Scott Pioli's PFF rating
 

If you could give Scott Pioli a PFF rating, how would you go about it?

Since the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" league, let's tally up the latest ratings of all the players he's drafted, or acquired in free agency.

If the player is no longer a Chief, or no longer in the NFL, we'll use their last known rating. Players with negligible snaps are excluded (Colin Brown, Quinten Lawrence, Jalil Brown, Cyrus Gray, etc).

Pioli Drafts

2009

Tyson Jackson: -2.5
Alex Magee: -5.2
Donald Washington: -7.7
Jake O'Connell: -5.2
Ryan Succop: 8.7

2010

Eric Berry: -9.8
Dexter McCluster: -0.3
Javier Arenas: -0.5
Jon Asamoah: 9.6
Tony Moeaki: -5.7
Kendrick Lewis: -2.6
Cameron Sheffield: -4.8

2011

Jonathan Baldwin: 0.0
Rodney Hudson: 4.6
Justin Houston: 12.4
Allen Bailey: -5.0
Jerrell Powe: -1.5

2012

Dontari Poe: -3.0
Jeff Allen: -10.6



Pioli Free agents/Trades

2009

Matt Cassel: -3.1
Mike Vrabel: -9.0
Chris Chambers: -6.6
Leonard Pope: -14.1
Lance Long: -6.7
Mike Goff: -7.1
Sean Ryan: -15.5
Corey Mays: -22.2
Mike Brown: -4.9
Bobby Wade: -9.3
Andy Alleman: -9.1
Travis Daniels: -4.5
Mike Richardson: -2.8
Tim Castille: -2.1
Ike Ndukwe: 3.7
Terrance Copper: 1.4
Jovan Belcher: 0.1
Ryan O'Callaghan: 6.5 (how the **** did this happen)

2010

Thomas Jones: -8.4
Tyler Palko: -14.6
Verran Tucker: 2.5
Casey Wiegmann: 6.4
Ryan Lilja: 12.5
Shaun Smith: 9.3
Reshard Langford: 0.1

2011

Sabby Piscitelli: -8.0
Steve Breaston: -0.7
Jerheme Urban: -2.1
Keary Colbert: -0.8
Anthony Becht: -0.9
Le'Ron McClain: -0.8
Amon Gordon: -0.4
Steve Maneri: 2.4
Kelly Greg: 0.6

2012

Brady Quinn: -2.0
Ropati Pitoitua: -6.3
Stanford Routt: -4.8
Jacques Reeves: -2.4
Shaun Draughn: -2.6
Peyton Hillis: -1.5
Abram Elam: 2.2
Kevin Boss: 1.8
Eric Winston: 6.5
Nate Eachus: 1.8


TOTAL DRAFT RATING:
19 players, -29.1 rating, average:
-1.53

TOTAL FA/TRADE RATING:
44 players, -115.6 rating, average:
-2.62

THIS "GM" IS FAIL.

Ryan Callaghan had a couple tds that year IIRC. Otherwise he sucked.

He was a friggin OT who sucked in 2009, and somehow got a positive rating in 2010. ROFL

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I was thinking he was a tight end. My bad.

Berry's rating is disturbing.

Yup. It'll be interesting to see if he improves by season's end.

Jury is still out on Berry because he had a good year prior to the ACL, but for the most part, our 1st round picks have been busts since Albert and Bowe.

ALL those wasted top picks. It's no wonder this team ****in blows.

Dontari Poe is only .5 difference grade from Tyson Jackson.

Poe was drafted 15th, its only his 6th game
Tyson Jackson was drafted 3rd overall, it's his 4th season

That's ****ing depressing in the case of a 3rd overall pick which should have been a foundation piece/cant **** up draft pick.

That's the problem with most of these guys. They are JUST A GUY. They dont improve, they have no impact, there is no potential. It's all propaganda.

Tyson Jackson is significantly worse than Shaun "I grab balls for kicks" Smith.

Berry has always been a liability in pass coverage.

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Doubtful.

Poor scheme/Sophomore slump/improper use/Knee

Pick your poison.

I'm a Berry fan, so I hope he turns it around, but it's not looking good for him. He respects KC's football heritage though, so I'm pulling for him.

He's my favorite player. I think he'll be with a new coach.

I know this took a lot of work to put together, but I have trouble saying this is conclusive evidence that the guy sucks since a majority of players drafted don't end up doing much in the league. My hypothesis would be that most GMs have a negative rating on average, but I don't know that for sure. Would it be possible to find someone else to compare/contrast with?

(And if not, I completely understand. I can't imagine that was quick to put together.)

Hah! Sabby has a better grade than Berry.




:p

Sabby Piscatelli. Think this says it all.

The conclusive evidence is in the record.

We're just burying the guy at this point.

Look at that list, though. The lack of impact players, and even contributors, is staggering.

What's very evident: Scott is pretty good at finding you an offensive lineman, and he sucks at everything else.

brilliant post

How frigging incompetent do you have to be to have this as your free agent class, and the following season you bench the only guy worth a shit?

