Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 9349220)

Hip pain? You're old as shit, bro.

Originally Posted by WV (Post 9349141)

I did Insanity as well and absolutely hated it. It is pure cardio where neither P90 program are. There is cardio incorporated into P90X and P90X2, but Insanity is nothing but cardio (unless you count pushups or Level 1 and 2 drills (basically burpees) as resistence training). Comparing the two is apples and oranges to me, so tougher is relative.

P90X is all about push ups and pull ups with some cardio exercises mixed in. You'll use dumbbells or bands in most other excercises (curls, shoulder presses, tricept extentions etc..) The cardio in P90X often incorporates some weight in the form of dumbbells or resistance bands too(think weighted lunge type stuff). The most pure cardio routines in P90X are Plyometrics (which will kick your ass for a good while) and Kenpo X (basically a kicking and punching cardio routine). You also have Yoga X mixed in. Yoga X is really tough for the first half, but just as you're ready to give up it gets better. My biggest beef with it was that it's 1.5 hours....too long some days and tough to fit in a schedule. Most P90X routines are about 1:15 including Ab Ripper X. You can modify the routines to fit your fitness level and will most likely have to unless you're in really good shape and used to the movements involved. There are also other discs that are less intense. You can sub Cardio X for Plyo if it really kicks your ass. X Stretch and Core synergistics are mixed in on your recovery weeks or recovery days. P90X has a weekly schedule.

P90X2 is kind of similar to P90X. The differences are that it incorporates an exercise ball (a medieval torture device) and while this one is also about push ups and pull ups, it has a huge emphasis on the core. Adding in the exercise ball is a whole other animal when doing push ups and dumbbell work outs (I've never felt as uncoordinated as I did in some of these). P90X2 also focuses on balance more also encorporating the exercise ball and doing various exercises on one leg or in different positions. You get updated versions of the Cardio routines too. Plyometrics is now Plyocide which is hard core, but coming from P90X wasn't as horrible as Plometrics was at first. If you start with P90X2 I'd imgine it would be pretty bad too though. Ab Ripper X is now X2 Ab ripper and it is a lot more core focused as well. I'll be honest and say that I only did X2 Yoga once or twice simply because of the time it took (68 minutes). Overall P90X2 routines are a bit shorter than P90X though. Also updated in P90X2 is there are no scheduled recovery weeks (you can add them where you feel you need them). Recovery time is incorporated sort of on day 7 with Recovery and Mobility, but I typically ran or rested on these days. P90X2 is phase based (2 phases) where you move on to the next phase when you feel you've mastered one.

You can google the work out routines, but here are some links to get an idea.
P90X workout schedule.
P90X2 Workout Schdule

I liked both P90X and P90X2, but it's tough to pick which I liked better because they are a little different. If you want more toning I would go with P90X2 as the core stuff really makes you sweat and of course is in my opinion more toning based all the way around. You will get toned with P90X, but it has more traditional pure strength moves IMO. Neither is going to gain you a lot of bulk, but I don't think you're looking for that.

It's been about a year since I did P90X and probably 6 months since I did P90X2, so my review probably could be a little better but I'm going off of memory.

Now about Insanity. I mentioned it, but I will again...I HATED it. It was novel for a couple weeks, but the non stop cardio was far from what I wanted to be doing. Some may dispute this part, but I felt I lost some of the muscle I gained through the P90 programs because Insanity simply isn't about that. Shawn T can claim crap like if you want arms like this do this exercise, but WTF ever. Any resistance training you're getting involves your body weight only.
Now it is hard as crap and makes you really sweat and kills your lungs (cardio speaking), so if that's what your after then it's great for that. It's also a good bit shorter than P90 so that part was nice as well (30 and 45 mins). Bottom line it was a great really intense cardio program (the MAX period is INSANE)....I just hated with a passion.
Here's a link to a Insanity Routine PDF.

Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by WV (Post 9349141)

I did Insanity as well and absolutely hated it. It is pure cardio where neither P90 program are. There is cardio incorporated into P90X and P90X2, but Insanity is nothing but cardio (unless you count pushups or Level 1 and 2 drills (basically burpees) as resistence training). Comparing the two is apples and oranges to me, so tougher is relative.

P90X is all about push ups and pull ups with some cardio exercises mixed in. You'll use dumbbells or bands in most other excercises (curls, shoulder presses, tricept extentions etc..) The cardio in P90X often incorporates some weight in the form of dumbbells or resistance bands too(think weighted lunge type stuff). The most pure cardio routines in P90X are Plyometrics (which will kick your ass for a good while) and Kenpo X (basically a kicking and punching cardio routine). You also have Yoga X mixed in. Yoga X is really tough for the first half, but just as you're ready to give up it gets better. My biggest beef with it was that it's 1.5 hours....too long some days and tough to fit in a schedule. Most P90X routines are about 1:15 including Ab Ripper X. You can modify the routines to fit your fitness level and will most likely have to unless you're in really good shape and used to the movements involved. There are also other discs that are less intense. You can sub Cardio X for Plyo if it really kicks your ass. X Stretch and Core synergistics are mixed in on your recovery weeks or recovery days. P90X has a weekly schedule.

