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Deberg_1990 11-02-2011 06:53 PM

AMC's latest: Hell on Wheels
 
Anyone else interested? A Western!



http://www.amctv.com/hell-on-wheels/...hell-on-wheels



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Dunit35 11-02-2011 06:55 PM

Yeah, looks good.

Buck 11-02-2011 06:57 PM

Very interested.

I've watched every AMC Original TV Series and none of them have disappointed me thus far.

I'm still sort of upset that Rubicon is off the air, but that show Homeland on Showtime seems to be filling that gap.

Deberg_1990 11-02-2011 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8074720)

I'm still sort of upset that Rubicon is off the air

Another one that flopped was their remake of The Prisoner.

Buck 11-02-2011 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8074735)
Another one that flopped was their remake of The Prisoner.

I think that was just a miniseries anyway. Could be wrong.

Ultra Peanut 11-02-2011 07:05 PM

At the very least, it seems really pretty to look at.

KevB 11-02-2011 10:04 PM

I read a couple of mediocre reviews, but I'll watch and make up my own mind.

keg in kc 11-03-2011 05:07 AM

It doesn't look real good, for some reason, but I'll give it a go.

Buehler445 11-03-2011 09:44 AM

When does it start?

I think I'll DVR it.

Buck 11-03-2011 02:57 PM

I think this Sunday.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-03-2011 03:09 PM

I'll bring it in for a look

mnchiefsguy 11-03-2011 03:27 PM

Looks interesting. I still have not checked out Justified, Prime Suspect, or a couple of other shows that interested me. I will get to them eventually I suppose.

KcMizzou 11-03-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 8076738)
Looks interesting. I still have not checked out Justified, Prime Suspect, or a couple of other shows that interested me. I will get to them eventually I suppose.

You'll love Justified. Great show.

OmahaChief 11-04-2011 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8076801)
You'll love Justified. Great show.

One of the best things on TV!

keg in kc 11-06-2011 02:54 PM

Reading some reviews today.

Don't get your hopes up.

Dunit35 11-07-2011 08:45 AM

Anybody watch last nights premiere?

It was okay. I don't want to spoil anything on last nights episode but I'll probably watch next weeks episodes to make my final judgement on it.

NewChief 11-07-2011 08:55 AM

Salon is pretty high on this. Says that it takes a few episodes to pick up steam, but that it's pretty interesting and unique once it does.

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/04/hell...mes/singleton/
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“Hell on Wheels” is a western built for hard times

BY MATT ZOLLER SEITZ

Anson Mount stars as a former Confederate soldier working on the railroad in "Hell on Wheels" (AMC).


“All of history is driven by the lion,” says transcontinental railroad investor Thomas “Doc” Durant (Colm Meaney) in the premiere of “Hell on Wheels” (Sundays 10 p.m./9 Central). “We drag the poor zebra kicking and screaming, staining the earth with his cheap blood. History doesn’t remember us fondly, but history is written by the zebra for the zebra.”

That’s a nutshell description of this new AMC series from Joe and Tony Gayton, a bloody western drama that has sharply divided critics. The major knock against it is that it’s no “Deadwood,” but what is? Set in the Nebraska territory circa 1865 and focused on the construction of the transcontinental railroad, “Hell on Wheels” is very much its own thing, and as coherent and on-message as any big-ticket TV drama I’ve seen. The first three episodes are vastly superior to the first three episodes of “Boardwalk Empire,” a similarly lavish period piece with a grim outlook on morality, commerce and human relations. And I was surprised by how quickly the series evolved before my eyes, shrugging off some unfortunate mannerisms as well as my own preconceptions about what it was going to be.

With its stony-faced but laughably well-groomed badasses, contemporary soundtrack and oddly tilted angles, the first 15 minutes of the pilot feel like a trashy modernist western with a cliched sense of what the genre is about — a silly graphic novel on film, maybe one or two steps up from Mario van Peebles’ horrid Old West beer commercial “Posse.” (Do you remember that movie? If so, my condolences on your lost two hours.) But by the end I was engrossed by the story, the setting and the large cast of characters, and somewhat amused by how quickly “Hell on Wheels” had veered away from self-conscious, rather shallow modernism and settled into a more classical groove.

