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rabblerouser 01-14-2013 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 9316958)
Grbac. Youngsters here who were still sniveling rug rats don't remember the level of disdain on this and other BB boards aimed at Grbac. That was before Facebook or Twitter and other social media could whip up vitriol campaigns the way they are able to now.

If Grbac were in Cassel's shoes he would have been run out of town way before Cassel was. I think most people realize that Cassel was A problem and not THE problem as it seemed Grbac was. Matt has less talent but he's not the target of locker room smear campaigns the way Grbac was. In the end Grbac was run out of town by his teammates. Not his coach, GM, or the media and many fans that were very late to get on the Grbackup bandwagon.

So while it appears that Cassel is more hated, I think it was because it happened more quickly and intensely even though he has had more turmoil and change in his time here compared to Grbac, who had all of the pieces in place for him to succeed.

see, I just figured Vermeil came in and wanted 'his' guy at QB.

In fact, I remember Tony G publicly campaigning for Grbac to be retained by the new regime. I also remember Grbac throwing for like 4000 yards his last year here.

Wasn't it against Oakland that year that Grbac threw for like 500 yards and put up 31 pts...but they D gave up like 50 and we lost??

Most single game passing yards for a Chief, win or lose, I DO remember THAT.

Yeah, **** Matt Cassel.

Grbac>Cassel

The only way Cassel can throw for 500 yds is on Madden.

Rain Man 01-14-2013 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 9316844)
It seems as though maybe I am missing the point. Are we talking hate as in ability or overall why you dislike someone.

I do think Grbac was better than Cassel as far as Quarterbacking goes. But Grabac was a major Douche as a person.

I think Cassel is an ok person he just can't play Quarterback.
This is pretty much on target.

People didn't particularly want to dislike Cassel when he came here, but his on-field performance made it hard to do otherwise. Grbac was to a slight degree the opposite in that his on-field performance was better than his persona. However, his on-field performance was marked by mental lapses that kind of reflected his persona, so they melded together.

I don't "hate" either of them. They both came here and wanted to succeed. They just didn't, so we have to move on.

mikeyis4dcats. 01-14-2013 11:16 AM
Grbac was hated for who he wasn't.

Cassell is hated for who he is.

htismaqe 01-14-2013 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 9316958)
Grbac. Youngsters here who were still sniveling rug rats don't remember the level of disdain on this and other BB boards aimed at Grbac. That was before Facebook or Twitter and other social media could whip up vitriol campaigns the way they are able to now.

If Grbac were in Cassel's shoes he would have been run out of town way before Cassel was. I think most people realize that Cassel was A problem and not THE problem as it seemed Grbac was. Matt has less talent but he's not the target of locker room smear campaigns the way Grbac was. In the end Grbac was run out of town by his teammates. Not his coach, GM, or the media and many fans that were very late to get on the Grbackup bandwagon.

So while it appears that Cassel is more hated, I think it was because it happened more quickly and intensely even though he has had more turmoil and change in his time here compared to Grbac, who had all of the pieces in place for him to succeed.
:deevee:

He beat out Gannon and that's why you're bitter. You remember a lot more vitriol for Grbac than there actually was.

memyselfI 01-14-2013 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9317023)
see, I just figured Vermeil came in and wanted 'his' guy at QB.

In fact, I remember Tony G publicly campaigning for Grbac to be retained by the new regime. I also remember Grbac throwing for like 4000 yards his last year here.

Wasn't it against Oakland that year that Grbac threw for like 500 yards and put up 31 pts...but they D gave up like 50 and we lost??

Most single game passing yards for a Chief, win or lose, I DO remember THAT.

Yeah, **** Matt Cassel.

Grbac>Cassel

The only way Cassel can throw for 500 yds is on Madden.
If you listened to Tim Grunhard, Grbac was pretty disliked by the team. To the point that he was excluded from Christmas parties and other crap that you mostly associate with middle school aged girls.

memyselfI 01-14-2013 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9317069)
:deevee:

He beat out Gannon and that's why you're bitter. You remember a lot more vitriol for Grbac than there actually was.
I'm not bitter. I am sort of bummed I piled on the guy so badly because he was so pathetic. He was not a leader and many great athletes aren't. For all we know he was a great player but had some sort of social anxiety disorder or something. Who knows.

