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Marco Polo 11-15-2012 02:22 PM

Kiper: Chiefs should take Te'o with 1st pick
 
Sorry if repost; per Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes the Chiefs should select Notre Dame ILB Mant Te'o with the first overall selection, if they end up with it in April.

Kiper explains this decision by saying no top quarterback stands out at the top and the Chiefs do not need pass rushing help from the outside linebacker spot due to Tamba Hali and Justin Houston already being on the roster. We believe one of the quarterbacks will separate themselves during the pre-draft process, and also disagree that an inside linebacker should be selected in the top five.

loochy 11-15-2012 02:23 PM

Loochy believes that Mel Kiper can suck it

BigMeatballDave 11-15-2012 02:24 PM

Kiper is an idiot.

BlackHelicopters 11-15-2012 02:25 PM

Mel Kiper has nice hair.

okoye35chiefs 11-15-2012 02:26 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Buddy Rich 11-15-2012 02:26 PM

Here’s Mel Kiper talking about former LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell, who was on his way to becoming one of the biggest busts in NFL history:

“Look out,” Kiper told ESPN viewers during the 2007 draft, “because (his) skill level is certainly John Elway like.” Kiper went on to say Russell had a chance in three seasons to become an “elite” NFL quarterback.

BoneKrusher 11-15-2012 02:29 PM

just what we need, another high draft pick on the defense and no QB.

suds79 11-15-2012 02:31 PM

An ILB with that high of a draft pick???? Is he high?

When you draft that high you have to take one of the following...

QB, LT, DE (or pass rusher OLB), CB, WR.

That's it.

Titty Meat 11-15-2012 02:31 PM

If Scott Pioli is still the GM i don't want them to take a QB.

KC_Lee 11-15-2012 02:31 PM

If he thinks that the Chiefs need to draft an ILB with the first pick he's been huffing his hairspray too much.

listopencil 11-15-2012 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 9121240)
An ILB with that high of a draft pick???? Is he high?

When you draft that high you have to take one of the following...

QB, LT, DE (or pass rusher OLB), CB, WR.

That's it.

Yeah. I don't see taking an ILB high in the first.

BoneKrusher 11-15-2012 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9121241)
If Scott Pioli is still the GM i don't want them to take a QB.

i agree.

Graystoke 11-15-2012 02:35 PM

I hope Geno kicks Mel Kiper in the nuts

notorious 11-15-2012 02:35 PM

JFC

What a ****ing idiot.

L.A. Chieffan 11-15-2012 02:35 PM

the nightmare will never end

Chiefnj2 11-15-2012 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 9121240)
An ILB with that high of a draft pick???? Is he high?

When you draft that high you have to take one of the following...

QB, LT, DE (or pass rusher OLB), CB, WR.

That's it.

If the future Patrick Willis is available and you have a QB, you take the player.

RunKC 11-15-2012 02:37 PM

And who the **** does this assclown think we should take as a QB if we aren't taking him at 1?

I doubt Tyler Bray will come out.

King_Chief_Fan 11-15-2012 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9121241)
If Scott Pioli is still the GM i don't want them to take a QB.

I agree, we see what that numbskull does when it comes to QB's.
Cassel
Quinn
Stanzi
Palko
Tanney

RealSNR 11-15-2012 02:37 PM

That's like saying the Colts in 1997 shouldn't have drafted Peyton Manning because Ryan Leaf was considered to be just as good.

mr. tegu 11-15-2012 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 9121217)
Sorry if repost; per Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes the Chiefs should select Notre Dame ILB Mant Te'o with the first overall selection, if they end up with it in April.

Kiper explains this decision by saying no top quarterback stands out at the top and the Chiefs do not need pass rushing help from the outside linebacker spot due to Tamba Hali and Justin Houston already being on the roster. We believe one of the quarterbacks will separate themselves during the pre-draft process, and also disagree that an inside linebacker should be selected in the top five.

Am I missing something? Isn't he contradicting himself?

Frosty 11-15-2012 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 9121217)
ESPN's Mel Kiper believes the Chiefs should select Notre Dame ILB Mant Te'o with the first overall selection, if they end up with it in April.

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RealSNR 11-15-2012 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9121256)
If the future Patrick Willis is available and you have a QB, you take the player.

But the Chiefs don't so... yeah.

RealSNR 11-15-2012 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9121264)
Am I missing something? Isn't he contradicting himself?

This is being reported by Rotoworld. They disagree with him.

mr. tegu 11-15-2012 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9121270)
This is being reported by Rotoworld. They disagree with him.

Oh okay I see. Thanks! I can't think straight due to his take on this.

suds79 11-15-2012 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9121256)
If the future Patrick Willis is available and you have a QB, you take the player.

Sure there's always exceptions to the rule but lets be honest, there's only 1 Patrick Willis.

