD had a short career but what a run he had...LT did it for a long time.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9947808)
Its hard to decide where Bo Jackson should go..

Agreed but he was a beast while he played

vailpass 09-07-2013 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9947808)
Its hard to decide where Bo Jackson should go..

A career cut short by injury, sucks. Hate the fade but loved to watch him play.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9947811)
Agreed, TD had a short career but what a run he had...LT did it for a long time.


Makes you wonder what kind of damage he could have done if he had stayed around longer

Kaepernick 09-07-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9947805)
Yeah, just thinking of longevity too...only played 38 games in his career.

Also why I don't consider TD elite, just really ****ing good (for a 3 or 4 year period).

That is the thing... In the Denver rushing system, great rushers became unworldly demi-gods. None of them were as good as their numbers made them look. They would be traded off and never see a fraction of their old performance. I know TD got hurt, but still. I think the Denver RBs benefited huge from that offensive line and having the threat of Elway's passing and scrambling.

vailpass 09-07-2013 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9947819)
Makes you wonder what kind of damage he could have done if he had stayed around longer

It took me a while to quit thinking about that. Elway had retired so the O was different but who knows? I'm glad for what I got.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9947820)
That is the thing... In the Denver rushing system, great rushers became unworldly demi-gods. None of them were as good as their numbers made them look. They would be traded off and never see a fraction of their old performance. I know TD got hurt, but still. I think the Denver RBs benefited huge from that offensive line and having the threat of Elway's passing and scrambling.

Couldn't the same thing be said about Roger Craig and Montana/Rice/Taylor?

Rain Man 09-07-2013 04:43 PM

How many are we supposed to vote for? Is it one per team? Top three? I can't vote until I understand the instructions.

Buck 09-07-2013 04:44 PM

I'm pretty sure Marcus Allen and LT are the only two first ballot HOF'ers on here.

Kaepernick 09-07-2013 04:45 PM

It has to be Tomlinson going away. Others did as much for short periods. Okoye was bruising and I always loved watching Priest Holmes and Terrell Davis. But nobody sustained it like LaDanian Tomlinson. Allen is the only one who could have topped him if he hadn't been benched for 2 years.

Other than that, I PUKE on the jackass that first called LaDanian Tomlinson LT.

LT is was and always will be Lawrence Taylor, first and foremost. There is no other LT but Lawrence Taylor.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9947830)
How many are we supposed to vote for? Is it one per team? Top three? I can't vote until I understand the instructions.

One per team - I am obviously not the poll god you are :)

Phobia 09-07-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9947808)
Its hard to decide where Bo Jackson should go..

Guess you've never played Techmo Bowl then. Get a clue. Your choice...

vailpass 09-07-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9947832)
It has to be Tomlinson going away. Others did as much for short periods. Okoye was bruising and I always loved watching Priest Holmes and Terrell Davis. But nobody sustained it like LaDanian Tomlinson. Allen is the only one who could have topped him if he hadn't been benched for 2 years.

Other than that, I PUKE on the jackass that first called LaDanian Tomlinson LT.

LT is was and always will be Lawrence Taylor, first and foremost. There is no other LT but Lawrence Taylor.

Yes but when used in context it's a lot easier to abbreviate.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9947831)
I'm pretty sure Marcus Allen and LT are the only two first ballot HOF'ers on here.

It is not just about HOF status or potential

Buck 09-07-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9947832)
It has to be Tomlinson going away. Others did as much for short periods. Okoye was bruising and I always loved watching Priest Holmes and Terrell Davis. But nobody sustained it like LaDanian Tomlinson. Allen is the only one who could have topped him if he hadn't been benched for 2 years.

Other than that, I PUKE on the jackass that first called LaDanian Tomlinson LT.

LT is was and always will be Lawrence Taylor, first and foremost. There is no other LT but Lawrence Taylor.

YEAH PEOPLE CANT HAVE THE SAME NICKNAMES OR JUST USE THEIR INITIALS AS NICKNAMES. DOWN WITH LdT!

Rain Man 09-07-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9947835)
One per team - I am obviously not the poll god you are :)

Ah. Gotcha. Thanks.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9947820)
That is the thing... In the Denver rushing system, great rushers became unworldly demi-gods. None of them were as good as their numbers made them look. They would be traded off and never see a fraction of their old performance. I know TD got hurt, but still. I think the Denver RBs benefited huge from that offensive line and having the threat of Elway's passing and scrambling.

Or Young/Watters/Rathman/Rice/Taylor?