The show’s main character, former Confederate soldier Cullen Bohannon (Anson Mount), mirrors the show’s evolution from forgettable curiosity to eccentric and promising drama. At the start of the pilot, Cullen seems like a cut-rate version of a numb Clint Eastwood gunslinger, and his character’s story — he’s hunting the men who murdered his wife — feels uncomfortably close to the plot of Eastwood’s 1976 classic “The Outlaw Josey Wales.” But Cullen proves less closed-off, and more complicated, than he initially seems.

When he warns a former slave turned railroad worker named Elam (rapper-actor Common) not to seek revenge against a white railroad overseer who murdered his friend, he tells him, “You have to be willing to let go of the past,” a statement that’s so at odds with what we already know about Cullen that at first it seems like a screenwriter’s mistake. But it’s really evidence of the show’s burgeoning complexity. Cullen and Elam are richer and more contradictory than they appear at first glance. The same proves true of the show’s other major players — even Colm Meaney’s character, Doc, who comes on like a scowling cardboard robber baron, but soon displays an ebullient fascination with history and myth. A long scene in the second episode in which Doc dictates an official account of Native American violence against white settlers — repeatedly increasing the number of attackers to amp up the victims’ martyrdom — fits into the modern western tradition of having characters write (and falsify) history right after it happens. But Meaney’s sprightly tone is something fresh. He reminds me of a self-aware Shakespeare villain who thinks of the world as a stage, and himself as a major player who’s always looking for opportunities to rewrite the drama to his advantage.

Much of the show’s action occurs in and around the title setting, Hell on Wheels, a camp that moves along with the construction of the continental railroad. It’s a muddy little burg in the tradition of David Milch’s Deadwood, the mining camp in “McCabe and Mrs. Miller,” and the oil field in Paul Thomas Anderson’s “There Will Be Blood,” which in some ways felt like a 20th century western in “Godfather” drag. What all these shows and movies have in common is a fascination with commerce and what it does to the individuals involved with it. “Hell on Wheels” is a perfect show for this grim era of American history, when any naively held illusions about the autonomy of the individual under capitalism have been ground into dust.

The ex-slaves who work on the railroad are in a sense still slaves, eking out a subsistence living under the gimlet eyes of overseers, some of whom have plantation experience. (One of them is Cullen, who gets a job on the railroad by telling a boss — a big-bearded Ted Levine, doing his best Walter Huston impersonation — that he’s handy with a whip.) The immigrants who work alongside the slaves — including a couple of young Irish brothers (Ben Esler and Philip Burke) who operate a tent containing a slide projector, a sort of protean version of cinema — are not much better off. They’re all cogs in the machine, fighting to carve out a place for themselves in a forbidding landscape that’s being bought, torn up and remade by forces they can barely comprehend. The Native American Joseph Black Moon (Eddie Spears) has found Jesus and bought a suit and a hat and now finds himself suspended between two cultures; his own tribe views him with suspicion, and his new identity as a Christian is unlikely to win him any favor with the white folks who are trying to dice up the prairie with rails.

The English immigrant Lily Bell (Dominque McElligott) comes to the territories via Chicago with her railroad surveyor husband, only to lose him to frontier violence almost instantly — trust me, this is not a spoiler; when’s the last time you were introduced to a frontier woman who didn’t end up single within a few screen minutes? — and finds herself alone on the prairie, forced to live off the land, a gingham-clad speck in a panorama of grass and flowers. (It’s only a matter of time before she and the show’s other widowed character find each other.) In next week’s episode, it becomes clear that the company that hired Lily’s husband couldn’t give less of a damn about her; dead or alive, she’s mainly useful as a symbol of imperiled Caucasian virtue — a means of prompting the federal government to send troops into the territories to exterminate all the brutes.

