If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.
 

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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8-8.....really shooting for the ****ing moon there..

greeeeeaaat

If Alex Smith leads us into the playoffs then it was worth it.

Well, at least we now know the other pick involved in the deal will be a third rounder.

yuck - I was hoping it was "make the playoffs"

For this to be a truly Chiefsian year we'll need to start out 5-8 so we know our season is over and then win our final 3.

FAIL

this is absolut fail

LOL @ aiming to pay higher for breaking even

we better go 8-8 or better or the front office guys are ****ing stupid for making this trade

Chiefs luck is they'll go 9-7, make the playoffs somehow, and get blown out.

If we go from the worst team in football, a national joke......... to the playoffs the next year, it was draft picks well spent.

Can you imagine if we go 8-8, then come draft time we will be holding about the 17th pick in the first round and no second round pick. I literally cannot comprehend a situation like that.

should be some good value at Guard and DL at 17.

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they gave up a ****ing second for going 8-8?


jesus christ this franchise is joke...."win now...8-8!...trade as many picks as necessary!"

I have a hard time believing we had to give up this much to pry Alex Smith from the 49'ers.

Andy Reid thinks it's a perfect trade still lol.


He's an idiot

Eh, it's all a crapshoot.

If they had any confidence in Smith they should have said 10-6 not 8-8...

they got ****ed so hard in this trade it is mind blowing....we're looking at the possibility of 2 high round seconds for a backup QB that takes us to 8-8 (aka "the Chiefs Superbowl")

What's a fair metric for success? .500. /KC

Bleeding vaginas.

I see them everywhere.

When was the last time the Chiefs record was 8-8?

yes, we now have an actual means of valuing Clark's aspirations...

a backup QB and an 8-8 record...that's worth 2 seconds

We better tank if we're 7-8.

Obligatory CP you are all overreacting trust in the process/have faith in Andy and Dorsey. /truefan (optimist to be politically correct)

when is the first time anyone cared about going 8-8?

This team won 2 games last year. 6 win improvement.

We made it to the playoffs with Matt Freaking Cassel.


La De Freaking Da


When are we going to win in the playoffs and then turn around the next year and be contending for a Championship and continue have success in the playoffs for years to come with Championship aspirations each year?


When are we going have a quarterback last longer than 2 to 5 years and make us a team no one wants to play?

when?

never.

Dude chill.

First, we don't even know if this info is true. From a practical standpoint if we go 8-8 the pick will be around 17-19 not a high round pick.

This story literally confirms what all the pessimists have been complaining about. This organization is content with filling the seats and nothing more.

That is what I am afraid of.


:(

-True Fan

I'm pretty sure this is evidence that Reid and Dorsey do not believe Smith is The Guy.

It certainly begs the question of who the guy will be in the future. My guess is we trade up for him in 2014.

Yep. It's explicit. No longer do we need to speculate.

from a practical standpoint, we supposedly believe in building through the draft, but gave up 2 seconds for going 8-8 with a stop gap QB....there's no spin for this

at least if it was contingent on a playoff appearance you could rationalize it...8-8?

ROFL

Why are we giving up 2 picks for him?

actually it begs the question of why you'd trade 2 seconds for someone who isn't 'the guy'...

the more you think about it, the more painfully ****ing stupid it is

and just because I'm that guy:

trading for RG3..risky

trading multiple picks for 8-8...smart.../chiefs fans

Be fun to watch league best Oline play again.

They gave up a second round this year and have expectations to at least go 8-8 with Alex Smith this year to warrant him to be our starting quarterback for next several years to come barring injuries.

Injuries maybe our best hope to force the Chiefs to do something different than Alex Smith. I'm betting they will stick with him as long as they can. They look at 8 wins as an "improvement". It's not an improvement when we went the playoffs with basically the same team in 2010.

8-8

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Every year

/truefans

I thoroughly get your point. But we had no leverage whatsoever because there were other teams that wanted AS just as bad so we did and we had to drop our pants even further. Especially since we had no legit NFL QB on the roster and the 9ers knew it and bent us over. Dorsey would have done the same if we were in their shoes. Fallout is on Pioli not Dorsey/Reid for hanging his hat on Cassel and leaving us with sh** at QB plain and simple.

Dorsey got defensive in a pressed when someone brought up the trade compensation. He knows he got the okie-doke from the 9ers.

complete bullshit

pioli didn't make this stupid trade

Dorsey did...it's a ****ing embarrassment of a trade

a smart team with a smart front office donkey punched us

Because we were furiously working to outbid several other teams.

A combination of business and football acumen.

The Chiefs need to be competitive, and you're not getting that with Carson Palmer, Kevin Kolb, Matt Flynn, Geno Smith, or Matt Barkley. You're getting it from Alex Smith.

Build a team around him for a year, then see what you can do to get The Guy.

we placed a value on 8-8


think about that...we called up the 49ers and said our ambitions were to go 8-8 and we'd pay anything to do it....not the playoffs, 8-8

can you imagine the look on Baalke's face when Dorsey said, "Clark wants us to be 8-8, take as many draft picks as you want"..

They will have a ton of good scraps for us to pick up with all their up and coming young players.

Ya Bull Shit.