Rain Man 09-07-2013 04:54 PM

Denver - Terrell Davis easy, despite the short career.

KC - I started to pick Priest, but all homer aside, it's hard to ignore 5.9 career yards per career. That's beyond amazing. I went with Charles.

Oakland - Marcus Allen. There is no second place.

SD - Everyone will vote for Tomlinson, and I can understand that, but the best running back suiting up for San Diego is James Brooks. That guy was amazing and never got the credit he deserved. He had a 4.7 ypc career average, though the majority of his career with with Cincinnati. He was a dangerous running back.

Buck 09-07-2013 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9947840)
It is not just about HOF status or potential

HOF status pretty much directly correlates with how great you played on the field.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9947858)
Denver - Terrell Davis easy, despite the short career.

KC - I started to pick Priest, but all homer aside, it's hard to ignore 5.9 career yards per career. That's beyond amazing. I went with Charles.

Oakland - Marcus Allen. There is no second place.

SD - Everyone will vote for Tomlinson, and I can understand that, but the best running back suiting up for San Diego is James Brooks. That guy was amazing and never got the credit he deserved. He had a 4.7 ypc career average, though the majority of his career with with Cincinnati. He was a dangerous running back.

Interesting - Never heard of him before

Buck 09-07-2013 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9947858)
Denver - Terrell Davis easy, despite the short career.

KC - I started to pick Priest, but all homer aside, it's hard to ignore 5.9 career yards per career. That's beyond amazing. I went with Charles.

Oakland - Marcus Allen. There is no second place.

SD - Everyone will vote for Tomlinson, and I can understand that, but the best running back suiting up for San Diego is James Brooks. That guy was amazing and never got the credit he deserved. He had a 4.7 ypc career average, though the majority of his career with with Cincinnati. He was a dangerous running back.

Sorry, but Brooks had 7 starts for San Diego in 3 years total, with about 1400 yards and 12 touchdowns. And he only played for SD during one of their glory years (1979-1981) (he was here 1981-1983).

He was really good with Cincinnati, but if you're saying he's better than Tomlinson you're high.

KCrockaholic 09-07-2013 04:57 PM

Priest was the man. But Jamaal Charles is a better player. And 3 years from now there will be no question.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9947860)
HOF status pretty much directly correlates with how great you played on the field.

True but there were/are players that had short careers (Terrel Davis) were great individual performers ( Larry Johnson) or played on completely lousy teams (Steve Deberg) that will never sniff the HOF

Prison Bitch 09-07-2013 05:00 PM

Lt, then Terrell Davis priest and Allen in no order

Buck 09-07-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9947876)
True but there were/are players that had short careers (Terrel Davis) were great individual performers ( Larry Johnson) or played on completely lousy teams (Steve Deberg) that will never sniff the HOF

Ok, I didn't see what this was based on in the OP, I am biased, but I am also right, nobody else except Allen touches LT on this list.

Priest, Bo, TD, shit probably everyone on this list had a season or two where they were killer, but LT was solid from 2001 - 2008 (8 years), and he was the best RB in the league from 2003 - 2007 (5 years).

Rain Man 09-07-2013 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9947871)
Sorry, but Brooks had 7 starts for San Diego in 3 years total, with about 1400 yards and 12 touchdowns. And he only played for SD during one of their glory years (1979-1981) (he was here 1981-1983).

He was really good with Cincinnati, but if you're saying he's better than Tomlinson you're high.

Admittedly, he hit his stride in Cincy, but he was really good in San Diego as an RB and a KR. They ended up trading him to Cincinnati for Ponderous Pete Johnson, and I was amazed. Johnson was a big, slow running back who was no threat at all, and Brooks was scary with the ball in his hand. I acknowledge that Tomlinson has a much greater body of work with the Chargers, but Brooks scared me more when the ball was in his hands. For some reason Brooks never got the credit that he deserved in the NFL.

vailpass 09-07-2013 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9947886)
Ok, I didn't see what this was based on in the OP, I am biased, but I am also right, nobody else except Allen touches LT on this list.

Priest, Bo, TD, shit probably everyone on this list had a season or two where they were killer, but LT was solid from 2001 - 2008 (8 years), and he was the best RB in the league from 2003 - 2007 (5 years).

He was also the best at catching the ball and yac.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9947886)
Ok, I didn't see what this was based on in the OP, I am biased, but I am also right, nobody else except Allen touches LT on this list.

Priest, Bo, TD, shit probably everyone on this list had a season or two where they were killer, but LT was solid from 2001 - 2008 (8 years), and he was the best RB in the league from 2003 - 2007 (5 years).