“Hell on Wheels” can be deeply irritating. It’s too ostentatiously aware of itself as a western, and a revisionist western at that. (Maybe the phrase “revisionist western” is meaningless and should be retired; can you remember the last time you saw a “traditional” western without a trace of nastiness, irony or cynicism?) There’s too much Machiavellian speechifying, and too many moments where the characters offer quotable words of wisdom to each other, and somebody needs to tell the makeup and wardrobe department to stop worrying about making everyone look handsome or beautiful; the performers shouldn’t have such modern-looking haircuts; the actresses shouldn’t be wearing modern-looking lipstick; the men’s beards should be scragglier; the clothes should be dirtier and more ragged, not off-the-rack pristine and pressed. And I’d like to see more attention paid to the details of building a railroad; there’s tremendous, mostly unexplored potential for drama in the mundane details of moving steel and rivets from point A to point B and making sure that the workers get fed and local officials bribed.

But these missteps are eclipsed by the show’s mythic feeling — more dreamlike than real — and by its characters, who keep revealing new sides. The great Tom Noonan is perfectly cast as a preacher who might be more or less worldly than you think (because Noonan plays sweetness and perversion equally well, he always surprises you); he gets a couple of nice moments in the pilot and many more in future episodes. The show’s best character doesn’t appear until next week: “The Swede,” the camp’s sheriff, who’s actually Norwegian. The actor who plays him, Christopher Heyerdahl, is an instant star. He looks a bit like Roy Scheider but philosophizes as casually as one of Ingmar Bergman’s spiritual pilgrims. He’s menacingly sure of himself, but there’s something sweet and damaged about him.

“Very moving images of home, boys,” the Swede tells the brothers, after watching slides of their home country projected on the tent wall.

“You don’t sound Irish,” one of the brothers says.

keg in kc 11-07-2011 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 8088553)
Salon is pretty high on this. Says that it takes a few episodes to pick up steam, but that it's pretty interesting and unique once it does.

That's a point that probably needs to be reinforced every time a new show hits the air. We're so instant gratification, culturally now, that if a show isn't the best thing ever starting with the pilot, we write it off. I don't have anything specific in mind as I say that, but I bet there's a long list of programs in the last decade that have gotten cancelled, continued to air a couple of episodes and gotten really good right as they gasp out their last breath.

Shows sometimes take time to find their legs. And, hell, sometimes shows start off great and go into the shitter.

I say all this without watching Hell on Wheels. It's just a general commentary...

L.A. Chieffan 11-07-2011 10:58 AM

i liked it. its not breaking bad level by any means but it has potential

Brock 11-08-2011 10:13 AM

This is pretty good.

Brock 11-08-2011 10:14 AM

I like this guy who looks like Jim Caviezel but he's not Jim Caviezel.

Barrymore50 11-08-2011 10:53 AM

I liked it--I thought there were some clunker lines (especially Colm Meaney's long speech at the end, including predictions of the future of America becoming a world power), but overall it was decent. The relationships of the characters is pretty predictable (slave will become Bohannon's friend, cute blonde British wife (widow) will become his love interest eventually).

Buck 11-08-2011 04:12 PM

Show has promise, but the camera style was unbearable to me.

Pretty much all of the AMC shows use mostly static or slow panning shots.

The camera movement in this pilot episode was just way too much for me.

Red Brooklyn 11-12-2011 10:40 PM

Liked it, didn't LOVE it. But I think it has a ton of potential and is one of the best Pilots of the season. A little static and obvious, yes. But most Pilots are. This one was never awkward. Decent acting. Ted Levine OWNS it. Decent writing. Direction was a little heavy handed, but we'll see what happens as it finds it's voice.

Hope it gets a little more nuance. But, yeah, B/B-.

Probably my favorite new show of the season, right now.

