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DaWolf 09-23-2009 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6102612)
As they were saying on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday, Dimitroff is the only success to have come out of NE.

And the reason they gave for it is that he's his own man. Notice what he did when he got to Atlanta:

No talk about the Patriot Way.

Went against almost every core belief of the Patriots organization:

-Spent high draft pick on franchise QB

-Spent big money in FA at the RB position, among others.

-Traded a high draft pick for a guy that plays a complementary position, who only wants to play another year or two.


Just a few examples.

They said he's gone against the grain ever since he was an area scout for the Pats. It's not surprising to see the guy succeed, where everyone else that has left NE has failed.

Did you even read the article? All he did was talk about the way they did it with the Patriots and how he brought that to Atlanta.

Also to say he went against the "core beliefs of the Patriots organization" is laughable. They've acquired guys who love football and are about winning. Specific to your points:

1) Who ever said it's against their philosophy to draft a QB high? The Pats already had Drew Bledsoe and then Brady emerged, so when was there ever a need to draft a QB high? Atlanta meanwhile was a totally different animal, you just had your franchise QB going to jail and fan apathy was abound. Matt Ryan was the perfect "Patriots type" player, a guy who was all about football and all about improving. And Arthur Blank was pushing for the QB to be picked because they needed a new face to the franchise. So that's where they went.

2) The Pats have never been shy about free agency. They have been smart about it. And you could say that about Atlanta too. They didn't overpay, they went out and got the right guys for that team.

3) Traded for Randy Moss and Wes Welker. So where's the difference? If you have an opportunity to get a few playmakers who can make the difference on your team, you get them, and both organizations did.

This whole thing about Dimitrioff abandoning anything that had to do with the Patriots is just a fallacy. Just because Mike Smith isn't a Bellichick clone doesn't mean he didn't implement the same values in the organization, which as the article points out, he did (and mentioned the Patriots influence several times throughout it)...

Demonpenz 09-23-2009 01:06 PM

they got to put a moat around castle

Psyko Tek 09-23-2009 06:47 PM

I think it maybe a scare tactic
just to let cassell know he isn't the chosen one

milkman 09-23-2009 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6102683)
Did you even read the article? All he did was talk about the way they did it with the Patriots and how he brought that to Atlanta.

Also to say he went against the "core beliefs of the Patriots organization" is laughable. They've acquired guys who love football and are about winning. Specific to your points:

1) Who ever said it's against their philosophy to draft a QB high? The Pats already had Drew Bledsoe and then Brady emerged, so when was there ever a need to draft a QB high? Atlanta meanwhile was a totally different animal, you just had your franchise QB going to jail and fan apathy was abound. Matt Ryan was the perfect "Patriots type" player, a guy who was all about football and all about improving. And Arthur Blank was pushing for the QB to be picked because they needed a new face to the franchise. So that's where they went.

2) The Pats have never been shy about free agency. They have been smart about it. And you could say that about Atlanta too. They didn't overpay, they went out and got the right guys for that team.

3) Traded for Randy Moss and Wes Welker. So where's the difference? If you have an opportunity to get a few playmakers who can make the difference on your team, you get them, and both organizations did.

This whole thing about Dimitrioff abandoning anything that had to do with the Patriots is just a fallacy. Just because Mike Smith isn't a Bellichick clone doesn't mean he didn't implement the same values in the organization, which as the article points out, he did (and mentioned the Patriots influence several times throughout it)...

Even if Dimitroff hadn't talked about and followed the Patriot way, for Scott Pioli, it's different, since he was one of the two people that created the Patriot way.

Mecca 09-23-2009 07:25 PM

Dimitroff did everything completely differently than all of the other guys have...

He didn't shoehorn his team into a 3-4, he used his first 2 picks on a QB and a LT, if you look at how he did things compared to the rest of the Patriot disciples it's night and day.

Just look at the coach he hired.

SAUTO 09-23-2009 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6103592)
Even if Dimitroff hadn't talked about and followed the Patriot way, for Scott Pioli, it's different, since he was one of the two people that created the Patriot way.

to read this place pioli had NOTHING to do with it, he just signed nfl free agents.

Hammock Parties 09-23-2009 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6102319)
Giving up on Brodie Croyle would be absolutely ridiculous at this point in time, especially if he can finally beat the injury bug and stay healthy.

Dane, you are full of shit.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5279697)
It would be a terrible decision to bring him back.

He CANNOT stay healthy. The backup QB MUST be durable.

Croyle's not and never has been.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5279699)
Three ACL tears isn't bad luck.

His body cannot endure the rigors of professional football.

It's time for he and the Chiefs to move on.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5632095)
Fully and completely disagree.

The guy has torn both ACL's, had shoulder injuries and just can't stay healthy. Adding more weight and muscle to his frame would likely cause further issues with his knees.

I can't imagine that he'll be on the Chiefs roster in September, let alone be a good backup anywhere.

His body won't allow it.

Also, this is good:

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5229803)
If you can't see that Thigpen's a high quality QB, then you're a ****ing idiot.


SAUTO 09-23-2009 07:32 PM

is that last one actually what you said dane? wow lol

Hammock Parties 09-23-2009 07:39 PM

Dane has always had good strong man love for Thiggy.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5261084)
No ****ing way.

The Chiefs have Thigpen and Gray as 1 and 2 next year. They should draft a 5th-7th developmental guy. Day one (first or second round) is a COMPLETE waste of a pick, especially with pressing needs at RG, RT, C, DE & LB.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5242152)
Thigpen threw two INT's that were made by an incredibly athletic CB. It wasn't like they were lob passes to a waiting CB.

The fumble was just an example of a young guy pressing. He'll learn from both mistakes.


Bowser 09-23-2009 07:39 PM

This is an impressive amount of hand wringing over a guy that has had one ****ing start with a new team.

milkman 09-23-2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6103640)
Dane has always had good strong man love for Thigpen.

Gotta admire a man with his conviction.

But, boy, when he flips, he flops.

milkman 09-23-2009 07:45 PM

The fact is, we all have said some things that we believed at times only to figure out eventually that we were wrong.

Deberg_1990 09-23-2009 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6103614)
Dane, you are full of shit.







Also, this is good:

Link Please.

Hammock Parties 09-23-2009 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6103658)
Link Please.

Click the little red buttons next to Dane's name in the posts I quoted.

Brock 09-23-2009 07:46 PM

The guy who started the Hermines is the last guy who should go dumpster diving.


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