We were hanging onto the #1 pick of the draft and for all SF knew we could take Geno Smith or another QB if Dorsey and Reid acted as if that is the direction they wanted to go. From all reports not many teams were that interested in Alex Smith and that a 3rd round pick would have got the deal done.

wrong...ass backwards...proven failure

the Chiefs need a franchise QB....going 8-8 at the expense of 2 seconds not only robs you of precious draft picks, but reduces the chances that you're in a postion to draft "the guy"...

Did you watch the draft? 49ers knew this class sucked.

What would you have done different that gave us a better chance to win ?

LMAO

Geno Smith did well at the combine. Doesn't matter there are other quarterbacks the Chiefs could have "acted" as if they were interested in.

you mean a chance to go 8-8?

is it not clear that I don't give a shit about going 8-8?

8-8 does not mean good QB play.
Why is it based on record vs. QB play? This team can go 8-8 with any QB other than Cassel. Something fishy about this.

6 game improvement to 8-8 is worth a second round pick?:spock:

Stop praising for a moment and consider 2 second round picks for that.

2 second round picks for that?:spock:

The price of trying to win now.

It's a business, people.

We aren't going anywhere with Alex Smith, even if this regime hated the qb prospects this year why not bring in someone like Hasselbeck to start, that way you have a solid veteran playing and we still have our draft picks.

I'm wondering the same. If Smith gets hit by a bus and never plays a down for us, we still may end up paying a 2nd if we go 8-8? I thought we should have been 8-8 last year. While Cassel would never have been a playoff winner for us, coaching was why were abysmal rather than our usual mediocre.

I honestly think the Smith trade was based on bad judgement of what value they placed on Smith. I can understand, given that we had Cassel, a bad FA market, and what I'm assuming they thought was a bad QB draft class, that they went with the best option in Smitt.

but the amount they were willing to pay for it, was not a smart decision. For their sakes, they had better hope he plays well. There is ZERO reason why he shouldn't (other than he just straight up sucks). He'll have arguably the best OL in the league.

For me, his leash is very short. I'd say 2 games of Cassel-esque performances will be it for me.

When you don't have sh** at QB and you are the new regime and the draft class coming out doesn't have an Andrew Luck, and your potential trading partner KNOWS all this, you have to drop your pants even further. WHY ??? Because everyone KNOWS this is a QB DRIVEN LEAGUE !!

If you are the new regime you don't hang your hat on a weak ass QB draft class, neither do you hang your hat on your previous QB roster. So AS was the best option. I don't like it anymore than you but look at the reality of it.

You just have to get over the fact that we had the No.1 pick with no Andrew Luck or RGIII available for us to take. I get it but you don't force a square peg in a round hole when all signs show there are more likely square pegs than round pegs to choose from.

We got raped on this. As bad as Pioli is, he'll never get screwed over like this.
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**** you, Dorsey! :mad:

We got raped in this trade. Only this franchise would give up that much for a scrub QB, who is basically the same QB we've had the past 4 years.

It's called negotiating. You're making too much of the 8-8. The Chiefs probably started high the 9ers started low and they ended up in the middle. It's not some sign that Clark Hunt only wants to go 8-8. The Dorseid needed to walk away from this deal but they were too desperate to get Alex Smith. It's hard to even write something like that it's so ridiculous. They should have just backed away and picked up some other veteran for a year.

complete nonsense...just pathetic rationalizing of an idiotic trade

but I guess "ANDREW LUCK OMGZ!!!" will be sitting there for us next year when we're 8-8 and looking for a QB...right?

To your point, the overpayment is the consequence of no leverage(having Cassel, AS available, No legit Luck in the QB draft class, AND a New Regime that wants and has to win NOW) PERIOD !!

No leverage, you get hosed every time especially when you are in a position of MISSION CRITICAL NEED AT QB and your trading partner KNOWS IT !!

NO they didn't and worse is if we have to give up next years second round pick when 2014 is suppose to have a better QB draft class. This is the problem now. This is what makes this trade so bad. **** Alex Smith he was not worth the risk of 2 twos and give up a chance at future QB prospects of the draft. No matter how much anyone wants to spin it they didn't have to take that deal.

8-8 has no value...it is meaningless and worthless

then the Chiefs showed up and placed a value upon it, a second round pick

this is stupid beyond even typical Chiefs stupidity

Or waited for the price to come down to a single 3rd rounder.

Lolz, we will be 8-8 and miss the playoffs...count on it.

next year we'll be 8-8 with no 2nd round pick to use for a trade up

according to Chiefs fans, we're going to get our QBOTF in next years draft...and remember, any qb we draft has to be completely risk free like ANDREW LUCK OMG!!


genious

Luck was a "generational talent," and the Chiefs weren't in a position to draft him.

Welp, there's always hope for the next generation.

Per Chiefsbeef

Albert than was talking to DT Anthony Toribio in the comments, and told him that he "will be there soon"

We had the suck for luck campaign going, problem is no one was listening. The Colts did a great job of it though.

we avoided risk and went 8-8

what the **** else do you want?

So we traded for a 29 year old QB for 8-8? You're okay with that?
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Anyone who even remotely criticized the Redskins for what they traded for RGIII should be ****ing crucifying the Chiefs for the Alex Smith trade.