Yeah I'm having a poll fail today - I need to rethink my question :LOL:

vailpass 09-07-2013 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9947897)
Yeah I'm having a poll fail today - I need to rethink my question :LOL:

There's a pill for that:D

Buck 09-07-2013 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9947895)
Admittedly, he hit his stride in Cincy, but he was really good in San Diego as an RB and a KR. They ended up trading him to Cincinnati for Ponderous Pete Johnson, and I was amazed. Johnson was a big, slow running back who was no threat at all, and Brooks was scary with the ball in his hand. I acknowledge that Tomlinson has a much greater body of work with the Chargers, but Brooks scared me more when the ball was in his hands. For some reason Brooks never got the credit that he deserved in the NFL.

I wasn't around back then, but from the research I've done, a lot of our players were known drug addicts and the owners traded a lot of players they found out were on drugs. I'm not sure about Brooks, but that may have been the case.

Pablo 09-07-2013 05:12 PM

Buck is right. LT is the class of that group. Then I went with Priest, but if Charles has another productive year he'll overtake him in my mind. TD was an easy choice, and Marcus Allen gets the nod for the Faid.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-07-2013 05:17 PM

All Time leader in YPC

Buck 09-07-2013 05:19 PM

Luckily for you guys, you have the best current RB by far, and the only current player in the AFC West who has a chance to top LT by the end of it all.

Rain Man 09-07-2013 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9947913)
I wasn't around back then, but from the research I've done, a lot of our players were known drug addicts and the owners traded a lot of players they found out were on drugs. I'm not sure about Brooks, but that may have been the case.

It's quite possible. I don't know if it was drugs or something else, but I know that Brooks has had life problems since retirement. I think it also came out that he was illiterate or something. Weird case. The trade seemed really dumb on San Diego's part at the time, and indeed it was a terrible trade for them.

Rausch 09-07-2013 05:22 PM

Odd that my favorites probably aren't the best (Bo, Okoye, Means...)

BlackHelicopters 09-07-2013 05:23 PM

In

ThaVirus 09-07-2013 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 9947948)
Luckily for you guys, you have the best current RB by far, and the only current player in the AFC West who has a chance to top LT by the end of it all.

JC doesn't score nearly enough TDs. He'd literally have to score 20+ TDs for the next 4 seasons to even be considered one of the best ever.

Rain Man 09-07-2013 05:29 PM

Here's an article about James Brooks and illiteracy. I'm not sure how you can go your whole life in modern America and not be able to read, but I guess it can happen. http://diverseeducation.com/article/10/#

vailpass 09-07-2013 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9947982)
Here's an article about James Brooks and illiteracy. I'm not sure how you can go your whole life in modern America and not be able to read, but I guess it can happen. http://diverseeducation.com/article/10/#

Had Brooks seen this article?

Consistent1 09-07-2013 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9947813)
Agreed but he was a beast while he played

How can you guys live in this bullshit Bo world and completely dismiss LJ? Dude had two monster years in a row. He had two years in a row that were crazy. Bo Jackson is some mythical character to some of you.

vailpass 09-07-2013 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 9948015)
How can you guys live in this bullshit Bo world and completely dismiss LJ? Dude had two monster years in a row. He had two years in a row that were crazy. Bo Jackson is some mythical character to some of you.

Bo was a multi sport stud and a good guy. LJ can't hold Bo's jock on or off the field.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 9948015)
How can you guys live in this bullshit Bo world and completely dismiss LJ? Dude had two monster years in a row. He had two years in a row that were crazy. Bo Jackson is some mythical character to some of you.

:spock: not discounting LJ at all - LJ didn't play for the Raiders tho

Rain Man 09-07-2013 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9947988)
Had Brooks seen this article?

It's hard to tell.

vailpass 09-07-2013 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9948060)
It's hard to tell.

:D

Consistent1 09-07-2013 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9948025)
Bo was a multi sport stud and a good guy. LJ can't hold Bo's jock on or off the field.

LJ lasted longer than the Godsend in the NFL. Jackson had crazy talent, and was most likelt juiced as hell on top of that. Fine. I liked Bosworth, but when Bo cracked him it was funny.

Some of these idiots would take Bo over Emmitt or Marshall Faulk.

vailpass 09-07-2013 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 9948074)
LJ lasted longer than the Godsend in the NFL. Jackson had crazy talent, and was most likelt juiced as hell on top of that. Fine. I liked Bosworth, but when Bo cracked him it was funny.

Some of these idiots would take Bo over Emmitt or Marshall Faulk.