Don't get me started on 2009. Jovan Belcher was the shining gem, and everyone else was worthless. EVERYONE.

2010

Thomas Jones: -8.4
Tyler Palko: -14.6
Verran Tucker: 2.5
Casey Wiegmann: 6.4
Ryan Lilja: 12.5
Shaun Smith: 9.3
Reshard Langford: 0.1

2011

Sabby Piscitelli: -8.0
Steve Breaston: -0.7
Jerheme Urban: -2.1
Keary Colbert: -0.8
Anthony Becht: -0.9
Le'Ron McClain: -0.8
Amon Gordon: -0.4
Steve Maneri: 2.4
Kelly Greg: 0.6

2012

Brady Quinn: -2.0
Ropati Pitoitua: -6.3
Stanford Routt: -4.8
Jacques Reeves: -2.4
Shaun Draughn: -2.6
Peyton Hillis: -1.5
Abram Elam: 2.2
Kevin Boss: 1.8
Eric Winston: 6.5
Nate Eachus: 1.8



And People here don't think Pioli had it out for Haley. LOOK at 2012 off season that is gold vs 2010 and 2011 off season.

Mark Bradley and Bobby Wade. Ah, memories.

I hate to break it to you, but the 2012 offseason was shit, too.

By season's end, Abram Elam will be red with the rest of those guys. Kevin Boss is green, but hurt, as he's always been.

Eric Winston was a FA a 12-year old could have identified as a stud.

**** Nate Eachus.

Corey Mays makes me laugh

-22.0

he PLAYED on this team at one point. Pioli thought he was good enough to start. Over Derrick Johnson. Think about that

People will say Haley had a hand in that, but whatever.

Pioli, Haley, it doesn't matter. Incompetence, everywhere. We've been wading through it up to our waists for four seasons now.

There is no defense for these morons.

Corey Mays came from New England practically in Piolis suitcase. He like many other turds on this team over the years where his New England garbage cast offs.

I am actually surprised guys like Travis Daniels, Copper lasted as long as they did. Well I guess when Jake O Connell is still on the 53 man roster 4 years in, anyone turd can make Piolis team as long as you dont have actual playmaking talent

Why is Mark Bradley on here?

He was with the Chiefs in 08.

Also a lot of these guys had Haley connections. But the buck stops with the GM.

My bad.

That raised Pioli's grade a whole .15.

BALLA ASS

LOL

I'm surprised to see Breaston's number so low.

I *could* use his rating from 2011.

But that wouldn't be proper, since his current rating is a product of being unfairly benched by our idiot GM.

Tell me who's improved on this team since Haley left?

That's the giant red turd in the turd pile, right there. The absence of a true impact guy is telling.

Especially considering the guys we ignored in the draft ... like Clay Mathews, for example ... 3 time pro-bowler already, 2010 NFC Defensive Player of the Year, Butkus Award winner, Sporting News NFL Defensive Player of the Year, etc. Or Raji. Or Orakpo. Or Cushing. Or Harvin. That's a lot of misses in one draft in exchange for Tyson Jackson.

FAX

Too complicated.

Only one rating matters. Wins and losses.

TBF, everyone missed on Mathews. I can't forgive him for Orakpo or Cushing.

That's the kind of thing that tickles my testicles though, Mr. Sorter. I mean, if Pioligo is as brilliant as he claims (given his past statements regarding the "building" of the Patriots and all), one would think he wouldn't have let Mathews slip to 29 and, instead, negotiated one of his fabulous draft day trades or something.

But, of course, you're right about the rest. Honestly, he could have shot a ping-pong ball from his anus into a goldfish bowl full of consensus, first round prospects and done better in that particular draft.

That is not the kind of performance one expects from an NFL Executive Of The Century who earns $5 million a year.

FAX

Of course Sr. Fax. Agree wholeheartedly.

So, Succop cancels out 4x Matt Cassel.


Ratings fail.

It's just absurd that Pioligo has had the opportunity to pick so consistently high and have only one (Houston) potential impact player to show for it.

It's a travesty wrapped in an enigma inside a burrito stuffed in a Chinese midget lesbian's meat curtains.

FAX

:clap::clap::clap:
Wait, Chinese midget? :eek::eek::eek:

Here is the team built by Scott Pioli.


QB Matt Cassel
HB Shaun Draughn
LT Donald Stephenson
LG Jeff Allen
C Ryan Lilja
RG Jon Asamoah
RT Eric Winston
WR Jon Baldwin
WR Steve Breaston
WR Dexter McCluster
TE Tony Moeaki

DE Tyson Jackson
NT Dontari Poe
DE Ropati Pissandshitty
OLB Cameron Sheffield
OLB Justin Houston
ILB Jovan Belcher
ILB Corey Mays
CB Stanford Routt
CB Javier Arenas
FS Abram Elam
SS Eric Berry

ON the roster GoChiefs posted, I can forgive Berry, Poe, Routt, Breaston, Moeaki, Allen, and Stephenson.


However, when you compare them to the players drafted immediately after them and our team needs, you start thinking "WTF!!!!!!!"