ILB just isn't enough of a big impact position to warrant that type of draft spot.

Trade down? Maybe (and that's assuming we still get that 1st round QB). But can't sit there and do it.

The Franchise 11-15-2012 02:42 PM

I'd JIMP.......and then shoot myself in the head.

siberian khatru 11-15-2012 02:43 PM

Trading down for Dee Milliner FTW!

RealSNR 11-15-2012 02:43 PM

This is a very deep year for ILBs, too, kind of like how 2010 was a deep draft for safeties. Not saying Eric Berry wasn't the right pick, but it would have been easy to rationalize going a different direction at 5 then picking up a quality safety in the middle rounds.

Chiefnj2 11-15-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 9121277)
Sure there's always exceptions to the rule but lets be honest, there's only 1 Patrick Willis.

ILB just isn't enough of a big impact position to warrant that type of draft spot.

Trade down? Maybe (and that's assuming we still get that 1st round QB). But can't sit there and do it.

3 years after the draft nobody cares about the position, just whether or not they are good players. If you've got a perennial pro bowler, you did well.

Titty Meat 11-15-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9121284)
This is a very deep year for ILBs, too, kind of like how 2010 was a deep draft for safeties. Not saying Eric Berry wasn't the right pick, but it would have been easy to rationalize going a different direction at 5 then picking up a quality safety in the middle rounds.

Dude if we get Teo we can keep Cassel and just run the ball 50 times a game and go 7-9 by winning games 9-6.

RunKC 11-15-2012 02:44 PM

Why in the **** is this class being called shitty? It looks much better than the 2008 class for crying out loud.

Seriously. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco weren't exactly lighting it up in college and look at them now.

God I hate Kiper.

suds79 11-15-2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9121290)
3 years after the draft nobody cares about the position, just whether or not they are good players. If you've got a perennial pro bowler, you did well.

Eh I disagree. If there was a perennial pro bowl Guard out there and the Chiefs used that 1 or 2 pick on him, I'd still be upset. Why? Because we still wouldn't be winning SBs.

No we'd be better off just taking the best available QB. You'd either hit and be eligible for a SB down the road, or you'd whiff and come back in 3-4 years and take another QB.

listopencil 11-15-2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9121256)
If the future Patrick Willis is available and you have a QB, you take the player.


Now explain why the Chiefs would make that move. Drunk on draft day? The entire FO is killed in a horrible plane crash and Clark's heretofore unknown crack addicted half brother is running the draft? Someone accidentally sends up a printout of this article and the Commish reads off the first player name he sees? What's the excuse?

RealSNR 11-15-2012 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9121290)
3 years after the draft nobody cares about the position, just whether or not they are good players. If you've got a perennial pro bowler, you did well.

If Tyson Jackson played like Richard Seymour, I'd still be ****ing pissed that we took him at ****ing 3.

suds79 11-15-2012 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9121293)
Why in the **** is this class being called shitty? It looks much better than the 2008 class for crying out loud.

Seriously. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco weren't exactly lighting it up in college and look at them now.

God I hate Kiper.

Yep. It's a crapshoot. Might as well take a position that matters.

Ben Roethlisberger went 11th overall in 04. Just because some scouts believe Matt Barkley to be around the #10-15th best player in this league doesn't me that's where we'll stay.

hometeam 11-15-2012 02:50 PM

I think Kiper lives to get negative reactions from his BS.

Ignore him. I mean christ hes still rocking the bevis and butthead hairdo.

Frosty 11-15-2012 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9121284)
This is a very deep year for ILBs, too, kind of like how 2010 was a deep draft for safeties. Not saying Eric Berry wasn't the right pick, but it would have been easy to rationalize going a different direction at 5 then picking up a quality safety in the middle rounds.

Just think - they could have gotten Burfict last year instead of Junior Hemingway or Jerome ****ing Long.

notorious 11-15-2012 02:51 PM

It's like the ESPN reeruns read CP and say shit just to piss us off even more.

Chiefnj2 11-15-2012 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 9121303)

No we'd be better off just taking the best available QB. You'd either hit and be eligible for a SB down the road, or you'd whiff and come back in 3-4 years and take another QB.

My original post said "if you have the QB" then the position doesn't matter, take the highest graded player.

listopencil 11-15-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9121324)
My original post said "if you have the QB" then the position doesn't matter, take the highest graded player.

It's not that simple. You have to look at "bang for your buck" in the draft. The #1 guy in a position of lesser impact isn't going to help you as much as the #2 or even #3 guy in a position of greater impact.

scho63 11-15-2012 03:07 PM

Mel Kiper received $5,000 from Pioli to say that shit!