Don't know that Bo was juiced, dude was just a freak. Like Herschel.Guy could hit a major league fast ball. Hard saying what he could have done.

Consistent1 09-07-2013 06:00 PM

Ricky Williams was a better football player than Bo when he had his head on straight. I was just pointing out that in two years LJ did more than Bo's whole career.

He should be on the list.

I take nothing away from Jackson. Wonderful athlete, but he turned out to be a "what coulda been".

listopencil 09-07-2013 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9947858)
Denver - Terrell Davis easy, despite the short career.

KC - I started to pick Priest, but all homer aside, it's hard to ignore 5.9 career yards per career. That's beyond amazing. I went with Charles.

Oakland - Marcus Allen. There is no second place.

SD - Everyone will vote for Tomlinson, and I can understand that, but the best running back suiting up for San Diego is James Brooks. That guy was amazing and never got the credit he deserved. He had a 4.7 ypc career average, though the majority of his career with with Cincinnati. He was a dangerous running back.

DEN: Floyd Little/TD

KC: Priest Holmes/Christian Okoye

OAK: Marcus Allen/Bo Jackson

SD: LdT/Natrone Means

Rain Man 09-07-2013 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 9948090)
Ricky Williams was a better football player than Bo when he had his head on straight. I was just pointing out that in two years LJ did more than Bo's whole career.

He should be on the list.

I take nothing away from Jackson. Wonderful athlete, but he turned out to be a "what coulda been".


Yeah, Jackson is way overrated. There have been lots of running backs who had a very good year or two. Jackson is just one of that bunch.

vailpass 09-07-2013 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 9948090)
Ricky Williams was a better football player than Bo when he had his head on straight. I was just pointing out that in two years LJ did more than Bo's whole career.

He should be on the list.

I take nothing away from Jackson. Wonderful athlete, but he turned out to be a "what coulda been".

Hear you.

Molitoth 09-07-2013 06:01 PM

LT and Marcus Allen got my vote. Nobody else.

BryanBusby 09-07-2013 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9947783)
Yeah, best Bolt back. He killed it for me in fantasy for years.

Best back ever in the division and it really isn't close.

vailpass 09-07-2013 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9948097)
LT and Marcus Allen got my vote. Nobody else.

No Priest? No TD?

Consistent1 09-07-2013 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9948085)
Don't know that Bo was juiced, dude was just a freak. Like Herschel.Guy could hit a major league fast ball. Hard saying what he could have done.

Have you ever really been around gyms?

And I didn't mean Williams should be in the poll, just screwed up typing. Davis and Holmes are my favorites for the poll. They were both crazy to watch.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9948101)
No Priest? No TD?

I think they missed the point of the poll - pick one player per team lol

vailpass 09-07-2013 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 9948102)
Have you ever really been around gyms?

And I didn't mean Williams should be in the poll, just screwed up typing. Davis and Holmes are my favorites for the poll. They were both crazy to watch.

I just go to LA Fitness, can't speak to any steroid experience. If you know something I don't I'm certainly willing to learn.

vailpass 09-07-2013 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9948103)
I think they missed the point of the poll - pick one player per team lol

Seems pretty clear.

GordonGekko 09-07-2013 07:45 PM

Good poll.

The obvious choice here is LT. Priest would be in the discussion if it wasn't for his injury.

Terrel Davis had a season or two where he looked absolutely unstoppable, but then again that Denver offensive line's blocking was *ahem*, legally questionable.

If I had to take one back, in their prime, for one game, I'd take Priest. The dude was magic. Career ending injuries are a damn shame (I know he came back but he was not the same).

Another thing I noticed from this poll, the Chiefs have probably the best collection of running backs in their history out of the teams in the AFC West.

If it wasn't for LT, San Diego would have a piss poor selection of RB's.

DJJasonp 09-07-2013 07:49 PM

I love marcus and all.....but sorry, bo Jackson was a freak.

Is this poll talent, or numbers?

cause if it's talent, there's no flippin' contest.....it's Bo....and by a long shot.

Kaepernick 09-07-2013 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 9947826)
Couldn't the same thing be said about Roger Craig and Montana/Rice/Taylor?

Craig, sure?

Rice. N f'ing way. Rice was Rice. He would have been the best in football if he caught from Marino or Fouts or Favre, whoever.

Rice was head and shoulders above any other WR in work ethic, study, and preparation. He was absolutely fanatical about his physical conditioning. If Randy Moss had 3/4 of Rice's fanaticism, he would have shattered every receiving record known to man.