P90X2 is kind of similar to P90X. The differences are that it incorporates an exercise ball (a medieval torture device) and while this one is also about push ups and pull ups, it has a huge emphasis on the core. Adding in the exercise ball is a whole other animal when doing push ups and dumbbell work outs (I've never felt as uncoordinated as I did in some of these). P90X2 also focuses on balance more also encorporating the exercise ball and doing various exercises on one leg or in different positions. You get updated versions of the Cardio routines too. Plyometrics is now Plyocide which is hard core, but coming from P90X wasn't as horrible as Plometrics was at first. If you start with P90X2 I'd imgine it would be pretty bad too though. Ab Ripper X is now X2 Ab ripper and it is a lot more core focused as well. I'll be honest and say that I only did X2 Yoga once or twice simply because of the time it took (68 minutes). Overall P90X2 routines are a bit shorter than P90X though. Also updated in P90X2 is there are no scheduled recovery weeks (you can add them where you feel you need them). Recovery time is incorporated sort of on day 7 with Recovery and Mobility, but I typically ran or rested on these days. P90X2 is phase based (2 phases) where you move on to the next phase when you feel you've mastered one.

You can google the work out routines, but here are some links to get an idea.
P90X workout schedule.
P90X2 Workout Schdule

I liked both P90X and P90X2, but it's tough to pick which I liked better because they are a little different. If you want more toning I would go with P90X2 as the core stuff really makes you sweat and of course is in my opinion more toning based all the way around. You will get toned with P90X, but it has more traditional pure strength moves IMO. Neither is going to gain you a lot of bulk, but I don't think you're looking for that.

It's been about a year since I did P90X and probably 6 months since I did P90X2, so my review probably could be a little better but I'm going off of memory.

Now about Insanity. I mentioned it, but I will again...I HATED it. It was novel for a couple weeks, but the non stop cardio was far from what I wanted to be doing. Some may dispute this part, but I felt I lost some of the muscle I gained through the P90 programs because Insanity simply isn't about that. Shawn T can claim crap like if you want arms like this do this exercise, but WTF ever. Any resistance training you're getting involves your body weight only.
Now it is hard as crap and makes you really sweat and kills your lungs (cardio speaking), so if that's what your after then it's great for that. It's also a good bit shorter than P90 so that part was nice as well (30 and 45 mins). Bottom line it was a great really intense cardio program (the MAX period is INSANE)....I just hated with a passion.
Here's a link to a Insanity Routine PDF.

Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9349282)

ROFL

I feel like it. Olympic lifting for 2 years and doing cleans, snatches and squats 4-5x a week sure beat up my body. Hip issues are genetic related and Olympic lifting sure as **** aggravated the condition....no shock there I suppose! Was fun as hell lifting and competing for those few years though. I honestly think the warm Arizona weather is the biggest reason they now feel ok. Thinking of possibly getting back into Oly lifting sometime soon.

Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief (Post 9349462)

P90x without a shadow of doubt will work. And insanity, well it's even more intense then p90x.

For beginners who are extremely overweight or really out off shape, I would highly, highly recommend 10 minute Trainer. It is basically a simplified P90x broken down into 10 minute workouts. For those who are really out of shape. Start slow. If you try to start big. You will likely get discouraged. Start with 10 minute, move to p90x then move to insanity

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9349300)

I'm trying a p90x / Insanity hybrid. I prefer Insanity over p90x ploy and kenpo, and I prefer the "rest" Insanity stuff over Yoga. I'm hoping this will finally get me the balance between being jacked and feeling like I'm in decent cardio shape.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9349334)

Holy shit. :clap: 100x better than what I was expecting. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 9350326)

Insanity is pretty worthless to me as it is. It needs to add some weight days.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9357965)

Does anyone have any advice/recommendations on protein powders? How many grams per day?

I've been told I need one gram per pound of body weight per day, but holy shit...that's a ton. I'm 166 pounds. What are some of the bigger guys in the weight loss thread supposed to do? Seriously, you've got guys over there who weigh around four bills. Are they just supposed to pour they entire container into a give gallon bucket of water and slam it?

That's 13 scoops a day of that shit for just under 400 grams of protein.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9357965)

Does anyone have any advice/recommendations on protein powders? How many grams per day?

I've been told I need one gram per pound of body weight per day, but holy shit...that's a ton. I'm 166 pounds. What are some of the bigger guys in the weight loss thread supposed to do? Seriously, you've got guys over there who weigh around four bills. Are they just supposed to pour they entire container into a give gallon bucket of water and slam it?

That's 13 scoops a day of that shit for just under 400 grams of protein.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 9357965)

Does anyone have any advice/recommendations on protein powders? How many grams per day?

I've been told I need one gram per pound of body weight per day, but holy shit...that's a ton. I'm 166 pounds. What are some of the bigger guys in the weight loss thread supposed to do? Seriously, you've got guys over there who weigh around four bills. Are they just supposed to pour they entire container into a give gallon bucket of water and slam it?

That's 13 scoops a day of that shit for just under 400 grams of protein.

Originally Posted by Tylerthigpen!1! (Post 9358358)

I'm a big fan of syntha-6. Great flavors.