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T-Town 11-29-2012 08:22 PM

Monte Kiffin resigns from USC
 
According to @USC_Athletics:

Quote:

USC assistant football coach Monte Kiffin has resigned effective after the bowl game to pursue opportunities in the NFL.
https://twitter.com/USC_Athletics/st...33782776115201

BossChief 11-29-2012 08:23 PM

Gruden calling?

something cooler 11-29-2012 08:24 PM

Yeah, its gotta be a chucky comeback.

keg in kc 11-29-2012 08:24 PM

Even he got tired of Lane.

73 years old next year and looking to get back into the NFL?

T-Town 11-29-2012 08:25 PM

Hope not, I need Gruden at Tennessee. A man can dream...

KC Tattoo 11-29-2012 08:25 PM

Not sure if want
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Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 08:26 PM

If we hired Gruden and he got Kiffin, doesn't that mean goodbye to the 3-4?

Mr_Tomahawk 11-29-2012 08:26 PM

Gonna be awkward at xmas...

Nightfyre 11-29-2012 08:26 PM

Do not want. It doesn't make sense here anyway. This defense would be a bitch to convert to a tampa two.

DaKCMan AP 11-29-2012 08:26 PM

His brat offspring should go too.

Sorter 11-29-2012 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9162908)
Gonna be awkward at xmas...

This

Sorter 11-29-2012 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162906)
If we hired Gruden and he got Kiffin, doesn't that mean goodbye to the 3-4?

It does indeed

KC Tattoo 11-29-2012 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9162900)
Even he got tired of Lane.

73 years old next year and looking to get back into the NFL?

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BossChief 11-29-2012 08:28 PM

I wouldn't be a fan of that combo coming here.

BWillie 11-29-2012 08:29 PM

HAHAHAHHAH

That is all USC fans.

That will do. That will do.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9162918)
I wouldn't be a fan of that combo coming here.

And yet you're a fan of Cowher?

Give me a break.

Gruden > Cowher.

notorious 11-29-2012 08:31 PM

:Lin:

BossChief 11-29-2012 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162906)
If we hired Gruden and he got Kiffin, doesn't that mean goodbye to the 3-4?

Yup. Back to the Tampa two.

LDE Hali
DT Dorsey (re-signed)
DT Poe (3tech)
RDE Houston

LOLB vacant
MLB DJ
ROLB vacant

LCB Flowers
SS Berry
FS vacant
RCB vacant

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 08:33 PM

I really don't give a **** if we switch schemes to be honest.

It's not like we have some beastly 3-4 system installed with all this awesome chemistry.

xztop12 11-29-2012 08:33 PM

I dont get why guys like this are still around. it's like he's keeping some coaching secret from all the other coaches that have worked under him

Sorter 11-29-2012 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162925)
And yet you're a fan of Cowher?

Give me a break.

Gruden > Cowher.

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Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9162929)
Yup. Back to the Tampa two.

LDE Hali
DT Dorsey (re-signed)
DT Poe (3tech)
RDE Houston

LOLB vacant
MLB DJ
ROLB vacant

LCB Flowers
SS Berry
FS vacant
RCB vacant

Uhhhh sorry but we'd be fine with Lewis playing FS in a Cover 2.

We need 2 badass DL to make the 3-4 work anyway so I'm fine with switching to the Tampa 2 and finding 2 OLB instead. Probably easier to find to be honest.

Nightfyre 11-29-2012 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162932)
I really don't give a **** if we switch schemes to be honest.

It's not like we have some beastly 3-4 system installed with all this awesome chemistry.

Hali and his huge ass contract become useless in a 4-3. Houston plays well as a linebacker, but who knows how he'll do with his hand in the dirt. The one-gap 3-4 fits our personnel a lot better.

BossChief 11-29-2012 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162925)
And yet you're a fan of Cowher?

Give me a break.

Gruden > Cowher.

Hahaha no.

