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Dixie Land 06-14-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 9732396)
I can't believe people here are acting mad because Reid is trying to expand Smith's approach.

I mean are we really taking the 'How DARE Andy Reid ask Alex Smith to be more aggressive!" road? Is it a bad thing for the coach to see the limits of the QB's abilities?

Jesus people. Get a grip. I'm no Alex Smith fan, but this is an area almost everyone here has blasted Smith for. Why are you pissed? Yeah, it likely won't work. It's not a BAD thing for a coach to attempt to make a QB better though. It's called coaching.

THIS Smith has been timid his whole career....not a risk taking QB at all....Dingleberry called him "meek"....he wanted more fire outta Smith....good luck with that....Can't stand his little sideways smirk during interviews also...well season 9 here we come Smith..

Dixie Land 06-14-2013 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9749263)
The only ****ing thing Smith is great at is protecting the football.

You knew what you got when you signed him.

He only "protected football" when Harb surrounded him with killer players though....even before that he had a good team, just lacks fire and enthusiasm and leadership and and and.....:banghead:

Dixie Land 06-14-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9733522)
Alex Smith will do whatever is asked of him. that's just the way he is.

Whatever the game plan is, is what he will do. its always been that way. hes a perfect soldier. There is no general in him though.


Really? Jim Harbaugh changed Alex Smith in a lockout shortened offseason. Taught him to protect the ball, and to make sure that every drive ended in a kick.

Alex has a brilliant mind, and he will do whatever Andy, and Doug want him to do. That is the problem with people assume that they know Alex Smith, and then get pissed when people WHO DO know Alex Smith, try to tell you what to expect. If Andy wants Alex throwing more down field, then Alex will do that.

True the last year in Frisco the team lead the league in FG attempts and FG points....Smith socked azz getting TD's and throwing downfield even with Crabtree and Vernon Davis....better pray your kicker has good ju ju..

Easy 6 06-15-2013 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9748937)
I think the suckfest for CK is a bit much. He took the team 1 game farther than Smith did and truth be told just about ****ed them several times with bad turnovers early in playoff games.He did have the talent to make up for most of it though.

He is a good QB for sure but until he can win for a period of time I'm not sold he is super man. He has had a 9 game stretch that was damn good. Lets see what he can do when teams know what they are going against.

No one here hopes Smithe can shut people up more than me, i HOPE this guy has a renaissance here and is an outstanding leader and player, and i've seen just enough from him to believe it might be possible... too much hard work from two preeminent NFL minds believes it to be possible as well.

But i watched the game Kaep replaced Smith in and it was just sooo immediately apparent how much more talented he was... forget "rawness" and "easier reads by design"... he just excited that team more, plain and simple, it was like watching a chemistry experiment gone well.

As i've said before, i see Smith as what Casell SHOULD'VE been... the steady vet capable of immediately digesting and implementing a new system, avoiding disasters and starting a new regime off on the right foot, setting the tone and work habits of a new team.

But i will always believe that Reid is too smart not to constantly be on the lookout for the Next Step... bottom line, if Smith does well we take a step up to the platform that preceeds the big step.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-15-2013 10:31 PM

scott free is a goddamned WIN FACTORY tonight.

Easy 6 06-15-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9754361)
scott free is a goddamned WIN FACTORY tonight.

High praise, many thanks ;)

milkman 06-15-2013 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9754354)
No one here hopes Smithe can shut people up more than me, i HOPE this guy has a renaissance here and is an outstanding leader and player, and i've seen just enough from him to believe it might be possible... too much hard work from two preeminent NFL minds believes it to be possible as well.

But i watched the game Kaep replaced Smith in and it was just sooo immediately apparent how much more talented he was... forget "rawness" and "easier reads by design"... he just excited that team more, plain and simple, it was like watching a chemistry experiment gone well.

As i've said before, i see Smith as what Casell SHOULD'VE been... the steady vet capable of immediately digesting and implementing a new system, avoiding disasters and starting a new regime off on the right foot, setting the tone and work habits of a new team.

But i will always believe that Reid is too smart not to constantly be on the lookout for the Next Step... bottom line, if Smith does well we take a step up to the platform that preceeds the big step.

Spot on.

BigMeatballDave 06-15-2013 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by unnecessary drama (Post 9732263)
the whole Alex Smith ordeal has pretty much kept me out of football threads this entire offseason...

it's just not even worth it

people are so oblivious it sickens me...and I'd rather waste my time on CP calling Frazod fat then explaining to everyone why Joe Flacco isn't elite

Joe Flacco wins in the post season.

Isn't that what you want from your QB?

Is he as talented as some of the usual suspects? No.

But he wins. That's all that matters.

If the Chiefs won with Matt Cassel, we'd all ****ing love Matt Cassel.

Tony Romo hasn't won shit.

BigMeatballDave 06-15-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9750664)
Mental Note:

Dave Lane is the Chiefs fan who deals in reality, while "just" Dave is the Lil' Chiefy moran. Got it.