Reerun_KC 11-15-2012 03:07 PM

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Quesadilla Joe 11-15-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Shaping up to be a good yr for OT's and DL. Down year for QBs and RBs. #2013NFLDraft
https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/st...64565185560577

DaneMcCloud 11-15-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9121338)

As a Chiefs fan, I couldn't give a **** about "how deep" or how "good" this quarterback "class" may or may not be in 2013.

All I care about is the Chiefs choosing the RIGHT GUY with the #1 overall pick.

I couldn't care less about the others.

jspchief 11-15-2012 03:11 PM

A high first round pick is all this defense needs to be top notch.

Woodchuck 11-15-2012 03:16 PM

I don't like Kiper but, i agree that we won't take a QB with the #1 pick. I could see us taking Te'o if we could move back but a MLB at #1 seems unlikely. However, we need leadership badly and he is hands down the best leader in the draft.

I really don't think a QB will go #1 this year.

keg in kc 11-15-2012 03:19 PM

Worst. Idea. Ever.

And I could totally see Pioli doing that.

BlackHelicopters 11-15-2012 03:21 PM

Mel Kper is never wrong.

Bump 11-15-2012 03:22 PM

he's trolling

saying something stupid just to get attention. Stupid journalism.

mr. tegu 11-15-2012 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 9121338)

Who cares. We need ONE QB and the rest can be supplemented however. If there was only one QB projected in the first round it would be a bad year for QBs but that is the only one we need. I couldn't care less if the other teams get a shot at a QB.

notorious 11-15-2012 03:23 PM

The draft experts really are idiots. They boast about how much work they put in researching players, etc. but in the end they are just as if not more idiotic than a casual fan.

Woodchuck 11-15-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9121360)
he's trolling

saying something stupid just to get attention. Stupid journalism.

He is and he isn't.

No one will take a MLB #1 overall. Unless, the rookie cap makes that much of an impact??? But, I doubt it will.

Anyway, he probably is getting attention saying a MLB will go #1 but, it's not going to be a QB. He's right about that. There are going to be several players ranked above the first QB on draft boards.

Skyy God 11-15-2012 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9121341)
A high first round pick is all this defense needs to be top notch.

Belcher's the weak link!!!

alpha_omega 11-15-2012 03:29 PM

I am sure that would go over well here on CP.

Reerun_KC 11-15-2012 03:31 PM

You need a QB to win in a QB driven league...

You cant deny or excuse it....

Chiefs will never win a superbowl without one... Stop playing dick hole games and draft a QB. Its pretty simple... You dont get a QB at the #1 spot, you dont deserver to ever win a championship.

RealSNR 11-15-2012 03:35 PM

****ing enough of this.

Bob, let's make a wager. I say a QB is going #1 overall. You say it will be a different player at a different position.

What do you want to bet? I'll do anything. Sigs, avatars, beer. Name it.

the Talking Can 11-15-2012 03:36 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


the only person ****ing stupid enough to draft a LB at #1 over a QB is black reerun...and Kiper, I guess...embarrassing

Buckweath 11-15-2012 03:36 PM

Lol, I find it really funny. I'd bet my life that the Chiefs will draft a QB with their first round pick, despite the history.

Woodchuck 11-15-2012 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9121388)
****ing enough of this.

Bob, let's make a wager. I say a QB is going #1 overall. You say it will be a different player at a different position.

What do you want to bet? I'll do anything. Sigs, avatars, beer. Name it.

Ok, avatars sound good.

NJChiefsFan 11-15-2012 03:38 PM

Kiper is trolling us like Raiders/Broncos fans can only dream of right now.

BigMeatballDave 11-15-2012 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9121306)
If Tyson Jackson played like Richard Seymour, I'd still be ****ing pissed that we took him at ****ing 3.

Eh, if that were the case, most of us would be over it by now.

Woodchuck 11-15-2012 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 9121393)
Lol, I find it really funny. I'd bet my life that the Chiefs will draft a QB with their first round pick, despite the history.

Who does the best QB in this class compare to? I think that is what you have to ask yourself.

To me, Tyler Wilson is the best QB and he compares to Jay Cutler. I'm not taking Cutler #1 overall.

saphojunkie 11-15-2012 03:40 PM

I will agree with Mel Kiper that Manti Te'o is the absolute best bet on landing a perennial pro bowler in this draft.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't take him if you're KC.

If you want him so badly, trade your next first and Dwayne Bowe to St. Louis for one of their top 10 picks and draft him AFTER you get Geno Smith.

saphojunkie 11-15-2012 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9121400)
Who does the best QB in this class compare to? I think that is what you have to ask yourself.

To me, Tyler Wilson is the best QB and he compares to Jay Cutler.

You are just so very wrong all the time. Why do you post such jackass opinions when you are so very wrong?