Good idea. Here's what Elway has done:

Drafts:

2011
Von Miller +32.2
Rahim Moore +2.9
Orlando Franklin +4.3
Nate Irving 0
Quinton Carter +0.1
Julius Thomas 0
Mike Mohamed 0
Virgil Green 0
Jeremy Beal 0
Chris Harris -0.2

2012
Derek Wolfe -12.1
Brock Osweiler 0
Ronnie Hillman 0.8
Omar Bolden -1.5
Philip Blake 0
Malik Jackson 0.2
Danny Trevathan -2.4
Aaron Brewer 0
Steven Johnson 0

FA/Trades:

2011
Daniel Fells -1.9
Derrick Harvey -2
Willis McGahee +3.2
Dante Rosario -0.6
Ty Warren -0.1
Jeremy Jarmon 0
Broderick Bunkley +5.7

2012
Mike Adams +1.1
Justin Bannan +7.0
Andre Caldwell -0.1
C.J. Davis 0
Joel Dreessen +3.3
Caleb Hanie 0
Peyton Manning +13.9
Tracy Porter -1.1
Brandon Stokley +8.3
Jacob Tamme +4.9
Chris Gronkowski -0.4

Drafts:
+24.3 Total
+1.28 Average

FA/Trade
+41.2 Total
+2.29 Average

Sorry for no fancy colors, hard to do on my phone.

Haha, Broncos fans bringing the pain.

Outstanding.

**** Moeaki. He passed up three stud TEs for that broke ass piece of shit. I don't forgive him for that. And Stephenson was a wasted pick.

And how do you forgive him for Breaston? He was a good pickup that got stuck on the bench so that his 2nd round midget could shine.

There.....I did the work for you.

Year 4 of Pioli...ROFL

Thanks. That's very helpful!

I'm not forgiving Pioli. Forgiving the players for their PFF scores as I don't think they are truly indicative of either their true value (Breaston, Routt) or potential (Poe, Stephenson, Allen, Berry, Moeaki).

I can't blame the players for what Pioli does/selected. Moeaki during his rookie season seemed like a promising player. He clearly has struggled. However, that doesn't mean that I don't wish we had several other players instead of him.

Stephenson could develop into an OK LT. I don't mind the actual player. I do mind where he was selected relative to who was still available.

What I meant by "forgiving" Breaston is that I don't think Breaston's PFF rating is necessarily productive of the player he is. That applies to those I listed, although in the case of the younger guys, it is more aimed towards potential.

I still think that Stephenson pick is because Pioli is planning on gutting all of the old regime's players off of this roster. Albert will have the same "contract issues" that Bowe does.

Baldwin and McCluster were to replace Bowe.
Stephenson was to replace Albert.
Routt was to replace Carr.

It's indicative of the player he is under Scott Pioli.

And that's all that counts.

Sadly, I agree :(

:(

This franchise is just fail. It will always fail. Bring in good athletes? They will fail. Culture of fail.

Powe needs more time. He's a legit NT.

And the best thing Pioli can do in the 1st round moving forward is go QB or trade down...

You speak as if Pioli is going to be here for the draft. :shake:

do you realize how bad this team will be next year if Stephenson is suppose to be the starting LT of the future and Baldwin and McCluster are the 1 and 2 WRs

holy **** lol

Our starting receivers will be Welker, Black Welker, and Hurt Welker.

LMAOROFLLMAOROFLLMAO

its awfully depressing to think about Pioli pushing the old regimes talent out the door for nothing so his own guys can play.

It's not like these are 33 year old broke dick veterans. These are guys under 30 in the prime of their careers and have been the most productive and fan liked players on the team the last 4 or 5 years. The fact that he might have a plan in place to rid this team of most of them for his own whatever agenda is truly depressing as a fan

It's why he needs to go.

Now...

This is just pathetic, for the 536,482nd time Pioli has got to go!

hahaha

We got screwed by the Patriots

Rating:

Turd-swallower for the next "Jackass" movie!

Dont understand why Thomas jones is rated so badly, and dont get why Winston is rated so highly.

Because Thomas Jones sucked ass, even in 2010. And especially in 2011.

Because Jones is terrible and Winston was good with the Texans...He's having issues, like everyone else, in KC... :hmmm:

PFF related Pioli ownage.

Guess who just earned defensive player of the week at PFF? A guy Pioli passed on to take Dexter McCluster....a guy who could easily play Tyson Jackson's position and probably at a higher level.

Jeff Allen might be the worst goddamn pick Pioli has ever made.

http://i.imgur.com/V12uN.jpg

Wow, I liked that pick as well. -9 JFC

i said he was awful and got bashed for it

thank you PFF

He wasn't awful at U of I

didnt he play LT there

either way McCluster wasnt awful at that clown school he went to either.

doesnt mean you take him at 36.

I'm going to update this thread after the Chargers hang us by our own intestines.

But for now...

This got me thinking.

I'd love to see a banner before the game that says "Chiefs lose by 14+ - Fire Pioli..."

We all know it will happen.

Putting it out there before the game makes the point impossible to ignore...