Cowher would make this defense borderline elite overnight with the pieces we have and the offense would be respectable with Geno Smith and these pieces.

Gruden would make the offense better, but would be turning over half the defense.

Again.

O.city 11-29-2012 08:36 PM

I'm still a fan of staying with the 34, but not the prehistoric version we seem to run.


Romeo's version is well suited to pair with an offense that puts up points. It slows offenses down, but doesn't necessarily stop them until red zone time it seems then holds for field goals.

It's a great defense to pair with a Tom Brady offense.

Sorter 11-29-2012 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162939)
Uhhhh sorry but we'd be fine with Lewis playing FS in a Cover 2.

We need 2 badass DL to make the 3-4 work anyway so I'm fine with switching to the Tampa 2 and finding 2 OLB instead. Probably easier to find to be honest.

Really just one solid 3-tech if Poe can be good at NT.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9162940)
Hali and his huge ass contract become useless in a 4-3. Houston plays well as a linebacker, but who knows how he'll do with his hand in the dirt. The one-gap 3-4 fits our personnel a lot better.

Bullshit. We have no defensive ends for a one-gap 3-4.

Houston would be fine, he played DE at Georgia. And Hali is fine at DE, ignore 2008.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9162944)
Really just one solid 3-tech if Poe can be good at NT.

No, we need two starting defensive ends for a 1-gap 3-4.

We have none.

Sorter 11-29-2012 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9162944)
Really just one solid 3-tech if Poe can be good at NT.

Provided we switch to teh 1-gap

O.city 11-29-2012 08:37 PM

I think Poe would be a pretty good fit in an attacking 1 gap scheme, with his strength.

Sheldon Richardson wouldn't be a bad pick in this draft.

Sorter 11-29-2012 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162946)
No, we need two starting defensive ends.

We have none.

In a 1-gap, there is typically 1-de playing the 5/4 -tech. While I'd like to see it upgraded, we could find a stop gap

O.city 11-29-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162945)
Bullshit. We have no defensive ends for a one-gap 3-4.

Houston would be fine, he played DE at Georgia. And Hali is fine at DE, ignore 2008.

He played OLB at Georgia, IIRC.

BossChief 11-29-2012 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162932)
I really don't give a **** if we switch schemes to be honest.

It's not like we have some beastly 3-4 system installed with all this awesome chemistry.

How basses has our defense been when they set Hali and Houston loose in the second half of 2011?

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9162941)
Gruden would make the offense better.

That's why he's better than Cowher. Period.

At least Gruden had success with two teams. You know he's gonna come here and make us respectable at least.

Cowher? How do you know he can recapture what he did in Pitt? You don't. You also don't know if he's truly committed to a pass-first offense.

**** Bill Cowher.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9162954)
He played OLB at Georgia, IIRC.

And he played DE there.

BossChief 11-29-2012 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162946)
No, we need two starting defensive ends for a 1-gap 3-4.

We have none.

You don't know that.

O.city 11-29-2012 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162959)
And he played DE there.

And which did he excel at?

LiveSteam 11-29-2012 08:43 PM

My mom kissed his mom once.
True story.
My mom sat next oldlady Kiffin at the 1971 Game of the century in Oklahoma. Last offensive play of the game for OU was a interception in the endzone that sealed the game for NU. My mom leaned over & kissed Monte's mom on the cheek & said give that to Monte for me.

BossChief 11-29-2012 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162958)
That's why he's better than Cowher. Period.

At least Gruden had success with two teams. You know he's gonna come here and make us respectable at least.

Cowher? How do you know he can recapture what he did in Pitt? You don't. You also don't know if he's truly committed to a pass-first offense.

**** Bill Cowher.

What the **** are you talking about? Cowher was successful with many totally different teams that he coached for Pittsburgh...he just did it in the same town.

How many players were on his first superbowl team that were still there for his last one?

Sorter 11-29-2012 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162958)
That's why he's better than Cowher. Period.

At least Gruden had success with two teams. You know he's gonna come here and make us respectable at least.