Chiefs Pantalones 11-15-2012 03:44 PM

**** Mel Kiper. Draft a QB or heads will be decapitated.

Woodchuck 11-15-2012 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9121402)
I will agree with Mel Kiper that Manti Te'o is the absolute best bet on landing a perennial pro bowler in this draft.

Doesn't change the fact that you don't take him if you're KC.

If you want him so badly, trade your next first and Dwayne Bowe to St. Louis for one of their top 10 picks and draft him AFTER you get Geno Smith.

I agree and I want KC to take him badly. The problem is that we probably won't be able to trade Bowe unless we tag him a second time and it would cost a fortune if we couldn't trade him. We would probably have to either give up future picks and/or other players.

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9121405)
You are just so very wrong all the time. Why do you post such jackass opinions when you are so very wrong?

What am I wrong about? Who does your guy compare to? This is the Bill Parcells test. If you can't think of anyone that a guy compares to, you do not take him. It's a ledgit question imo.


Why was that opinion a jackass opinion? Can you really say that yet? Some people are comparing Wilson to Favre.

Easy 6 11-15-2012 03:46 PM

Kiper - "i'm an overpaid buffoon"

KCDC 11-15-2012 03:48 PM

On the NFL draft breakdown on ESPN, Mel stated that Stanzi will have the BEST NFL career of all the quarterbacks in the years draft.

He nailed that one too.

vailpass 11-15-2012 03:51 PM

He's being different so set himself apart, blowing smoke up his own ass.
This what Kiper does, it's how he's managed to get himself paid handsomely all these years for doing nothing all year but talking about the draft.

Woodchuck 11-15-2012 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9121417)
He's being different so set himself apart, blowing smoke up his own ass.
This what Kiper does, it's how he's managed to get himself paid handsomely all these years for doing nothing all year but talking about the draft.

Everyone knows Kiper is a douchbag. That said, As a Broncos fan would you be more worried if we took Te'o or one of the QBs #1 overall?

DaneMcCloud 11-15-2012 03:52 PM

Mel Kiper is an entertainer, not an NFL Scout, College Personnel or Pro Personnel Director or NFL General Manager.

Entertainer
.

vailpass 11-15-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9121418)
Everyone knows Kiper is a douchbag. That said, As a Broncos fan would you be more worried if we took Te'o or one of the QBs #1 overall?

No.

RealSNR 11-15-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9121396)
Ok, avatars sound good.

Great. How long do you want avatars? A month? Two months?

I'm going to recommend two months, but it's up to you.

Woodchuck 11-15-2012 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9121427)
No.

ROFL Come on man.... It was an "oh shit" moment when Denver took Von Miller.

DaneMcCloud 11-15-2012 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9121402)
I will agree with Mel Kiper that Manti Te'o is the absolute best bet on landing a perennial pro bowler in this draft.

So was #4 overall 2009 ILB, Aaron Curry.

He was traded just two years later for a 7th round pick.

ILB's are not valuable pieces. If Te'o goes in the Top 3, that team is grossly overpaying, Pro Bowl or not.

DaneMcCloud 11-15-2012 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9121430)
ROFL Come on man.... It was an "oh shit" moment when Denver took Von Miller.

Miller and Te'o have completely different skillsets, reerun

Ebolapox 11-15-2012 04:00 PM

or, you know, not. NEVER take a MLB top two, let alone top five

RunKC 11-15-2012 04:03 PM

Guys it doesn't matter which of the 3 QB's we choose. If you put them on a team with good coaching and some talent (we defenitely have the talent part) they will succeed. That's all it takes.

Hell look at Mark Sanchez. His team was loaded in his first 2 years and they made him look far better than he really was.
Matt Ryan is an above average QB but he's looked elite because he has a coordinator that's doing his job and 2 elite WR's+best TE ever.
Joe Flacco has a solid OL, elite RB and good WR's...oh and an elite defense to help him out.
Andy Dalton looks better than he is because he has a decent OL, great defense, some guy named AJ Green and a good TE in Gresham.

Hell Matt Mother****ing Cassel looked like a competent QB with talent and coaching for 2 seasons.

It's all about what coach we bring in. Talent is there guys.

Sorter 11-15-2012 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9121432)
Miller and Te'o have completely different skillsets, reerun

He really made that comparison?

LMAO.

CoMoChief 11-15-2012 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buddy Rich (Post 9121226)
Here’s Mel Kiper talking about former LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell, who was on his way to becoming one of the biggest busts in NFL history:

“Look out,” Kiper told ESPN viewers during the 2007 draft, “because (his) skill level is certainly John Elway like.” Kiper went on to say Russell had a chance in three seasons to become an “elite” NFL quarterback.

He had all the talent in the world to be a great QB in this league.

He just had a pea-sized brain, and he was your typical everday lazy-ass from Louisiana.


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