Go tongue your daddy's ass.

You might just be the biggest 'moran' here.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-16-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TrueFanDave (Post 9754428)
Go tongue your daddy's ass.

You might just be the biggest 'moran' here.

Put those claws away, girl!

Chiefshrink 06-16-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9747906)
Yeah, I will always be a die-hard 49ers fan, but Harbaugh is an asshole snake for stabbing Alex in the back. Jim got what he deserved by losing the SB... though we the fans didn't deserve it. (well, some did) Oh well.. won't historically be the first team I adore that is coached by a despicable person.

Bottom line: You can lose your starting spot especially at QB IF you consistently score more in the redone like Kaep did and continue to put up W's as you bring the level of play up for everyone else around you making them play better.

The only time this wouldn't have applied is if IF Marty Shot were the coach he would have given the starting QB job back to Smith and benched Kaep because in his mind it's not fair to Smith since he got injured (a la Grbac vs Gannon):rolleyes:. It was obviously clear the Chiefs O during that run was far more motivated and productive under Gannon than Grbac. The Chiefs O that year respected Gannon's leadership and playmaking abilities far more than Grbac and it definitely showed. But Marty couldn't see it. No way am I comparing Gannon to Kaep athletically although Gannon is very athletic but, I'm strictly speaking about Gannon's leadership and motivation he brought to the Chiefs O that year and the big difference between he and Grbac.

If Kaep is taken out and Smith put back in last year your Niners don't make it to the SB. Because Matt Ryan/Russell Wilson are far better athletic playmaking leaders in crunch time than Smith can ever hope to be. But Harbs did the right thing and went with his gut based on what not only what he saw in Kaep individually but how everyone else in the offense 'stepped their game up' and played better under Kaep's leadership.

Take off your Harb hating glasses and see the real picture here.

Sandy Vagina 06-16-2013 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 9754612)
Bottom line: You can lose your starting spot especially at QB IF you consistently score more in the redone like Kaep did and continue to put up W's as you bring the level of play up for everyone else around you making them play better.

Smith had scores on 14 of 23 red zone opportunities for 60.8%.

Kaepernick has had 8 scores in 17 red zone opportunities for 47%.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2012/...nd-alex-smith/

Want to try that again?

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 9754612)
Take off your Harb hating glasses and see the real picture here.

I generally despise dishonesty. I feel Jim promised and owed it to Alex to give him the 2012 season. To let him finish what he started... even if that meant saying g'bye to Alex the following year for his handpicked, young QB. It was a surprise to most people (outside of the few Alex hating talking heads) when Kaepernick came in and never looked back. Most analysts and fans thought it was a huge gamble... and it was. I believe Alex was ranked as the 3rd best in NFL passer rating at the time of the concussion.

To Kaep's credit, he did a great job of stepping in. I get that he has amazing potential. I actually am "over" it now, and I like where everything's at right about now. But there's no way I will ever see the decision as anything other than a betrayal.. a real dick move by a HC that would slit his own mother's throat to get what he wants. Maybe that is a mentality that fans should want out of their HC. Winning is all that matters in the end, right? Still... it was a dick move... and I would expect most of the players to see Jim in a different light now. (not that that matters much, when it comes down to it)

Coogs 06-16-2013 10:01 AM

Although Kap did appear to provide a spark to certain player(s), (Crabtree), and maybe even a portion of a fan base, he really didn't do a whole lot for the team in terms of improving the output. Points per game, yards per game, passing yards per game, rushing yards per game, wins... all very similar. Just a different way of getting those things. Just for varification, here are the numbers:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/sfo/2012.htm

Now I am not saying Smith is going to be the end-all-be-all QB this franchise is looking for, but it is not like the 49ers benched Tyler Palko (Smith) and upgraded to John Elway (Kap) last season, and their fortunes suddenly took a turn for the better. Things were pretty good to begin with.

Sorter 06-16-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9754653)
. I feel Jim promised and owed it to Alex to give him the 2012 season. You have no idea what Harbaugh "promised". Additionally, he doesn't and didn't owe anything to Alex Smith.

To Kaep's credit, he did a great job of stepping in. I get that he has amazing potential. I actually am "over" it nowI'm so happy that you're over having a 2nd year QB who led his team to SB in his first 10 games and is likely a franchise player for the next several years. I don't know how you have managed to cope with that but golly, I sure am happy you managed to live through it. But there's no way I will ever see the decision as anything other than a betrayal.. a real dick move by a HC that would slit his own mother's throat to get what he wants.You seem like someone who would defend starting Grbac. Winning is all that matters in the end, right? Yes. Winning ensures job security (unless your name is Lovie) and I would expect most of the players to see Jim in a different light now. Then you're a complete mongoloid.

This kind of stupidity is quite alarming.

crazycoffey 06-16-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9754401)
Spot on.

You're agreement to a mostly optimistic post confuses me, and you didn't say dumbass.


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