Cowher? How do you know he can recapture what he did in Pitt? You don't. You also don't know if he's truly committed to a pass-first offense.

**** Bill Cowher.

Griese, Gradkowski, Simms, McCown, Jeff Garcia, and Brad JOhnson were the QBs Gruden had start for his teams.


WTF makes you think he's capable of running a quality offense or will draft a real QB? Funny that the Bucs finally did that when he got fired LMAO

BossChief 11-29-2012 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9162963)
And which did he excel at?

Houston would be just fine at RDE...someone posted his sack numbers that came from standing up and in a 3 point stance and he had more in a 3pt.

SAUTO 11-29-2012 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9162981)
Griese, Gradkowski, Simms, McCown, Jeff Garcia, and Brad JOhnson were the QBs Gruden had start for his teams.


WTF makes you think he's capable of running a quality offense or will draft a real QB? Funny that the Bucs finally did that when he got fired LMAO

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BossChief 11-29-2012 08:49 PM

If Gruden were to draft a qb, he would take Barkley. He is a WCO guy.

chiefzilla1501 11-29-2012 08:54 PM

I wonder if kiffin would run the under. It's essentially what Gus Bradley runs in Seattle, and Bradley is a kiffin disciple.

If they run the under, that's an interesting scheme and kc almost has the personnel to run it.

Sorter 11-29-2012 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9163034)
I wonder if kiffin would run the under. It's essentially what Gus Bradley runs in Seattle, and Bradley is a kiffin disciple.

If they run the under, that's an interesting scheme and kc almost has the personnel to run it.

IIRC, Lane is more offensive based, an Monte focused on D.

chiefzilla1501 11-29-2012 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9163038)
IIRC, Lane is more offensive based, an Monte focused on D.

Looking back, no idea why I answered the question since I'd want neither of the kiffins in KC.

DaneMcCloud 11-29-2012 08:59 PM

He was forced out.

Don't believe anything else.

Sorter 11-29-2012 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9163050)
Looking back, no idea why I answered the question since I'd want neither of the kiffins in KC.

LMAOLMAOLMAO

O.city 11-29-2012 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9163052)
He was forced out.

Don't believe anything else.

I tend to believe more this.


The USC defense was atrocious this year, like WVU bad.

BossChief 11-29-2012 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9163052)
He was forced out.

Don't believe anything else.

Then Lane will be fired?

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9162962)
You don't know that.

Neither do you.

Smart money is on WE DON'T because they are all shitty so far.

Sorter 11-29-2012 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9163077)
Neither do you.

Smart money is on WE DON'T because they are all shitty so far.

If Jackson had showed up as a run defender again this year or had a manageable salary, I'd be inclined to disagree.

I really can't though. :(

BossChief 11-29-2012 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9163077)
Neither do you.

Smart money is on WE DON'T because they are all shitty so far.

We have guys with the physical tools. Poe, Bailey, Smith and ropatuti Pototujvdfdgg all would have potential to be above average 1 gap players and Poe and Bailey have massive upside in that role.

BigRedChief 11-29-2012 09:21 PM

I'd rather have Andy Reed than Gruden.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9163097)
We have guys with the physical tools. Poe, Bailey, Smith and ropatuti Pototujvdfdgg all would have potential to be above average 1 gap players and Poe and Bailey have massive upside in that role.

Bailey and Ropati ****ing suck.

They don't put pressure on the QB. Period. Do I need to cite PPF ratings? Jesus Christ, dude.

Shaun Smith is garbage off the street.

The ONLY GUY on this roster with potential in this area is Poe.

SAUTO 11-29-2012 09:23 PM

I would rather have Andy Griffith than Gruden
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Mr. Laz 11-29-2012 09:25 PM

I guess he could fire his father after all.

Chiefs=Good 11-29-2012 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162925)
And yet you're a fan of Cowher?

Give me a break.

Gruden > Cowher.