NJChiefsFan 11-13-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8088847)
That's a point that probably needs to be reinforced every time a new show hits the air. We're so instant gratification, culturally now, that if a show isn't the best thing ever starting with the pilot, we write it off. I don't have anything specific in mind as I say that, but I bet there's a long list of programs in the last decade that have gotten cancelled, continued to air a couple of episodes and gotten really good right as they gasp out their last breath.

Shows sometimes take time to find their legs. And, hell, sometimes shows start off great and go into the shitter.

I say all this without watching Hell on Wheels. It's just a general commentary...

I agree. Back in the day X-Files got a 70 episode pilot run. That would never happen. Some of my favorite shows ever, X-Files, Seinfeld, and Cheers had horrible or slow/iffy first seasons.

Other shows like Lost and Arrested Development shot off from the start.

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Originally Posted by Barrymore50 (Post 8091652)
I liked it--I thought there were some clunker lines (especially Colm Meaney's long speech at the end, including predictions of the future of America becoming a world power), but overall it was decent. The relationships of the characters is pretty predictable (slave will become Bohannon's friend, cute blonde British wife (widow) will become his love interest eventually).

I presonally liked the speech at the end.

Buehler445 12-06-2011 08:03 AM

Bizumpedy Bump for Frankie.

I've been watching. I'm enjoying it. I'm not head over heels for it, but whenever an episode completes, I want to see what is going to happen next week. So I guess that is the measure of success for a show.

Earthling 12-06-2011 08:12 AM

Big western movie fan here but feel kinda disappointed in this one. After watching all the episodes I wouldn't feel bad if I miss some of the future ones.

jjjayb 12-06-2011 09:37 AM

I like this one enough to DVR it every week.

keg in kc 12-06-2011 03:28 PM

Just got caught up again. Liked the first four but that last one, the boxing episode, was crap. Hopefully it's a bump in the road and not a sign of things to come.

NJChiefsFan 12-10-2011 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Earthling (Post 8174412)
Big western movie fan here but feel kinda disappointed in this one. After watching all the episodes I wouldn't feel bad if I miss some of the future ones.

I like the show, but I do agree if my DVR didn't record it for some reason and they didn't show it 100 times a week, I wouldn't be furious if I missed an episode. Even though it doesn't have stand-alone episodes the story hasn't gotten to the point where missing an episodes costs you that much.

I do like it, I am just curious what the main backbone of the show will be, aside from the literal railroad. The issues with the railroad and his revenge don't seem to be deep enough to carry it. Still, I have watched each episode.

MTG#10 12-24-2011 06:32 PM

Just started watching, 3 episodes in. Great ****ing show. Not as good as Deadwood, but nothing is.

KC_Lee 01-08-2012 10:01 PM

Only thing I can say about the end of tonight's episode; "There can be only one..."

keg in kc 01-10-2012 01:55 PM

I quit watching right after the boxing episode, which I didn't like at all. But I kept recording them, and finally decided this weekend I'd give it another shot. Turns out, it's not a bad show from that point on. Not the best thing on television, but I'd say it's worth the hour/week.

Finale is sunday.

keg in kc 01-16-2012 12:13 PM

Underwhelming finale, I thought. Which sort or describes the whole season in my opinion. It's not bad, but it seems like it should be more. Hopefully it'll take the next step for season 2.

Brock 01-16-2012 01:08 PM

Lost interest halfway through.

Iowanian 01-16-2012 02:46 PM

I've watched 5 episodes that I DVR'd and I like the show quite a bit.

It's got potential.

keg in kc 01-16-2012 03:07 PM

I think what kept me watching was the characters, which I found to be interesting. I think they could use some work in the script and plot department, though, although I'll be watching season 2 this fall either way.

I like having a western on TV, in any case.

keg in kc 05-21-2012 05:01 PM

Season two premiere set for August 12 at 9pm ET/PT.

Buehler445 05-22-2012 05:03 PM

Good. I enjoyed the flick.

chiefs1111 08-26-2012 09:37 PM

How is everyone enjoying season 2 so far?