I feel the kind of cringy guilt about that I do when I think of how we treated 'reeruns' at school back in the day...:eek:

boogblaster 01-14-2013 11:21 AM
both were failures ... enough said .....

memyselfI 01-14-2013 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 9317068)
Grbac was hated for who he wasn't.

Cassell is hated for who he is.
I see it the exact opposite way. Cassell was supposed to be the next Tom Brady.

Grbac didn't have that pressure and actually had talent but was a douche.

mikeyis4dcats. 01-14-2013 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 9317084)
I see it the exact opposite way. Cassell was supposed to be the next Tom Brady.

Grbac didn't have that pressure and actually had talent but was a douche.
from a fan's perspective, he was hated because most wanted Gannon. He may have been a tool, but the fans don't care much about that.

Cassell is hated because he sucks.

rabblerouser 01-14-2013 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 9317070)
If you listened to Tim Grunhard, Grbac was pretty disliked by the team. To the point that he was excluded from Christmas parties and other crap that you mostly associate with middle school aged girls.
Yeah, well...

he was better at throwing a catchable football than Matt Cassel.

Maybe instead of acting like middle-schoole girls, Grunny and some if the boys shoulda took Grbac out, got him drunk, drove him out to the middle of nowhere...and threated to beat the shit out of him if he didn't fall into ****ing step.

You know...deal with it like MEN, instead of a bunch of crybaby suckasses??

No WONDER the '98 team tanked so bad; all these 'thugs' were really a bunch of little girls.

memyselfI 01-14-2013 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats. (Post 9317089)
from a fan's perspective, he was hated because most wanted Gannon. He may have been a tool, but the fans don't care much about that.

Cassell is hated because he sucks.
He was hated because he did not deliver when all of the pieces were in place to succeed.

Cassel is hated because he could not succeed in putting in place all the pieces.

Time will be more friendly to Matt Cassel. Things going wrong in this organization were above and beyond him.

memyselfI 01-14-2013 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9317090)
Yeah, well...

he was better at throwing a catchable football than Matt Cassel.

Maybe instead of acting like middle-schoole girls, Grunny and some if the boys shoulda took Grbac out, got him drunk, drove him out to the middle of nowhere...and threated to beat the shit out of him if he didn't fall into ****ing step.

You know...deal with it like MEN, instead of a bunch of crybaby suckasses??

No WONDER the '98 team tanked so bad; all these 'thugs' were really a bunch of little girls.
No disagreement here. But it just goes to show how much one person's attitude and/or lack of can impact an entire organization. Matt never lost his team and that is a tribute to him. He kept trying and working and his teammates saw that.

Grbackup was a quitter and his teammates saw that.

rabblerouser 01-14-2013 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 9317104)

Time will be more friendly to Matt Cassel. Things going wrong in this organization were above and beyond him.
Matt Cassel is emblematic of those 'things going wrong' within the organization.

memyselfI 01-14-2013 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9317116)
Matt Cassel is emblematic of those 'things going wrong' within the organization.
Again, no disagreement there. He's but the face of major dysfunction not the cause of major dysfunction. Unlike Grbac. IMO.

rabblerouser 01-14-2013 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 9317110)
No disagreement here. But it just goes to show how much one person's attitude and/or lack of can impact an entire organization. Matt never lost his team and that is a tribute to him. He kept trying and working and his teammates saw that.

Grbackup was a quitter and his teammates saw that.
Hey, I saw it, too - Grbac was a team cancer. Shit part was, he's 6'4", 215 lbs and could hit a 35-yd out on the move...and couldn't keep his head or his team together.

Matt Cassel didn't start in college...and was a failure in the NFL...sinply because he's not a very good QB.

Matt is probably a way better teammate than Grbac...but statistically, Grbac is obviously the way better QB. He had more physical talent, put up more numbers and probably had a way better win percentage.

If Cassel is a shit sandwich, then Grbac is a shit sandwich with cheese.


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