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Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 09:39 PM

Gruden would likely have two Super Bowls with two teams if it were not for Tom Brady's bullshit tuck rule.

He is the antithesis of "Martyball" Cowher and his bullshit chin mustache conservative ways.

Chiefs=Good 11-29-2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9162958)
That's why he's better than Cowher. Period.

At least Gruden had success with two teams. You know he's gonna come here and make us respectable at least.

Cowher? How do you know he can recapture what he did in Pitt? You don't. You also don't know if he's truly committed to a pass-first offense.

**** Bill Cowher.

Dude, weren't you pimping Jeff Fisher all off-season?

BossChief 11-29-2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9163109)
Bailey and Ropati ****ing suck.

They don't put pressure on the QB. Period. Do I need to cite PPF ratings? Jesus Christ, dude.

Shaun Smith is garbage off the street.

The ONLY GUY on this roster with potential in this area is Poe.

Don't be obtuse. Citing PFF ratings of defensive linemen in their first two years is pointless.

Smith and Pitituvdfafgc have both shown the ability to push the pocket, too.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9163183)
Don't be obtuse. Citing PFF ratings of defensive linemen in their first two years is pointless.

Smith and Pitituvdfafgc have both shown the ability to push the pocket, too.

Whatever. They're two of the lowest rated pass rushers on PFF.

They have shown NOTHING, so you prognosticating them as some kind of solution is total bullshit.

You've been pimping Bailey since he was drafted and he has done absolutely jack shit in the NFL.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good (Post 9163182)
Dude, weren't you pimping Jeff Fisher all off-season?

Did you have a better solution at the time?

Idiots on here wanted Romeo, and tried to tell me he was a better coach. ROFL

Brock 11-29-2012 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good (Post 9163182)
Dude, weren't you pimping Jeff Fisher all off-season?

Yeah, Clay was pulling for Mr. 8-8 a couple of years ago.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 09:52 PM

Jeff Fisher wasn't NEARLY as conservative as The Chin was in Pittsburgh.

He had a top 10 passing offense several times and actually hired an OC because he wanted to throw the ball down the field more.

Remember HE didn't want Vince Young. The owner did.

O.city 11-29-2012 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9163203)
Jeff Fisher wasn't NEARLY as conservative as The Chin was in Pittsburgh.

He had a top 10 passing offense several times and actually hired an OC because he wanted to throw the ball down the field more.

Remember HE didn't want Vince Young. The owner did.

And yet Vince was one of the top rated downfield passers at the time

Chiefs=Good 11-29-2012 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9163195)
Did you have a better solution at the time?

Idiots on here wanted Romeo, and tried to tell me he was a better coach. ROFL

Id argue that wed be in a much worse position long term had we hired Fisher. And im not quite sure how you can hate on Cohwer yet pimp Fisher..

DaneMcCloud 11-29-2012 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9163057)
Then Lane will be fired?

That's the word on the "street". I knew for sure that Monte was going to be fired because if Lane hadn't let him go, he was certainly a goner.

Pat Haden has given him the dreaded "Vote of Confidence" but the Boosters want Lane fired, regardless.

They feel like they hired the wrong guy in Kiffen and should have hired Sarkisian.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good (Post 9163207)
Id argue that wed be in a much worse position long term had we hired Fisher. And im not quite sure how you can hate on Cohwer yet pimp Fisher..

I pimped Fisher because he was the best coach available last offseason.

I'm not gonna complain if Cowher is hired but Gruden is a better option. We need an offensive coach, not a conservaderp.

Mother****erJones 11-29-2012 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9162977)
What the **** are you talking about? Cowher was successful with many totally different teams that he coached for Pittsburgh...he just did it in the same town.

How many players were on his first superbowl team that were still there for his last one?

Cowher had pass first teams in pittsburgh too! He just just wasnt able to win playoff games with that. When they played run control offense with a Franchise QB they won the super bowl

Chiefs=Good 11-29-2012 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9163198)
Yeah, Clay was pulling for Mr. 8-8 a couple of years ago.

lol.