Zebedee DuBois 08-27-2012 04:49 PM

To me, it seems like this show is a bunch of western caricatures thrown together in well-done costuming, well done cinematography, a lot of posturing, and very little storyline.

keg in kc 08-28-2012 01:47 PM

I think it's entertaining for what it is. Sort of good popcorny, light-on-the-thinking western fun. Sort of Deadwood really, really, really Light.

Los Pollos Hermanos 10-01-2012 07:28 PM

I think season 2 has been pretty good. Doesn't seem to get much attention though.

Baby Lee 10-01-2012 07:54 PM

Weirdest thing for me is that Anson Mount, looks like a scruffy Anson Williams.

http://img.poptower.com/pic-71447/anson-mount.jpg?d=600

http://www.nndb.com/people/012/00002...son1-sized.jpg

Buehler445 10-07-2012 10:32 PM

Good finale. Some pretty tough parts to watch in it.

Oh. And mother**** the swede.

Los Pollos Hermanos 10-08-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 8990725)
Good finale. Some pretty tough parts to watch in it.

Oh. And mother**** the swede.

Yeah, I thought the finale was good.

Spoiler!

keg in kc 10-08-2012 01:40 PM

Really good finale. It felt like a series finale (which it might be).

Buehler445 10-08-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8992418)
Really good finale. It felt like a series finale (which it might be).

I hope it isn't. It's a good show.

Buehler445 10-08-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Los Pollos Hermanos (Post 8991722)
Yeah, I thought the finale was good.

Spoiler!

Heh. I had hoped they wouldn't also, but I think it made the finale better.

keg in kc 08-10-2013 04:33 PM

Back tonight, for folks that don't know.

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chiefs1111 08-10-2013 04:46 PM

Can't wait.

Buehler445 08-22-2013 12:27 PM

I'm really liking the new season. It's becoming one of my favorites.

keg in kc 08-22-2013 01:20 PM

Yeah, it's been good so far.

keg in kc 10-05-2013 10:11 PM

Haven't heard any word of renewal yet, but this sounds optimistic: http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/...ht-ratings-amc

Watching the finale now, think this has been maybe the best season yet.

chiefs1111 10-05-2013 11:09 PM

Yup loved this season. Hope it comes back for season four.

Buehler445 10-06-2013 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10050281)
Haven't heard any word of renewal yet, but this sounds optimistic: http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/...ht-ratings-amc

Watching the finale now, think this has been maybe the best season yet.

Good. Hopefully they renew it. This is one of my favorites right now.

J Diddy 10-06-2013 08:21 AM

I loved the new season. Hated the finale. Hope it doesn't end like this.

stlchiefs 10-06-2013 09:19 AM

Been watching this since it came out. I'm a big fan. With Breaking Bad gone hopefully they keep this going. This and SOA are my favorites right now.

Kraus 10-06-2013 10:12 AM

I love this show, but the finale was underwhelming. Has it not been renewed for season 4 yet? It'd be a shame for this show to be shutdown.

keg in kc 12-07-2013 11:29 AM

Missed the news a month or so ago, but it has been renewed for season 4 next summer, and they upped the order to 13 episodes (from 10 the first 3 seasons).

mikeyis4dcats. 12-07-2013 07:38 PM

just watched season 3 last week. A bear? WTF.

And the mormon daughter is hot as hell.

Buehler445 12-07-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10254072)
Missed the news a month or so ago, but it has been renewed for season 4 next summer, and they upped the order to 13 episodes (from 10 the first 3 seasons).

That's good news. I'm a fan of the show.

Not sure where they will go after the last episode, but all the seasons have been good IMO.

keg in kc 08-02-2014 10:12 PM

Totally forgot this started tonight. There's a 2am showing for anybody who missed the plays earlier tonight. It also replays at 8 am.

HemiEd 05-12-2020 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 8990725)
Good finale. Some pretty tough parts to watch in it.

Oh. And mother**** the swede.

Ah humm he is NORWEGIAN!!! :D


I keep hoping he gets killed every episode, he is easy to hate .


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