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BigRedChief 12-16-2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9216583)
JFC.

This mother should have had her children put in foster homes and the affected son put in a state facility.

I'm sorry, but if a child in my home is pulling knives and other shit, effectively putting my other children not only in harms way but deathly danger, that kid is out.

She acted irresponsibly.

So at 13 years old due to the way he was born, he has to remain in jail for the rest of his life?

Chief_For_Life58 12-16-2012 10:20 PM

were just gonna have to put them all down

mr. tegu 12-16-2012 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9216597)
So at 13 years old due to the way he was born, he has to remain in jail for the rest of his life?

What was he born with?

DaneMcCloud 12-16-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9216597)
So at 13 years old due to the way he was born, he has to remain in jail for the rest of his life?

Jail? No.

Mental ward, institution, whatever it takes? Yes.

You don't let a kid that pulls a knife on his mother in a public school, especially when he's mentally ill.

And mental illness goes far beyond chemical imbalances. It routinely feature missing chromosomes and until there's gene therapy available for those people, they'll always have problems.

BigRedChief 12-16-2012 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9216632)
What was he born with?

mental illness?

mr. tegu 12-16-2012 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9216676)
mental illness?

What was he born with specifically?

BigRedChief 12-16-2012 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9216696)
What was he born with specifically?

WTF are you asking me?

mr. tegu 12-16-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9216717)
WTF are you asking me?

Just pointing out that people are not necessarily born with mental illness. In fact very few are diagnosed in childhood and those are the developmental disorders. (There are others but not the type that cause such serious behavior issues like we are speaking about). Therefore, to say someone is only locked up because of what they born with is wrong.

The conditions that warrant such drastic measures are not the ones a person is born with. They develop over time from psychosocial factors. But certainly some individuals are at greater risk than others due to genetic factors.

All that said, locking them up for anything of an extended period of time is absolutely the wrong thing to do.

BigRedChief 12-16-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9216826)
Just pointing out that people are not necessarily born with mental illness. In fact very few are diagnosed in childhood and those are the developmental disorders. Therefore, to say someone is only locked up because of what they born with is wrong.

The conditions that warrant such drastic measures are not the ones a person is born with. They develop over time from psychosocial factors. But certainly some individuals are at greater risk than others due to genetic factors.

All that said, locking them up for anything of an extended period of time is absolutely the wrong thing to do.

Whatever dude, you could have just posted that instead of making me answer two of your stupid questions.

The point is that its not any fault of their own.

alnorth 12-16-2012 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9216568)
This is overly simplified but the difference between difficult and troubled kids that are simply struggling at school and making friends with negative behavior that is mostly controlled and those that end up in and out of clinics due to violent and threatening behavior and being excessively destructive is parenting/support systems.

Its not that simple. Sometimes, kids are simply born psychopaths, defective from the womb, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

The Columbine killers are actually a good example of this, the parents knew the kids were crazy, and they did every single thing you'd ever expect them to do. Treatment and attention early, lots and lots of therapy, etc.

Unfortunately, and no one knew this at the time, the kids were psychopaths. There was nothing wrong with how they were raised, they were just born that way. Born evil. The only thing they learned in therapy, was how to behave to make everyone believe they were well. They carefully kept up that facade until it was time to shoot up the joint. A lot of people condemned those Columbine parents, but after the investigation was over, the police and investigators were very sympathetic with their plight.

alnorth 12-16-2012 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9216597)
So at 13 years old due to the way he was born, he has to remain in jail for the rest of his life?

depends on exactly what it is. If its something treatable, then no.

If he is a violent psychopath, then yes. You can't cure that.

mr. tegu 12-16-2012 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9216851)
Whatever dude, you could have just posted that instead of making me answer two of your stupid questions.

The point is that its not any fault of their own.

I just didn't know if you differentiated between those that develop and those that they are born with. It is still wrong to say it's no fault of their own. Things are more difficult for these types of individuals but these troubled kids are still making matters worse by their own actions. Lots of kids grow up in tough circumstances but they don't all develop mental illness that is so secure as to be able to be diagnosed.

BigRedChief 12-16-2012 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9216855)
Its not that simple. Sometimes, kids are simply born psychopaths, defective from the womb, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

The Columbine killers are actually a good example of this, the parents knew the kids were crazy, and they did every single thing you'd ever expect them to do. Treatment and attention early, lots and lots of therapy, etc.

Unfortunately, and no one knew this at the time, the kids were psychopaths. There was nothing wrong with how they were raised, they were just born that way. Born evil. The only thing they learned in therapy, was how to behave to make everyone believe they were well. They carefully kept up that facade until it was time to shoot up the joint. A lot of people condemned those Columbine parents, but after the investigation was over, the police and investigators were very sympathetic with their plight.

sounds like the same situation the author finds herself in. How many more ticking human bomb's are out there?

And does it escalate in their minds? If killing kindergarteners was evil, could those ticking time bombs be thinking, what could be even more evil?

DaneMcCloud 12-16-2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9216887)
sounds like the same situation the author finds herself in. How many more ticking human bomb's are out there?

No, it doesn't.

She knows her child is mentally ill but doctors haven't been able to confirm what he's suffering from, whether it autism, Asperger's, etc.

She KNOWS. That's far different from a psycho or sociopath.

BigRedChief 12-16-2012 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9216899)
No, it doesn't.

She knows her child is mentally ill but doctors haven't been able to confirm what he's suffering from, whether it autism, Asperger's, etc.

She KNOWS. That's far different from a psycho or sociopath.

yes, everyone agress there is a big differnece from a sociopath and others. Sociopath's just need to be locked up forever. They can't be fixed and are a threat to others.


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