I personally am thankful for Romeo. Hes allowing us to possibly do what no chiefs team in history has done before: Draft a QB 1st overall

BossChief 11-29-2012 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9163192)
Whatever. They're two of the lowest rated pass rushers on PFF.

They have shown NOTHING, so you prognosticating them as some kind of solution is total bullshit.

You've been pimping Bailey since he was drafted and he has done absolutely jack shit in the NFL.

This is his second year and he has been misused, IMO. Both of those factors work against him. He is a 290 pound monster with massive strength and really good mobility. That's EXACTLY what you look for in a DE for a 3-4 zone blitzing defense.

Re-sign Dorsey for a year and throw him in the middle in the Casey Hampton role and I think that 3 man DL could be pretty good.

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9163224)
This is his second year and he has been misused, IMO. Both of those factors work against him. He is a 290 pound monster with massive strength and really good mobility. That's EXACTLY what you look for in a DE for a 3-4 zone blitzing defense.
d.

He has shit mobility. He's frequently matched up one on one with linemen and shows zero pass rush ability.

Come on.

Chiefs=Good 11-29-2012 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9163216)
I pimped Fisher because he was the best coach available last offseason.

I'm not gonna complain if Cowher is hired but Gruden is a better option. We need an offensive coach, not a conservaderp.

Id prefer the coach that likely wants a 1st round QB, not the guy who loves vet QBs.

Mother****erJones 11-29-2012 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9163155)
Gruden would likely have two Super Bowls with two teams if it were not for Tom Brady's bullshit tuck rule.

He is the antithesis of "Martyball" Cowher and his bullshit chin mustache conservative ways.

LMAO

BossChief 11-29-2012 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9163216)
I pimped Fisher because he was the best coach available last offseason.

I'm not gonna complain if Cowher is hired but Gruden is a better option. We need an offensive coach, not a conservaderp.

Dude, Chuckys offense is VERY similar to what we run now. Its the WCO...dump offs and short passes are the bread and butter.

Why do you think he got by with shitty QBs the whole time?

If we bring in Chucky, we are gonna do one of two things:

1) Draft Barkley at first overall
2) Draft a defensive player first overall and a QB in the second or third.

The guy passed on Aaron Rodgers for Cadillac Williams in 2005.

Think about that for a second.

With Cohwer, at least we have a shot at taking Geno.

Mother****erJones 11-29-2012 10:03 PM

I dont care if we get Cowher or Gruden really. Just one of them. We only have 1 true good Dlineman. Poe. He's shown flashes and done impactful things. He's shown he can put pressure on the QB too

Hammock Parties 11-29-2012 10:03 PM

This was the pre-draft report on Bailey. Big shock that he sucks at rushing the passer.

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Very slow reaction on the snap – Should diversify away from the bull rush at times
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Weaknesses:
Trouble getting off blockers
Limited pass-rushing moves
Average snap reaction
Needs to improve technique
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Pass Rushing

Though he lined up primarily at defensive end last season, Bailey lacks the getup off the snap and flexibility to threaten the edge as a pass rusher. He’s more effective using his bullrush, with which he generates a strong initial jolt and manages to walk back offensive linemen to the quarterback
He's just another example of the "physical specimen" type that the Patriot Way overdrafts. He got picked for the same reason we took slapdicks like Baldwin and Jackson. Pioli falls in love with big beasts who suck at playing.

Mother****erJones 11-29-2012 10:04 PM

Cowher knows he needs a franchise QB. Thats why he had issues with the Steeler front office. He wanted one and got Ben

BossChief 11-29-2012 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9163226)
He has shit mobility. He's frequently matched up one on one with linemen and shows zero pass rush ability.

Come on.

FFS you have no clue what his responsibility is on any given play and most of the time, his job is to hold the line, not push it.

Gilberry could get to the QB and what did that get him?

Free agency.


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