Rice was a once in a lifetime outlier.

You could make a better point about Montana being a system QB. If he went to the Bills, would they have 4 Lombardis instead of the 49ers? I just don't know. I'm betting Montana alone wins 2 of those 4 super bowls for Buffalo though.

So even Joe was more than JUST a system QB. He had greatness in him. He was exceptional. Of course, he would not have gotten Bill Walsh's QB development in Buffalo, so there is genuine doubt if Montana would have attained his full potential under Levy.

I'm going to say "no", that Montana is neither a hall of famer or perennial All Pro if he was not developed and pushed by Bill Walsh. So you have a point there.

Nobody pushed Rice but Rice. It was all Poodle. He just kept going and going.

vailpass 09-07-2013 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9948450)
Craig, sure?

Rice. N f'ing way. Rice was Rice. He would have been the best in football if he caught from Marino or Fouts or Favre, whoever.

Rice was head and shoulders above any other WR in work ethic, study, and preparation. He was absolutely fanatical about his physical conditioning. If Randy Moss had 3/4 of Rice's fanaticism, he would have shattered every receiving record known to man.

Rice was a once in a lifetime outlier.

Agreed but what if Cassell was his QB?

LowExpectations 09-07-2013 07:54 PM

C'mon chiefs fans....36 votes for that turd Davis? He wouldn't have done anything without that blocking scheme they had.

vailpass 09-07-2013 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LowExpectations (Post 9948459)
C'mon chiefs fans....36 votes for that turd Davis? He wouldn't have done anything without that blocking scheme they had.

It's the best rb from each team.

Kaepernick 09-07-2013 08:00 PM

Montana went to KC and almost took you to a super bowl. I would say he was not just a system QB. System guys fall off a cliff when they leave there team. Montana didn't. He was just fragile.

GordonGekko 09-07-2013 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9948478)
Montana went to KC and almost took you to a super bowl. I would say he was not just a system QB. System guys fall off a cliff when they leave there team. Montana didn't. He was just fragile.

His stats were definitely nothing special while he was in KC. He was also the beneficiary of a very nasty defense.

But he was definitely a great post-season quarterback, and a sure fire winner.

DenverChief 09-07-2013 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9948450)
Craig, sure?

Rice. N f'ing way. Rice was Rice. He would have been the best in football if he caught from Marino or Fouts or Favre, whoever.

Rice was head and shoulders above any other WR in work ethic, study, and preparation. He was absolutely fanatical about his physical conditioning. If Randy Moss had 3/4 of Rice's fanaticism, he would have shattered every receiving record known to man.

Rice was a once in a lifetime outlier.

You could make a better point about Montana being a system QB. If he went to the Bills, would they have 4 Lombardis instead of the 49ers? I just don't know. I'm betting Montana alone wins 2 of those 4 super bowls for Buffalo though.

So even Joe was more than JUST a system QB. He had greatness in him. He was exceptional. Of course, he would not have gotten Bill Walsh's QB development in Buffalo, so there is genuine doubt if Montana would have attained his full potential under Levy.

I'm going to say "no", that Montana is neither a hall of famer or perennial All Pro if he was not developed and pushed by Bill Walsh. So you have a point there.

Nobody pushed Rice but Rice. It was all Poodle. He just kept going and going.

I'm not arguing about Rice - you said TD was the beneficiary of a system that Included Elway Rod Smith and Ed McCaffery. All I was saying was that you could say the same thing about Craig/Rathman/Watters etc etc

milkman 09-07-2013 08:39 PM

:shake:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Consistent1 (Post 9948074)
LJ lasted longer than the Godsend in the NFL. Jackson had crazy talent, and was most likelt juiced as hell on top of that. Fine. I liked Bosworth, but when Bo cracked him it was funny.

Some of these idiots would take Bo over Emmitt or Marshall Faulk.

If you told me I could the pick of any RB in history, including Emmit and Faulk, or I could have a healthy Bo for 5 or 6 years, I'd take Bo without a second of hesitation.

RNR 09-07-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9948604)
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If you told me I could the pick of any RB in history, including Emmit and Faulk, or I could have a healthy Bo for 5 or 6 years, I'd take Bo without a second of hesitation.

Agreed~

vailpass 09-07-2013 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9948604)
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If you told me I could the pick of any RB in history, including Emmit and Faulk, or I could have a healthy Bo for 5 or 6 years, I'd take Bo without a second of hesitation.

Bo was an absolute mf'er, could have set all the records.

crossbow 09-07-2013 10:14 PM

LT was elite among his piers.


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